Who do you think are the best political leaders today?

[Julie4]

[RavVid]

It is a very poor field in my view.

To qualify my statement, I see our time as one in which the autocrats, Putin and Xi, are seeking to regress the world to the age of empires. The key strategy, to me, appears to me to be a warmish war rather than a cold war or a WW2 style hot war in which countries are invaded and subjugated.

More a series of bite and holds which are not entirely existential to major Western military powers whose populations may be less than enthusiastic in opposing. For example Putin's taken overs in eastern Ukraine & Crimea and Xi's progressive attempts to claim the South China Sea despite UNCLOS ruling against their claims.

That is my starting point.

Political leadership is more transnational now. Americans allegedly joked Churchill was the best president they ever had during WW2. The US President was more preeminent in the past (post WW2 as the leader of the free world). What what Macron says and Sunak says and Scholz says has more significance and influence now than it did.

Great leaders identify core issues and unite their populace behind them. I don't see any of that. Boris Johnson came closest to it but sadly could not resist a good party. That the UK has broken some barriers in what weapon classes Ukraine gets is germane to my point of transnational political influence.

[Julie4]

I find mohammed ben zayed al nahyane very interesting.

[RavVid]

He has not crossed my radar. I will look him up. If you find him interesting the he is someone to check out.

[Kaneki05]

No one. Though will say Putin did something impactful I guess. You don't really see other country leaders just start a fresh new war. And yeah you could argue they always was I suppose but eh feels more of a deal than Israel and Palestine which are always at it.

[Friendlybro79]

You think Putin is a good to be best political leader?

[Kaneki05]

He's so far managed to stay president for +10 years and he before that served his country in many ways. And then managed to cause a war which Nato is scared to get involved in.
He might be the bad guy but one would have to be dumb to say he don't get things done and don't know how to lead. Unlike other leaders who just talk about doing things and then pretend to be doing something until their term is up.

[Friendlybro79]

Wow. None of this makes him great. He's an evil authoritarian murderer. You're idea of what's great is f@cked up. He's not getting anything positive done. Not one thing. Also his story isn't over yet.

[Kaneki05]

@Friendlybro79 So your an idiot then. Don't ever do a history test because you'll say all the leaders who made their claim on the world were bad at leading, when no the whole point of why they were so successful was due to been good leaders whether they were bad morally or not.

In your head Genghis Khan must be the worst leader in the world, when in reality he is one of the most successful military commanders in world history. But sure man he can't lead, he bad no one cares right? He had zero impact on the world and did nothing right such a bad leader.
British Empire took over almost everything but guess the leaders leading all that to happen must be bad at leading right? Because bad leaders have the smartness and fortitude to take over countries and lead right?

[Friendlybro79]

What I'm saying is your definition of what is great is warped. It isn't great. Is it effective to maintain a position of power? yes... men like that aren't great though. Use your brain (that's the stump 4 inches above your neck) and realize greatness isn't about using your ability to lead people to evil. The best serial killer isn't great.

We're defining the word great differently. I understand what you're saying and I am saying that still doesn't make them great. If Putin nukes everyone and ends humanity... no one will be saying THIS IS GREATNESS!

[Kaneki05]

@Friendlybro79 By definition the most successful is the most great. It would be absurd to say little timmy who couldn't be successful at leading in his life is the most great, no matter if his views are nice.
And if you were to say who's the greatest serial killer then I also have the answer to that so yes... there is such a thing as the greatest. Great is not defined by morality. I could be the greatest robber alive don't mean I am nice.
The greatest artist in the world could be a crazy dude, still the greatest artist though.

Been great at something due to have the skill to do so does not have anything to do with the personality of said person. I could hate a certain actor for my own views but if they are a great actor the fact is they are no matter if I dislike them or not.

So go learn how to separate personal views vs objective facts. Because I can.

[Friendlybro79]

You really can't tell that sometimes words have more than one meaning and that I am disagreeing philosophically and morally. That isn't that you are wrong literally. For example I understand that you could be the greatest at being the worst human being. That's all I'm saying.. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

[Friendlybro79]

If you want to disagree on how to define greatness or best you're we can't ignore the best totalitarian or authoritarian vs democracy.

Putin hasn't achieved greatness he has just achieved longevity. He isn't even winning in Ukraine. His time will come

[Kaneki05]

@Friendlybro79 Words can have more than one meaning, but it's logic to answer in a literal way unless context say's otherwise but I can't find any context here that points to best meant best morally.
So Putin it is lol.

[Kaneki05]

@Friendlybro79 His time will come can be said about anyone. All the greatest ones have fallen. Everyone has their time so that don't hold much weight to in terms to greatness.

[Friendlybro79]

No point in arguing. We're having half glass full half glass empty argument. There is no context to what the op meant by best. Usually best isn't associated with hate, evil, dictatorship. You're saying the best the world has is Putin lol. The question was who's best technically. You're saying who's the best regardless of how evil and awful. Unfortunately there aren't great politicians today period. But if Hitler was still alive you'd say he's the best. Hitler is the best. Lol just remember you're that guy pretending to be logical.

[Kaneki05]

@Friendlybro79 Hitler was the best leader though? He was a highly successful dictator, who managed to cause a massive war in which he almost won. The question is best political leader and if you ask me Hitler is for sure one of them, he manged to politic himself so well that he literally went to jail got out and pretended like that never happened and became a leader of a country.

Logic dictates Hitler was for sure a successful and one of the best leaders we've seen. To say he was one hell of insane evil mastermind is also correct but keyword here is mastermind.
You can't be a mastermind by been a dumb guy. So yeah he was the best.

All very logical, don't see how your not understanding this or if you are I don't see why you try to argue with me in the first place.

[Friendlybro79]

Ok try this. Go out and do a social experiment and tell people Hitler is the best and get back to me lol. Just record it please. You're pre wired to see best and great as who can reek the most havoc and evil. That means great and best to you. You've established your logic. Have a good night

[Kaneki05]

@Friendlybro79 I will happily go out and tell people Hitler was one of the best leaders for all the reasons I just mentioned.
Just like how I told you. Not my fault if you don't get it how warlords are great leaders.

[Friendlybro79]

@Kaneki05 I do get your logic you're not getting that. I am only disagreeing that they are not good people. Like I've said more than once. They can be great at being terrible humans but that's not what a good leader is. A good or best leader is not terrible. They're just good at being the worst humanity can be.

Stop being stubborn. Out of curiosity do you think a leader can be great and not be evil? Have their been leaders that are the opposite of Putin and Hitler that you would say are great?

I am sad for you that the greatest of leaders means for your brain to tell you that logic states that the leaders that are dictators and war driven are the actions that you need to be best or great.

Out of curiosity Ghandi vs Hitler who is the better leader and why?

[Friendlybro79]

There*

[Kaneki05]

@Friendlybro79 Never once claimed Putin was a good person though so kinda just means your arguing with me for no reason lol.
Hmm best leaders outside of evil? Not really I mean I like JFK but he didn't exactly lead very well then got killed before he could do much. The problem is you have to be shady to lead otherwise some other shady person is gonna out you. JFK was for sure got rid of because of his plan to improve economy using the gold reserves. His ideals was socialistic so they removed him.

Ghandi was also super bad person morally, in fact he was trying to promote surrendering to hitler and jews should just let themselves be killed. His ideas were purely deranged and very inconsistent. I think he was a great delusional cult leader but like that of Jim Jones it would lead to ultimate self destruction which is very different to Hitlers goals Hitler actually wanted to progress his empire.
But Ghandi want to spread a massage of peace that of course would and does fail. And he would rather die than fight. Which in a world where Hitler exists or just any other person with any sense of wanting power over others this means they would just allow a dictator to win.
So if anything Ghandi is more an enabler of evil than a solver. And an Enabler compared to a Solver which Hitler was in his own twisted way a Solver has to win.
A Solver will always be a better leader so Hitler wins.

[Friendlybro79]

Hitler didn't win so he isn't a good leader. He tried and lost. And the lack in empathy of even saying someone can be great when they commit mass genocide is pretty depressing to say the least. Even if you're saying of course Hitler wasn't a good person you're still being a jerk to say hitlers name attached to anything but scum.

You can have the last word if you need to because you're not understanding I'm having a philosophical disagreement on the terms best and great and how they're associated with. I acknowledge your predisposition to greatness and best to be awarded to most evil. We don't need to continue. But again feel free to get the last word in if you need to. I don't think we need to continue in circles. Have a good day.

[Kaneki05]

@Friendlybro79 What's more depressing is you don't understand we can learn from these leaders to do good things.
I suggest you go read art of war and start going back to history lessons because you'll find many leaders have all done bad things to progress and many have failed don't make them not great at what they did.
Your perspective is super narrow if you can't learn anything from it, and I would hate for anyone to give you a dissertation on how Hitler was so successful at leading and all you wrote was Big bad scary dude who was a prick. You know one the best things about him was? He actually promoted major leaps in health care and not smoking campaigns but as someone who's clearly never studied ya wouldn't know that right? The Nazi Party was also the one to introduce Germany’s first-ever national environment protection law.

Nothing condones what Hitler did, but you really need a better perspective and learning of history to see the bigger view of successful leaders and yes they all fall in the end I already made that point smh. The difference between Ghandi though and Hitler is Ghandi would fail much quicker and on purpose. Hitler if he had won which he almost did, it could of been a major empire for 10 to 100s of years. And could of warped the entire history of life but hey I guess that timmy who does nothing is a better leader in your view lol.

[Friendlybro79]

I lied I will respond. We can learn from everyone agreed. I can't get behind that being effective at what you do (for evil) doesn't make you best at progressing us. So he taught people not to smoke but wanted to gas an entire population out of existence. Seriously if he did win half my friends and family wouldn't be here. That's not what or who you look for to inspire actual greatness which is to move us all forward. Hitler did not want that.

Many leaders have done terrible things to progress their movements but that status quo of well that's how it works doesn't have to be for today or the future to be great. We can be better than people before us.

How well that's a different conversation. I wanted to reply again even though I said I wasn't to end my last comments for real this time and say thanks for the conversation. It's better to talk than not.

[Kaneki05]

@Friendlybro79 I mean they have to. You don't get to power without someone losing it. There is always a winner and loser. Always the perspective of no you guys were the bad ones, no you guys were!
So even if we could find someone who didn't do morally bad things which I think is impossible, we would find ones that still have people who see them as the bad guy or wasn't great so... eh.

Well no worries, and thank you too. We are on this site to debate and talk so indeed.

[wiltingrosepetal]

The only leader I liked was Mark McGowan, the dude who kept my whole state from covid. He cracked down, put laws forward, and we all respect him for it. It is his influence that kept people from dying, as well as the disease from spreading further.
Aaaaand he retired this year!
Lovely 😍

[BadApple69]

The best leaders are NOT politicians. Politicians are so easily corrupted. Politicians cost lest then the landscaper that mowes my lawn.
That's why someone like Donald Trump and Vivek Ramaswamy are good leaders... They can't be bought!

[normalice]

Honestly, Biden has exceeded my expectations not just for him but for all politicians in general.

[AviatorTom]

At Thanksgiving dinner, remember that politics and religion are topics you should avoid.

[KostasKouvalis]

If we're talking active leaders,

Nayib Bukele, Ron DeSantis, Bashar-al- Assad, Viktor Orbán, François Legault

[Starrrboy]

This might be crazy.. But I think Trump is the only credible one out there.. the world was a much better place when he was president..

[RyanEC]

I would say Victor Orban, Georgia Meloni and Norendra Modi.

[msc545]

That woman who was the Prime Minister in New Zealand

[BoopBoopBeep]

The retired ones

[exitseven]

President Trump is at the top of the list.

[Friendlybro79]

None. Zero. Nada

[Andres77]

Reagan, Thatcher, Uribe, Trump.

[greenice27]

I think Xi Jinping and Narendra Modi.

[Joker_]

hm let me think on that

[BLP11520]

No one right now

[Snakeyes7]

Not politicians that's for sure

[OldBlue]

Trump

[jjj101010]

Churchill was the best

[Al_Musafir]

Abu Ubaydah

[Jennz6]

Go Trump MAGA

[collie22]

Today?

[Daffotul]

no one

[serenalovesramen]

Me 😮‍💨

[Alex8736]

Zero

[Anonymous]

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