Is Israel deliberately killing civilians in Gaza?

[msc545]

Yes

No (explain)

[DaisyM23]

woww a lot of delusional people saying no - even if the lies they say that hamas are hiding under hospitals and civilian buildings somehow happen to be true, nothing would justify killing civilians - i saw something that said, if a school shooter was hiding behind kids in a school, can the police then go in and shoot around until they find the perpetrator - it's the same thing
and of course, the deliberate targeting of journalists and doctors, israel themselves have said many times that they want to kill palestinians, i don't know why people act surprised when they actually follow through and lie about it

[WindAtMyBack]

Don't know, and I'm not going to make an effort to find out. Especially since there is no way for anyone to know what's really happening.

This shit has been going on my entire life. It was big in the news back during the Vietnam War. That war ended decades ago. There have been thousand of things in the news over the years. They all come and go, including the major news stories. But there is one constant - Israel and their neighbors fighting and killing each other.

They were fighting in the Sinai. Or maybe the Gaza Strip. Or maybe the East Bank. Or maybe up north someplace.

There have been dozens of wars in my life, maybe hundreds. There have been brutal dictatorships, genocides, all kinds of war atrocities. They all came and went. Even the Irish quit killing each other - maybe. But one thing is constant through it all - Israel and their neighbors fighting and killing each other.

I quit paying attention to that long ago.

[ProbablyClueless]

I don't think it's deliberate, but they sure ain't doing much to prevent it either. I think the Israelis have largely run out of their "grace period" for that kind of behavior in the international eye by this point. From this point forward, the international community almost needs to be harsher of the IDF's behavior.

Heartbreakingly, this is what happens when you're fighting someone who has no problems using innocent people as shields.

[AngelLily]

Yes Both Isreal an Palestine are going after Civilians. Even ex Israeli soldiers have admitted they randomly killed Innocent people for the sake of doing so.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/QY3V8FC3VHshttps://www.youtube.com/embed/YVr8VKroXUo

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Yes, there is a chance anything is possible nowadays.

[Daniela1982]

You mean like the Germans who massacred tons of Jews and other races during the war. Even those found guilty were let out of prisons by the 50's. Very few were executed. Collateral damage is always something that occurs during wars. At least Israel notified the civilians to get out.

[Jersey2]

Hamas must be destroyed as much as possible in order to avoid such attacks again.

Hamas deliberately hide among civilians so that foes hesitate to attack and if they do they use the civilian deaths as a reason to criticize and have people call for a stop to it. Hamas in essence is getting those people killed.

[lightbulb27]

not nearly as much as Britain and USA when firebombed Hamburg. got a long ways to go.

I don't see how any of us would know.

I doubt it, but soldiers going through hell... may lose control.

[Joshydavid25]

No Hamas' squats in civilian homes all the time and it's not easy to tell which is the whole point.. Plus Hamas lies about the numbers of deaths as well..

[msc545]

How do you know all this?

[Joshydavid25]

www.usnews.com/.../hamas-lies-about-the-gaza-civilian-death-toll-and-the-media-bought-it

It's an old article but it shows you what Hamas has been doing for years possibly decades now.

thehill.com/.../

[msc545]

Do you believe everything you read?

[Joshydavid25]

Not in the least.. Haha..

[msc545]

So I think this is propaganda and untrue.

[Joshydavid25]

Yeah, propaganda against terrorist is untrue.. Even Egypt another country that doesn't care for Israel put up wall against Palestine because of Hamas..

[msc545]

So what does that mean?

[Joshydavid25]

Hamas' entire creed is to get rid of Jews.. Israel is the only actual democracy in the Middle East.. Plenty of Arabs and even Muslims live and thrive in Israel and even Palestinians.. So it's not that Israel hates Palestine or Palestinians, especially since Israel agreed to a peace treaty to live together, to which the Palestinians denied it.. So it seems like they don't care about freedom or peace apparently.

[msc545]

No, I'm sorry. You're just repeating propaganda. Israel wants the land in Gaza, despite the fact that it isn't their land.

[msc545]

Hamas doesn't want the Israelis to take the land.

[Joshydavid25]

If Israel wanted the land, they could have taken it.. It's military outshines Hamas in every facet.. They wouldn't have put a Wall up between them and the Gaza Strip..

[msc545]

They clearly want it now.

[Joshydavid25]

Now that Hamas is laying brutal attacks down on a lot of the Israeli people and anybody who visits, of course they wanna take them down.. They are probably sick of them acting like children.. Not say that Israel is completely innocent, but I think in this situation there's definitely more black & white..

[msc545]

Dropping military explosives on civilians from planes is genocide.

[Joshydavid25]

It's War.. They warn them before they do it usually.. So there would be less casualties.. But hamas got those civilians on a strangle hold.. Like I mentioned Hamas mixes in with the civilians and goats Israel to attack.. Since they know they are really not a match for Israel's army, they over blow the civilian deaths, probably to get more sympathy, to get more aid to build their army..

[exitseven]

No but they are collateral damage and are being used as human shields. The Israelis are trying to exterminate Hams and it is hard to tell them apart from civilians.

[abc3643]

Google collateral damage.

Besides, since when is killing civilians off-limits in war?

I don't think Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Dresden and Tokyo were just inhabited by enemy soldiers...

[msc545]

It is only off-limits when others do it. The US has been doing it with impunity for years.

[JacobJordan]

The law of celestials states that when 2 objects collide there is always damage of a collateral nature

[Drewtate]

No. They are targeting hamas and their missile bases.

[Pohjolan]

Nah that would be a waste of ordnance. Those living in a building with less than optimal structural integrity and a Hamas target in the basement are fucked though.

[Dargil]

Are "Palestinians" deliberately killing civilians in and outside Gaza?

[goaded]

At the very least they deliberately don't care if they do.

[Anonymous]

The Palestinians don't care about innocent civilians.

[Opinion Owner]

Then what’s the meaning of your question?

[Anonymous]

We can but hope someone is culling the overpopulation of terrorist sympathizers

[FenixG45]

No, Hamas is intentionally embedded amongst Gazan civilians.

[msc545]

Evidence?

[FenixG45]

Trusted news sources

[msc545]

I what and what trusted news sources would those be?

[FenixG45]

Here's one:

www.theguardian.com/.../human-shield-israel-claim-hamas-command-centre-under-hospital-palestinian-civilian-gaza-city

[msc545]

That is an assertion, not news or fact.

[FenixG45]

It's one of many

[msc545]

So would it boils down to is This is just your opinion and there is no real evidence supporting it, right?

[FenixG45]

Nope. Do your own research.

[msc545]

you said it, you support it. if you can.

[FenixG45]

I don't need to prove anything. Do your own homework. It will become self-evident.

[msc545]

You asserted it, you support it or STFU.

[Anonymous]

Yes at this point

[ThrillSeeker01]

Could be.

[Imsmurter1]

I don't know