Is it bad for society for everyone to be educated?

[ChefPapiChulo]

You think that would be a good thing right? But, what if everyone is educated and expect better jobs?

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A highly educated society might create a bad economy.

[RavVid]

That is my point too. US stats are better so I quite often look at those to start with when I want to investigate something. About 40% of female HS grads go to college. From the IQ bell curve that means the IQ of that cohort is 105 up.

So that means the course has to be dumbed down such that a 105 IQ person can pass. Pushing more people through college means you have to lower standard - full stop. Employers get pickier and pick the brighter college grads and maybe only pick Masters or PHD.

There could be a lot of college grads that have to waitress with their degree, if there are not enough Media & Communication jobs.

As the gender is 60% F and 40% M, the bell curve implies 20% points of the females will have lower IQ than the guys. . Haven't got this far yet.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Someone with 100 IQ can do almost anything, although it becomes increasingly difficult for jobs like Doctors and lawyers.

[RavVid]

There is perspiration in work too. And study is work. The average IQ can indeed do most things but, as you say, it becomes increasingly harder in some degrees like doctoring and lawyering.

Mathematics is an area where there seems to be more an intrinsic can or can't limit. I topped out in 4th year engineering. Most of the students did. But the professor had set the same single exam question for the last 10 years so we all just memorized and regurgitated to pass.

Irrespective, IQ correlates well with success. Back in the day the top 6% got degrees. If we democratize to the top 50% (IQ 100 plus) does that mean all graduates will get the high paying jobs that the top 6% used to walk into? If everybody has a degree than I think they will be paid as well as high school diplomas because they are as common.

Can industries consume more graduates? Is it the more the merrier? I was chatting with a girl about her choice of degree to do. I suggested law. She said they are pumping out so many law degrees you can't get jobs. The punchline was both her parents are lawyers so you'd think they would have contacts and could swing a job but they are saying No. Might be different in the US to Aus. Dunno.

Our woke gov't wants everybody to have a degree. So I am asking your question 'is it bad for society for everyone to have a degree'? Slight mod but same question.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Not sure if you're a bot, but IQ isn't the only determinant. It is an indicator of success, but other things come into play like work ethic, a stress-resistant, environment.

Yes higher IQ people will have an easier job of getting good jobs though. Because unfortunately life is a rat race and whoever gets to the top first will be ahead and people with high IQ learn at a faster rate.

[ChefPapiChulo]

That's what I'm asking. A highly educated society might be bad for the economy.

[RavVid]

Money spent on education needs to be productive and not just assumed to be a productive investment. That is where we are at sadly. Aydin Paladin (YT) is highly voracious on academia despite being an academic.

There is another effect as well. With a critical mass of such degrees as Feminist Studies, the holders start burrowing in like ticks and create an industry for and on behalf of their own pecuniary interests.

Locally to me this largely consists of getting themselves on various gov't committees. They might just get $20,000 per committee but the game is I'll get you on this committee if you get me on this committee. So they can easily be on 7 for $140,000 pa. It's corruption on the public teat.

So yeah I agree a highly educated society can be bad for economy and put a lot of dead weight in the saddle bags.

I am not and wouldn't claim that IQ is the only determinant of success. For a little while I managed a team with a guy who was a Mensa member with a photographic memory and another guy who was a bit slow cw other team members.

The guy who was slow just didn't like making mistakes, so tasks would take twice as long but I didn't have to check on him and the task would be done perfectly. The Mensa guy could make humongous stuff ups. Very smart people can think it is easier than it is.

[handsomelad70]

Most American cops have about a 104 IQ.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Yeah you’re a bot.

[handsomelad70]

The French and other European countries rigourously test prospective college entrants to determine if they meet the academic requirements. Because U. S. universities just raise tuition so the smart offspring of the poor are denied joining the creme de la creme, anyone with connections can get their dumb brats into a top college, and Daddy's or Mommy's money and chits keep them in until they graduate.(See: For one example, George Dummy Bush.)

[V_Injector]

Citizens are being herded like cattle into the education scam. They come out of it not being able to do jack shit and employers know it. I have a BS in accounting for instance... never gonna use it. GI Bill just pay for the school and books and they pay my rent to go to school. We're entering a world where people have high degrees and they become a fucking barista for life.

I have the choice for even more school now... I'm gonna go trade school all the way. I'd like to do something like wielding and make my own workout equipment. Maybe sell hex bars on Amazon for a living. People always want hex bars or some shit.

But fuck bullshit like doing taxes. You gotta know people to actually land the jobs that degree promises.

As for your question, if the degree is bullshit, it will equal bullshit. They'll be working at McDonald's after college. I would've never bothered if it didn't pay the rent. But hey... no college debt for me.

[handsomelad70]

V-Injector, American "mis-education" is turning out more blinkered idiots who'll vote for the two bosses' parties as the overlords continue to scam them, using all manner of bigotry to divide the 99.9999999% while
Bezos, Musk et. al. continue their campaign to become the first trillionaire.

[Anonymous]

No it's a good thing. Being informed and knowledgeable is good. Otherwise you end up with a poor society, poverty, corruption, hunger, insurrections, dictators, etc..

[GuyAnswersGirls123]

I wonder about that sometimes. There is the trend in socialist Cuba for people with medical degrees and the like to become taxi drivers because it pays more than being a doctor (taxi drivers are actually operating in a free market and privately own the means of production).

https://www.youtube.com/embed/n-mUZRP-fpo

However, if we look at Singapore, for example, it's one of the most educated populations in the entire world and they have over 10% of their population as millionaires now and it's growing and growing in percentage:

Yet it's also the most economically free nation in the world. So they seem to have a way of finding and creating well-paying jobs for their highly-educated population.

[GuyAnswersGirls123]

So I think with a very free economy, the private sector can often rearrange itself quickly enough to suit the nature of its population. Such is the case with Singapore where you have great business dynamism, thriving small businesses (not more regulated economies like the US where a Wal-Mart ends up swallowing up all sorts of little grocery and retail stores, e. g.), bustling trade with other nations, etc. It's like a capitalist utopia and also the cleanest and most beautiful of all densely-populated cities I've ever seen:
https://youtu.be/QCZ8jInO7UY

If we have a more regulated economy, I think that becomes tougher for it to adapt and innovate to suit itself to a more educated population, and we might start working towards something like Cuba.

[GuyAnswersGirls123]

Also went to junior high school in Singapore in Dover Court International: by far the best school I ever went and learned the most (really gave me a heads up when I went to the US for high school):
https://youtu.be/G8rJMHCCDQA
One thing they taught a lot is entrepreneurship. Each student is encouraged to become a job creator and not just a job seeker since it's well-suited for such a free market economy.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Singapore is a relatively small population though right? Switzerland is the same way.

[GuyAnswersGirls123]

Yep, it's only a bit over 5 mil people, but it also teeny being 734.3 km². We can drive across the entire country from one side to the other in about 30 mins. It's one of the most densely-populated in the world (around 200 times more than the US, 2000 times more than Australia).

So it is teeny but very dense and extreme diverse culturally. Probably the most culturally diverse nation in the entire world. One of the things that struck me most about it is that there's so little in the way of ethnic and racial tension. Racism is almost non-existent there.

[jshm2]

Very little society is actually educated. It's really just schooled instead.

People pass standardised testing, but know very little of the subject outside of whatever was pushed down their throats in class.

It's why people are getting stupider, but technology is getting better.

[Dargil]

Nope. the problem with modern education is that too many believe that they can start from the top and there are far too many fluff degrees wasting money and time. But education is also certification in HVAC welding, plumbing and scores of other sweat trades. Sweat trades are looked down on by elitists, until the power goes off or the toilet leaks on the floor. We need fewer degrees in Lithuanian Gay Dance and more certifications in auto repair and for electricians.

[Anonymous]

'educated' yeah it's just to keep people out working pool for longer

Then they want more money so everything gets more expensive so they want more money until hyperinflation sets in and the government seizes all private assets and reintroduces slavery

[JacobJordan]

Well right now people are more uneducated than ever a little education and actual damn parenting would serve a lot of people really well

[ChefPapiChulo]

We do live in some weird times.

[JacobJordan]

This is what happens when families break apart. Children need both their parents. It is shocking how important that is for children across mental, psychological, emotional and physical health. If families were reformed things would begin to improve

[NaultD]

Right now In the dawn of automation and AI, it's more we are late and lacking in the new revolution.

[NaultD]

In the dawn of self driving cars and fully automated restaurant. We are late to the reality of a revolution

[handsomelad70]

Yes, because EVERYONE should aspire to be a dull-normal, uneducated Billy Bob, Bubba, Becky or Daisy. Sounds like a country of which I'd LOVE to be a citizen.

[nickstaa]

Then you wouldn't have competition for your McDonald's job.

[DextroShade]

What passes for "education" these days is a fucking joke.

[OtterMan68]

it's very good. Too many ignorant people vote

[ChefPapiChulo]

Yeah, you're not American.

[OtterMan68]

why because I think too many ignorant people vote. In 2016, the two candidates with the lowest overall approval rates in history received over 97% of the vote!

[ChefPapiChulo]

America is a nation of freemen.

[ChefPapiChulo]

You don’t get to decide who votes.

[OtterMan68]

I didn't say anyone should be banned from voting. I'm just pointing out a lot of ignorant people vote

[ChefPapiChulo]

Oh. True you did say that. I mistook your meaning as something else.

[strateguy632]

not bad