Do you think women should condemn feminism and embrace being a conservative trad wife?

[SolitarySolace]

'THIS is my career': Mom-of-three, 23, reveals how she went from a 'raging feminist' to a 'conservative TRADWIFE' who spends her days as a full-time homemaker baking, doing laundry, and preparing her husband's lunches - www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...servative-tradwife.html

Yes

No

[worldscolide]

No, but i also believe that those feminists that condemn those that want to be trad wives should be taken out behind a building and shot for the idiot hypocrites they are. Feminism is supposed to be about the freedom to choose what ever life they want, Not what ever life they want as long as its not traditional.

[msmissydc]

So here is the thing. You can be a trad wife AND a feminist.
You could not, not be a trad wife if it werent for feminism.
Also trad wifes are bassically what many people call gold diggers. Somehow one expression is hated and the other is wanted. How does that work? For one to have a trad wife she needs to be sure the man can provide enough mohey, has a house and isn't about to loose all that. Thats the only way this whole trad wife thing would work.
Weird that most men wanting trad wifes dont even have a house and neither a job that can provide for kids parents.
What most of them want, actually is their mommy to do their housechores, not a wife.

[MzAsh]

Exactly! 😆 so many guys talk about wanting a trad wife and can’t even get a car or house in their name and make 60k like, boy just get back to your mamas house

[KrakenAttackin]

@msmissydc. Absolutely, POSITIVELY, WRONG IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY.

You couldn't have been more wrong if you tried to troll, but I think you actually believe the shit-for-brains stuff you post.

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin, the problem is that statistic is against you guys. Extreme fractions are located on the edges of the normal distribution. So, 90% of women are between, some more to one side, some more to another, but none of them in extreme... so @msmissydc is right

[KrakenAttackin]

@IslaTheWitch NO. Feminism is based in Marxist-Leninist foundations which is not compatible with being a traditional wife. Full stop.

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin, it's YOUR opinion. Other people have their opinions, often mixed with different theories. That's why people very rarely are on the extreme side. They mix different stuff together and find their way in all of that.

[SolitarySolace]

Which is why it is easier to stay single in real world and refuse sex and friendship with women and continue to expose the Marxist leninist feminist bullshit online

[IslaTheWitch]

@SolitarySolace enjoy

[msmissydc]

Oh so you ARE helping women. I thought you were just hateful. But thank you for staying away from us!

[SolitarySolace]

By staying away from women I'm living my life on my own terms and not by the terms of a woman. If that is considered helping women than so be it. I really don't care

[msmissydc]

Thank you. Now just do it online as well. Your 'exposing bullshit' is kinda self-centered. You are supposed to expose other opinions as bullshit not your own ones.

[KrakenAttackin]

@IslaTheWitch NO, take five minutes and read the writing of the founders of feminism, you will see I am right. Picking and choosing when to believe something only when it benefits you is purely the domain of females. It is also why men have such a hard time taking women seriously.

[SolitarySolace]

@msmissydc, haven't I blocked enough women like you? God, how many of you are there on this god awful app?

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin unfortunately, it's not about women. Almost all people take from different ideas and theories only what matches their beliefs. Women, men, nonbinary... the gender doesn't matter, it's how our mind holds integrity when we are exposed to extreme ideas.

[SolitarySolace]

I think these women already know that, @KrakenAttackin, and they don't care. They'll say whatever they have to continue things the way they are because they're living in a world that is currently giving them benefits and privledges. We know this, because it's at the expense of our lives. They'll get these benefits and privledges and rights if they continue to demonize us

[KrakenAttackin]

@SolitarySolace. It is starting to come to a head. I don't know if I will see real change in my lifetime, but men at the "Atlas" that makes the world work. When Atlas shrugs the world (and women) will have to actually pay attention.

[KrakenAttackin]

@IslaTheWitch @islathewitch. Why doesn't China have a sting feminist movement? Answer, they are already a Communist State.

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin they have feminism, but the construct is totally different because cultural basics don't match at all the western concept. So Chinese feminism is, by default, something different. Add to it government surveillance and a strong connection to socialism.

[MzAsh]

All these little fake trad girlies out here hustling and making bank by making people think they actually serve their men at home. 😆

[NaultD]

It's one thing if you find someone that wants a traditional life. It's another traping people that want a divorce. It's better to build a loving relationship vs the spouse building up the courage to kill the other in the night.

[SolitarySolace]

What's the point of being together if you hate each other that much? So the choices are either happy wife happy life or constantly be at each other throats?

[NaultD]

Exactly and that is called freedom. in a lot of ways freedom is gained from feminism. This is were choosing a traditional life vs a contemporary way of life. There also realizing mistakes or life changes all together. This is where divorce is involved.

How you are describing traditional wife is letting go of all freedom to be trapped.

[SolitarySolace]

How is feminism freedom for men? It's just living under the boot of the woman. Doing everything she says. That's not how I want to live at all. That's the complete opposite of freedom to me. And who is the one trapped?

[NaultD]

Freedom for women. Then, in theory, the person you love is able to choose all available options and choose you and the life style you both choose.

From there creates meaning called true love as opposed to expectations and the hazards of forced expectations as said above.

[SolitarySolace]

Just because they chose you doesn't mean it's a good thing. I've had 4 women choose me and all 4 cheated on me. They're was never any meaning even when it felt like they're was so true love is a falsehood. A temporary feeling and nothing more

[SolitarySolace]

Also, like a woman taking a man's account when making the decision for an abortion she'll just do it anyway, the same can be said in your idea of she'll choose you and the life style you both choose. She'll do whatever she wants

[KrakenAttackin]

@SolitarySolace. As a man, once you have children, you will put up with a lot of shit from a cunt to keep your kids. Trust me on this. You live your kids so much you will do anything for them.

[SolitarySolace]

Well I'm asexual so I'm never having kids which to me is a good thing I don't have to let a woman control my future and whether or not I am worthy of being a father.

[SolitarySolace]

I agree and what's worse is the men and of course women who defend them.

[KrakenAttackin]

@SolitarySolace. This falls right on line with my older question of the "future is female". God help us.

[SolitarySolace]

Just gotta get as many people to vote for Trump

[IslaTheWitch]

I don't think it's about feminism. It's simple freedom to make choices. Some women will feel better at home with kids; some prefer a work environment. As education and jobs are available for everyone, everyone is entitled to learn desired skills and start a career.

so, between being a conservative trad wife and raging feminist, we have all shades of grey :D

[SolitarySolace]

And that will definitely prevent any division 🤣

[KrakenAttackin]

@islathewitch if someone subscribes to an ideology it would follow they believe in the core tenets. I was raised around self described feminist and I can tell you they are the most miserable and toxic people on the planet.

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin people subscribe to parts of ideology, only individuals get all. And it's perfectly OK. No one would subscribe to something they don't believe in. Our mind is set for cooperation, so we take the name of ideology, but not all its elements

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin and people who are on the extreme side are always toxic because they dont consider other perspectives. But they are minority. The rest of people is more moderate.

[SolitarySolace]

The only perspective women can see are their own. They wouldn't put themselves into a man's shoes in any situation. If she's gonna get an abortion for example she's gonna get the abortion. The man and his feelings be damned

[IslaTheWitch]

some women do that, for sure, but they also have their reasons. But no man gives a shit about those reasons...

[KrakenAttackin]

@islathewitch. I agree, but the moment you start you are a "feminist", you have declared some very fundamental things that have serious negative connotations in my opinion.

[SolitarySolace]

Not just in your opinion kraken but mine as well. Feminism holds a very negative opinion on majority of people and rightfully so because it's not seeking what it claims to be seeking

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin, everyone has a right to their own opinion. Just be aware that things are not black or white, and most people operate in shades of grey :D. So I would say it's wise to learn, which principles were adopted by the person you speak with, before you will judge them. But that's just my personal opinion.

[KrakenAttackin]

@islathewitch. I fully agree on the shades of gray, however, IMHO, marriage is a traditional institution. Too many people try to make marriage into something it was never intended to be. What is the draw of avowed feminist to marriage? This tells me the feminist just wants a power grab over the man, now and forever.

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin take a look from a different perspective. For many years marriage was an oppressive institution for women. They had their roles but not rights. They were dumped at home without any perspectives.
A lot changed when women got equal rights. This means marriage must change to accommodate two equal people. They can make their own arrangements. But nothing can be set in stone anymore. Because now, both partners can make decisions, work, and are independent beings. Both have to consider an opinion of their partner and no one-sided decision can be make anymore

Is it so bad?

[KrakenAttackin]

@islathewitch. Ugh... this is the hollow feminist argument. Before about 1870 almost all of humanity was in servitude and marriage was a way for everyone to survive and cooperate. Depending on your beliefs humans have walked the Earth for 200k years or 5k years, either women didn't have full "rights" and the vote until the 1920's. Why? Because men were the only ones sent to way so it made sense for men to be able to vote for who might or might not send them to die. Also, when married a man was entirely responsible for the behavior of his wife. If she ran up huge debt he would have to pay it or he would end up in prison. Women didn't have to go to war and they didn't have the same accountability under law (and still don't really). This is how voting became mainstream. Eventually MEN gave women the right to vote. Did you know in the U. S. during the woman's suffrage movement only 25% of women supported giving women the vote, but 38% of men supported women voting?

So women have all of the rights. And to call marriage oppressive is absurd. Marriage is by choice... yes there was coercion by family and society but it was/is still by choice.

Marriage should be a beautiful and amazing thing between two people and God, but the government and not radical belief systems.

[IslaTheWitch]

@KrakenAttackin marriage between equals is beautiful. Because its base is not one person will but real cooperation and commitment.

for me, my freedom means more than any "care" a man can give me. I'm loyal, affectionate, and communicative, but I don't need to be controlled. I'm able to take care of myself. I need a partner, someone I can trust, someone I can love and have a home together.

[SolitarySolace]

If you can take care of yourself why do you need a partner? You don't. You want someone you can control. You want the ridiculous happy wife happy life mantra. Marriage was once something women didn't want because they were controlled at the time? Now they suddenly want it? That's because her man is doing everything she tells him to. That's no way for a man to live

[normalice]

This is one of those "if everyone else just agreed with me we would all be in agreement!" situations.

No.

[LazerBean]

Yes, it's a wonderful life. But it's a wonderful life anyway for men and women who choose to enjoy their world.

[DaisyM23]

you can still be a feminist if you're a housewife - feminism by definition is wanting equality for everyone, without all the politics everyone should at least want that bare minimum

[KrakenAttackin]

@DaisyM23 This is one of the dumbest posts to ever be posted on GAG.

[SolitarySolace]

If feminism were still about equality why is it taught alongside CRT? Which teaches that white MEN are the cause of all evil

[SolitarySolace]

Plus you probably still believe there is such a thing as a patriarchy

[SolitarySolace]

Hopefully a man won't be stupid enough to marry her

[KrakenAttackin]

Our strong feminist is so brave and powerful she reported my comment.

[KrakenAttackin]

I will likely be out in solitary soon.

[KrakenAttackin]

Put in solitary soon

[DaisyM23]

feminism IS about equality - stuff like feminism and CRT are about learning about history, of course white men aren't the root of all evil that's stupid to say, but at the root of a lot of modern problems is colonialism and who was doing the colonising? European aka white men but no one's going back and generalising all men. If you're conflating issues, maybe go open up a history book. You can have your opinions but don't dismiss the fact that MEN and the patriarchy have been shaping society for centuries simple as, men have been the ones mostly leading western societies and shaping the economy, politics and war - if you're stupid enough to think race and gender aren't massive factors today, or in history, then there's no point even trying to change your minds

[KrakenAttackin]

@DaisyM23. Feminism is based on Marxist-Leninist foundations. Go read some of the literature of the founders of feminism than report back.

[DaisyM23]

@KrakenAttackin feminism, without the term actually being coined, has been around for much longer than Marx and Lenin, Wollstonecraft wrote her book about 50 years before Marx and she's a key figure in early western feminism - feminism has just been closely associated with left wing rhetoric too because when both began to take off in the early 20th century they HAD to be kind of allied - plus feminism separated from marxism when marxists only wanted to prioritise a class struggle rather than gender struggle and so in the west, there've been different waves of feminism for the different problems they faced (from vote to employment to sexual harassment) - if you think feminism doesn't have a place now, just look at debates over abortion laws and especially rape and harassment. Obviously western and non-western women have very different problems but women everywhere face some sort of problem because of their gender.

[SolitarySolace]

And men are facing problems today because of women and all of the privileges and rights women are obtaining. There are bad women and good women and these things feminists are doing are empowering the bad women as well as the good. How is that overall a good thing?

[DaisyM23]

if you think someone getting the same rights YOU have is impeding your life, you really need to change your mindset
at the same time there are bad and good women, there are also bad and good men, and the kind of rhetoric you're saying and defending would only help bad men

[SolitarySolace]

And the rhetoric you’re saying and defending would only help bad women

[NathanDavis]

I think your mother should have condemned you less... and embraced you a lot more, seriously...

[SolitarySolace]

When I'm met with personal attacks it leads me to believe im on the right track and should keep doing what I'm doing

[NathanDavis]

did your father beat you?

[SolitarySolace]

No, he did not. Neither did my mother

[NathanDavis]

who hurt you then?

[SolitarySolace]

9 different women at different points in my life

[SolitarySolace]

and many more to come unless I continue to remain single

[NathanDavis]

what was the common denominator there? besides you...

[SolitarySolace]

The women who all did something different to made me who I am today. If you believe it's my fault and that I should take some sort of responsibility for it, I am. I'm remaining single.

[NathanDavis]

one does how to wonder... how come you ended up picking the worst of the lot, every single time...

[SolitarySolace]

Because that's all there is in my generation. That's all Im surrounded by. Maybe that's all God is allowing me.

[NathanDavis]

what about the other millions of people that are not dealing with this...

[SolitarySolace]

They don't deal with the same experiences I have the same way I do.

[NathanDavis]

ah yeah...

millions and millions to one...

[SolitarySolace]

Everyone is different. No one is the same. No one thinks the same. Everyone has reasons to believe what they do. I believe I've been hurt by multiple women and that the only way to prevent that from continuing is to stay single. I also believe I've been hurt by so many women continuously is because women in general have their own agenda that does not, will not ever benefit me

[NathanDavis]

" everyone is different, no one thinks the same

except women, women are all the same and they all think the same, which is going against me "

[SolitarySolace]

Women have their own individual personal agendas that have not and never will benefit me

[NathanDavis]

right...

[Agape93]

If they want that lifestyle, sure.