How can the west talk about human rights when they have violated it the most in history?

[Anonymous]

And i AM from the west

[RavVid]

There is no doubt most of history has been brutal. If we go back to tribal days homicide was at about a 50% level. For most of history it has been a matter of what you can take and hold.

Take Europe. There was a neanderthal population when modern human entered as Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG). No neanderthals now though their DNA is still there. Anatolian farmers migrated next. No WHGs though their DNA is still there. Last migration was Yamnaya like people. 100% replacement of the Y chromosomes.

Homo Erectus and Denisovian and Neanderthal were throughout Asia. None of them anymore. Homo sapien is the last hominid standing.

What you are complaining about is that homo sapien is rather brutal and used technological superiority to out compete other hominids and homo sapiens for all of history and all of the prehistory we can find.

This was not a specific Western nastiness but a global nastiness across all population groups for all time till now. It is folly to argue the west was particularly bad and everybody would holding hands and singing Kumbaya if it wasn't for the West.

The whole concept of human rights is quite new.

Yes the West has particularly taken to this concept. You will not find much in the way of human rights in Russia or China or many other countries. The West adopting human rights is a good thing.

Your thesis is mistaken in concept.

[RavVid]

Thanks for an MHO

[Lliam]

What you said is true in terms of America's claim to supporting human rights and democracy. That claim is a cynical, hypocritical lie.

There have been some real ass holes in history. The Mongol hordes, the Jewish Bolsheviks who murders upwards of 66 million Christian Russians, Japanese imperialism prior to WWII, Mao's Great Leap Forward that resulted in 45 million or so deaths.

But overall, the combined West still takes the cake when one looks at all of history: things like the Roman Empire; the Holy Roman Empire; the fate of indigenous people in the Americas; European colonial behavior in Africa, Asia and the Pacific; the slave trade; British barbarity toward Irish, Indians, aboriginal people, etc.; the two world wars; as well as wars, invasions, deadly sanctions (sieges), proxy wars, and instigation of violence by the U. S. and its NATO allies from the end of WWII until today.

[Lliam]

Thanks for the MHO. ☮️💟

[Anonymous]

There are more slaves in Africa now, than there ever was when the Democrats owned slaves in America.

[NamerOfStars]

Very simply: because your assertion is utter nonsense. Think of the sheer number of times and places where claiming the country "has violated human rights the most in history" would get you imprisoned or killed. Here, it doesn't do more than get an eye roll.

Want to assert that someone else has done it better? Well, I'm going to need to see some receipts, but I'm open to the possibility. But to assert that no one has done worse? Ever? Not China or the USSR or Nazi Germany or ISIS Iraq or the Aztec empire? Not ancient Rome or proto-Israel?

You are very clearly from the West; every other nation in history wouldn't've tolerated the level of stupidity required to claim we've never been outdone in violating human rights.

[Anonymous]

You mean like how Mao killed millions of his own people in China...

Or how Pol Pot killed millions in Cambodia

Do you mean like that?

Maybe you mean how Saddam Hussein used poison gas to kill Kurds?

Or how the Israelis have all the Palestinians living in a concentration camp... that they bomb. Daily.

Is that what you mean?

[Bricealan]

"Human Rights..."the west violated human rights for the most of History?

Human Rights... Do you know who built the Pyramids? How about the Roman Empire? Do you now who the Gladiators were?

[Lliam]

The Roman Empire was "the West".
And who do YOU think built the pyramids? (Hint, it wasn't slave labor.)

[Bricealan]

@Lliam Bullshit... it was slave labor

[Bricealan]

Lliam, The Roman Empire was "the west"... from what part of the planet?

[Lliam]

The Roman Empire covered most of Europe including part of Britain. What do you call "the west".


And if you think Egypt used slaves, you haven't seen the recent research. You're still thinking of the Hebrew mythology and the movie The Ten Commandments.

[HighValue]

"Violated it the most in human history" shows that you don't know much history.

[disgustingweebtrash]

The whole idea of human rights which you so heavily scrutinize the West for was developed by the West.

[Anonymous]

Can't really answer this question without specifc examples of human rights violations.

[KrakenAttackin]

Don't read much history, do you?

[Asker]

Depends on who wrote the history... Usually the ones who made it, the violators of human rights, the violated ones are mostly dead to tell their side of the story.