Why are jews so rich and powerful and what do you think of them?

[Anonymous]

They are so good

They are evil

[Soteris]

Putting aside the whole banking thing back in history which I still think is stupid for many reasons, if I just had to boil it down then they probably just had better community support. Being persecuted so regularly strengthens the bonds within the group itself which can have some very beneficial results.

I hope its not a major surprise that cooperation achieves greater results than individualism but lets just think of some real world examples. Lets say, you are born a Jew but you are lower class. You live within your own community where everyone knows everyone and such. Lets say you grow up and are now looking for a job, while other young adults join what is basically the equivalent of burger flippers to start climbing the ladder of success, you instead have other opportunities open to you.

More specifically, maybe you are related to someone who knows someone who knows someone that could employ you at a much better job than you would otherwise have access to thanks to your family and personal connections. This does not just happen in looking for jobs however, it applies to every problem you might have in life. Looking for a property? Someone in your community can probably help you achieve better results. Someone wronged you? Someone in your community probably has experience in how to respond or perhaps connections to employ etc..

Keep that going for generation upon generation where the individuals inside the community becomes more successful than average people through internal cooperation and as a group you will become very rich and powerful. If anything, this should be used as evidence for the benefits to social welfare which serves a similar role as the community support Jews enjoy.

[Avicenna]

That's not exactly how it generally works for Jews

[Soteris]

@Avicenna Even if you want to argue for it being a minority, having any kind of advantage will propel your group to the top given enough time. You are a conservative right? You should know the power of having a yearly growth of only 5% for example.

[Avicenna]

by the way, I'm Jewish. It depends what society we're talking about and what point in time. German Jews were better integrated in German society prior to the Holocaust than Jews were in Eastern Europe or Russia and they had higher educational and income levels.

The real "advantage" as it were for Jews, was being willing to work hard and start businesses or to get a good education.

[Soteris]

@Avicenna That is just nonsense. There are countless people and communities all around the world who is willing to work hard and start businesses and get good education, but hard work as well as dedication alone does not reward you with social progression that we have seen from Jews.

You can look at a graph that tracks how productive US workers have been over the years for example and while they are the most productive they have ever been, they are certainly not enjoying the fruit of their labor.

The real power of community support like this is that it correlates inversely with integration, in other words the worse the Jews are integrated into society the more they cooperate within their own community and give better opportunities to themselves. That is how they achieved a higher level of education and income in the first place, you are confusing cause for effect.

While you can argue that some of their advantages are unearned such as their connections, this also gives them a better environment to develop themselves such as seeking higher education. This is just another example of having a more closely knitted community that helps each other.

[Avicenna]

Your ideology traps you, as usual (as well as thinking you know everything). Guess who has the lowest incomes among US Jews? The least integrated. You do know that there was once significant discrimination against Jews in higher education, right?

www.pewresearch.org/.../
www.pewresearch.org/.../

What you don't seem to realize, Soteris, is that you usually have to have a certain level of integration in a Western society to advance economically and certainly socially. You have to do business with different groups of people, socialize, and maybe even intermarry.

[Soteris]

@Avicenna Funny you should mention Pewresearch

[Avicenna]

And your point is?

It's not surprising that you don't understand Jewish culture, especially in other countries, but at least try to understand the role of high expectations for achievement that has traditionally been a large part of Ashkenazi Jewish culture.

[Soteris]

@Avicenna The defining feature of American culture is a high expectations for achievement. That only number one matters and everyone else is a loser, so I ask you the same question. And your point is?

Also, my point is that, according to the image I linked you, I am correct and you are wrong.

[Avicenna]

Merely declaring yourself "right" doesn't make it so, especially since you can't interpret data correctly and don't understand the underlying cultural aspects.

You also don't understand US culture, but you sure know how to parrot Marxist nonsense about it. No one considers the middle class in the US (probably our greatest achievement ever) "losers".

What you don't seem to understand is that in some cultures, the pressure to achieve is greater than in others (it isn't quite as strong as it used to be for Jews, perhaps partly because of intermarriage).

[Soteris]

@Avicenna Pretty sure that Donald Trump has called the middle class in USA losers at least once or twice by now. He certainly dont respect them, thats for sure.

I perhaps forgot to mention something. I do not think the pressure to achieve is healthy or that it results in better results. You trying to argue that it is what makes Jews more productive or whatever means nothing to me or my argument since that is literally something I do not believe in.

But lets get back on point. I am just going to copy-paste something from one of your links if you dont mind:
"As a whole, Jews are a relatively high-income group. About one-in-four Jews (23%) say they have family incomes of $200,000 or more. By comparison, just 4% of U. S. adults report that level of household income.

At the other end of the spectrum, one-in-ten U. S. Jews report annual household incomes of less than $30,000, far fewer than the 26% of all U. S. adults who are below that threshold.
...
The survey also asked Jewish Americans about the financial status of their family when they were growing up. Jewish adults under 30 are much more likely than their elders to say their family lived comfortably during their childhood, which suggests there has been a rise in the U. S. Jews’ standard of living across recent generations."

Huh.. fancy that. It is almost like I am correct. I can also bring up things like their rate of employment and such but honestly why even bother? You dont care.

[Avicenna]

LOL, no, no matter how you torture what you say or any data, it doesn't confirm your claims. As a European Marxist, the idea of working hard and being prudent with money is offensive to you, so you just can't admit that is what does it.

I'm not aware of Trump ever calling members of the middle-class losers, and it sounds very unlikely given his politics. At any rate, citing one person as an exemplar of the values of an entire society is beyond suspect. Now, if you want to talk about the attitudes of arrogant political, social and business elites in the US, who are generally leftists, toward the middle class, you may be on more fertile ground. Nevertheless, the general view in the US is definitely not that the "middle class" are losers, no matter how much you repeat that lie.

[Soteris]

@Avicenna Ah yes, "At any rate, citing one person as an exemplar of the values of an entire society is beyond suspect." But I do parrot a lot of Karl Marx dont I? (pretty sure I do not in fact do that since I do not agree with him and never read his works but whatever, conservatives are going to conservative so everything bad must be Marxism)

I am just referring to the science we have done in regards to education which shows that the competitive type used in for example USA and Japan is not very efficient compared to something like the model used in Finland. Excuse me for basing my beliefs in scientific evidence, must be offensive to one such as you.

[Avicenna]

You're known for misrepresenting pretty much everything and you have a sneering arrogance for societies who dare to do anything differently than your small part of the world does. That isn't "science". What works for your society doesn't necessarily work for other societies with different values, traditions and geography.

Members of an ethnic or religious group assisting other members of the group isn't akin to government-provided social welfare and its regulations. That's why hardcore leftists don't like it- it's outside the control of leftist government employees.

[Soteris]

@Avicenna *rolls eyes* Being different is usually a sign that you are wrong. Statistically speaking that is. Also, humans are humans. We are far more similar than we are different so whenever I hear someone claiming they are unique and that whatever worked for one group would not work for the other I mostly just feel pity for them.

But I digress. The reason leftists dont like community guided assistance is because it lacks standards and scope. For example, when the church took it upon itself to take in orphans (to indoctrinate them) that could be considered as a way to resolve the issue of orphans. The problem is the standard, where kids were not treated the same or might even be mistreated compared to a child in a loving family and scope in that the Church did not accept ALL orphans.

If your goal is to completely resolve a problem such as orphans then community driven actions simply can't provide that. The only organization powerful and large enough to do that reliably is the government and ONLY the government. Furthermore the government also has a vested interest in taking care of orphans so its literally the perfect fit in this example. And this is true for most problems that we delegate to the government. If we want to resolve things like sickness, hunger, homelessness or whatever then only the government can and WANT to do that.

Which is something people like you just can't accept. Which I think is funny as hell.

[Avicenna]

Funny thing is "community guided assistance" as you term it works really well for lots of people, and government bureaucracies often don't work well, sometimes to the point of being corrupt and abusive. But that's a reality Marxists can't accept- it would take away their raison d'etre.

Chinese and Indians in particular would laugh at your delusions. Another thing you don't want to admit is that Jews in the US often provided a lot of that kind of assistance to non-Jews, which is one reason I told you that it doesn't explain Jewish success.

But everything for you is your ideology- everything has a huge confirmation bias for you.

[Soteris]

@Avicenna Monarchy works really well for lots of people but does very little for the rest. Saying something works really well for a selection of people is not a very strong argument.

Also why would Jews helping non-Jews dispute my argument? If 100% of Jews has this support and only lets say 10% of non-Jews then the Jews will as a group do better than non-Jews since whatever help they give non-Jews are averaged out.

You sure are bad at this whole reasoning thing.

[smne35]

Well if I was to tell the truth about the Jews and nothing disrespectful about them it would not be accepted, I'll only say I hope the conflict ends soon in their generational squabble with the Palestine people who are in the wrong in this and all that they have don'e n past to cause civil unrest, why they don't put that energy to better use do something positive instead of wasting it on hate destroying themselves and stop being used by Iran the main instigator, the things I can tell you about that bunch but, you know they were a proud people under Cyrus the Great, or as he's declared himself king of Kings, and rightly so i liked Cyrus, they're Persians the Iranians, conquered half the known world under Cyrus, including Egypt, but bit off more than they can handle with the greeks, they put up a good fight both sides did but one thing about the greeks during that period, they were born warriors, their whole life was built around surviving, fighting,, but sadly they're a sucker for a dollar and the Persians, well did only thing they could do, paid other greeks to fight against greeks, so much for loyalty, today those mullahs something else those guys do as I say not as I do, and what they do, I won't say, the Jews, and arabs, are related half brothers and this whole mess started over a misunderstanding so long ago and anyway they need to get over it and move on, and I thought the Hatfield and McCoy, s were crazy killing themselves over a pig,

[jennifer_bloom]

Both the Jews and the Chinese are successful in North America and both groups lived through famines in the early to mid 1990s so maybe the survival of famine makes your offspring more intelligent. Another factor could be entertainment. The Jews believe that music lyrics are a lot like food and if you absorb a negative lyrical diet, negative things will happen to you. Traditional Chinese people and Orthodox Jews usually listen to music with better lyrics than mainstream society, since Chinese people tend to prefer classical music to Kate Perry. Another thing is the dual process of pressure and elevation. Almost everyone can become great if they are desperate enough and strong enough and almost everyone can be great if they are motivated enough. Jewish culture uses inspiration to motivate people and Chinese culture uses family responsibility and reputation to motivate people. Both are consuming factors. Also Jewish and Chinese culture tends to be more sober and more socially positive than mainstream society. Jewish children are encouraged to study computer programming while other parents encourage their children to study dancing or skating or skiing. Black and white learning makes you smart.

[Flatmanlewis]

The fact this question is even asked, with no apparent awareness of the appalling racism of it, saddens me. Would we ask this same question of any other race? “Why are blacks so __? Why are Muslims so __? Why are Chinese so __? Are they evil?” What a sad state we’re in.


I have worked with and known plenty of Jews in my time even though I am not one. I have found them all to be soundly in the middle class. None rich, none too poor. They seem to have a strong sense of being part of a larger tribe and I respect & admire that.

[FenixG45]

Well-said

[findacure4wokeness]

Most of them are selfish and evil, The Zionists believe they should be ruling the world and actively try to destroy any group that gets in their way. They are destroying western countries through running Multiculturalist programs like the ADL, while turning people of Color against the white race at the same time because they believe whites threaten their rise to power, While protect their own Jewish ethnostate. Non jews are only there to exploit and serve them so they believe.

If you want to know who holds the power then ask yourself who aren't you allowed to criticize?

When ever you see white guys fighting for multiculturalism, trying to destroying only white Racism and throwing other whites under the bus you will find they are mostly Jewish shills despite being only 3% of the American population.

[strateguy632]

your idea is EXTREMELY absurd israel GAVE some LAND several times not try to take cairo damascus rule more land. israel gave sinai peninsula and gave gaza in 2006, gave west bank. but you falsely fear monger.

[Staximus]

You should go to prison and find out that your precious "white brothers" are going to be fucking you in the ass just as fast as any other race.

[findacure4wokeness]

@Staximus so every race equally delivered your ass raping in the big house?

[jshm2]

Don't be daft.

Only three Jewish families are truly "rich" in the world. The rest are just getting by or poor, but act rich.

Jews aren't that "powerful" either. Took centuries to get a state of Israel from the British Mandate and we're not even a century old and not managed to get peace there.

You'd think if there was power or money in being Jewish, then there would be a domination in Israel. But really it's the world biggest tragedy.

[rigmarole]

Look across the entire map of the world. How much territory do Jews really control? A plot of land that is the size of 2-3 counties in the USA. A lot of propaganda swirls around without merit. Christians control the world.

[rigmarole]

Christians tend to protect the Jews, being brothers in faith. Muslims/Atheists/Satanists attack the Christians and Jews.

[rigmarole]

Why do Christian's control the world? It comes down to moral fairness and individualism... Individualism via capitalism grew the population of the world 10 fold by increasing efficiency and provided a better standard of living for the poor than the rich enjoyed before capitalism. This was only possible do to the moral fairness instilled in the rule of law that was born of Christian values.

[Jamie05rhs]

Christians do not control the world. Secular humanists control the world. It's just that a lot of them live in countries that were historically Christian.

[rigmarole]

@Jamie05rhs Whoever occupied the land controls the world. "Secular humanists" can't do anything without Christian warriors behind them. "Secular humanists" are weak little pencil neck shits and the moment Christian warriors turn on them, they are all dead. The clock is ticking...

[Jamie05rhs]

@rigmarole LOL! What Christian warriors? Please do tell.

[Jamie05rhs]

The great-great-great grandparents of the current occupants are the ones who occupied the land. THOSE were the Christians.

[rigmarole]

@Jamie05rhs If Christians don't allow it, you can't even walk down the street. If you forget that, you're fucked.

[rigmarole]

You have Christian revival happening before your eyes...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJwQSEihmhQ

Eucharistic processions marching through the hearts of your cities...
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZKHZVUHAmRw

And you don't realize you're sourounded?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Cg09h64XciQ

Your people planned very poorly...

[rigmarole]

[Jamie05rhs]

@rigmarole Who is "you people"?

[rigmarole]

@Jamie05rhs Read it again. It says "Your people"

[Jamie05rhs]

Okay. Then who are "my people"?

[rigmarole]

@Jamie05rhs You don't know who your people are? What are you retarded?

[Jamie05rhs]

@rigmarole No. I do not know what "people" you are referring to.
I'm asking you an honest question. Help me out here.

[Jamie05rhs]

I'm trying to understand what you mean.

[Avicenna]

I guess you aren't really aware that you're repeating an anti-Semitic meme. There are some rich Jews, but the majority are not rich, not even in the US. Jews don't even have the highest per capita income of any ethnic group in the US.

[strateguy632]

also "high income" would not be a good measure as i answered recently, elsewhere here, due to big rental prices, large amounts go out to pay rent despite high earning, leaving only half or less of salary. and here in u. s. hundreds go out of salary to health insurance monthly.

[OddBeMe]

I’m not sure of the ratio of poor to rich Jews. Are you? I think we suffer from confirmation bias and perhaps see only “rich Jews”…when I’m friends with a group of guys who invite me temple. Pretty boring, the rabbi is fun to talk to because he knows SO much about history. But still in god…so not simpatico.

But they’re salaries are commensurate to mine.

[strateguy632]

zuckerberg is rich because of facebook. but so are nonjews whoever runs twitter.

in general jews are just as "mixed" as any other ethnicity a few very rich and most poor same as any other ethnicity.

[strateguy632]

imagine applying that claim to israel, whete around 7 million jews (in 8 million total population) are gathered together.
do ALL those millions have a house and two cars? because "jews are rich"? of course not! a few rich and most poor with apartment tentals like everyone else.

[Grond21]

Jews are neutral, just like any other ethnic group. They have some solid money strategies though. Instead of being jealous or resentful, people should just adopt the same strategies.

[NamerOfStars]

Basic natural selection: if you keep attempting genocide against a group, eventually, only the clever, resourceful, and wealthy will be left.

[exitseven]

I know a lot of Jewish people. I think that there are about the same percentage of good and bad people as the rest of the population.

[Jamie05rhs]

Because they're smart with their money and they don't make dumb decisions like the rest of you people.

[Lottifan]

Because we work bloody hard and don’t sit on our arses doing sod all.

[Massageman]

Wow. No middle ground of any sort there, huh? Good luck in your future.

[nawtee_me]

I am not rich or powerful. Where do you get that from?

[Staximus]

I don't know any rich or powerful Jewish people. They are just regular people

[strateguy632]

Zuckerberg but 2 non jews, Americans are richer even than zuckerberg.

[BoopBoopBeep]

This is the dumbest question I read today. That says a lot. Good for you.

[Asker]

Just 15million and still can control the world and your worthless ass, bitch.

[BoopBoopBeep]

Yet oddly I make it through each day not having any fucks to give because whatever they're doing doesn't impact my bottom line at all.

[Astarlessnightsky]

These are only antisemetic stereotypes.

[NamerOfStars]

Um, I'm pretty sure he's not Jewish. You don't generally write degrading stereotypical questions about YOURSELF.

[strateguy632]

and remember how they were used to take jew homes and land in many "expulsions" in Europe from england spain germany and france.
after jews were allowed back to france, a while later another expulsion.
same grabbing of jew assets by nazis last century.

[FenixG45]

Who taught you this SH! T?

[boobliker]

it in their education

[strateguy632]

actually only here in u s. many jews have college education and not by wealth but by student loans.
most jews of 18 million don't have college degrees but those who do, earned twenty percent of nobel prizes despite less than 1% in population.