Is freedom the opposite of security?

[OddBeMe]

In a way…

Not really

[Juxtapose]

Yes actually, because total security would involve an omnipresent surveillance state where people are not allowed to leave confined, padded rooms. Even trips to the bathroom would be carefully monitored and controlled. This type of control could only be achieved with artificial intelligence and it is our future if we don't fight against it.

You want to be able to drive your car rather than have a machine do it for you? You have to fight for that. You want to be able to go outside despite the risks? You have to fight for that. You want to swim despite it being a little dangerous at times? You have to fight for that.

Civilians are in a perpetual, eternal war against governments to secure their freedoms and they only tolerate governments because these governments would be replaced by the mafia otherwise.

[goaded]

Reasonable compromises aren't a thing in your world, are they?

[Juxtapose]

@goaded these "reasonable compromises" have led to the steady erosion of my rights. I see it with the Patriot Act, I see it with civil asset forfeiture, I see it with the persecution of journalists, etc.

The citizenry should have gotten together and done something about this a long time ago. People in America should be like the French where they really just don't take any shit whatsoever.

[Juxtapose]

Every time you completely reform the government to flush out corruption, it will get corrupted within 10 years or less so you have to stay on top of that AGGRESSIVELY. The model of electing representatives and then ignoring what they do is not going to work anymore, people are going to have to be much more actively involved.

[goaded]

Maybe. France has 35 hour weeks, 30 days paid leave a year, 16-26 weeks maternity leave... You were talking about making people's lives better, right?

What "persecution of journalists"?

[goaded]

Your problem is that the right keeps electing obviously corrupt people to office who lie about wanting to flush out corruption. Look at Trump, the money foreign governments paid to his companies, the $2 Billion given to his son-in-law to "invest"...

[Juxtapose]

@goaded I admire the French because if you so much just try to take a year or two off of their retirement? They are going to actively inconvenience the government which is what Americans need to be much more comfortable doing.

Does Julian Assange and Edward Snowden not ring a bell to you?

Yeah that's all a bunch of bullshit and a way to misdirect people away from what Hunter and Joe have been up to.

oversight.house.gov/.../

[Juxtapose]

*so much as

[Juxtapose]

Meanwhile people like you praise Mitt Romney who is one of the prime culprits of corruption lol.

[goaded]

I praised one aspect of Mitt Romney, when he told the truth about Trump. Haven't you noticed that the sham impeachment attempt is dead? The last witness, along with every witness that was actually present for anything, blew apart the claims, and there's even video of Giuliani being told there were no bribes paid to Biden.

Remind me, what do you think of protesters taking to the streets in the US, like BLM in 2020?

[Juxtapose]

@goaded he lied his ass off to protect the deep state. Biden is extremely corrupt and a puppet.

BLM was a disgrace. Instead if inconveniencing the government they trashed their own neighborhoods and black owned businesses. Fuckin' morons they are.

[Juxtapose]

*Instead of

[goaded]

Of course anyone telling the truth about Trump's attempts to smear Biden is lying, and people who actually stand up for their rights outside France are bad. You're so transparent.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded the French gets results while BLM destroys their own living spaces for naught. Nice try though.

[Juxtapose]

*get

[Juxtapose]

I do think the French shouldn't target civilians though.

[Juxtapose]

Protest by inconveniencing the government.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded and yeah, pretty much 75-95% of what Trump says is true and 95% of what Biden says is a lie.

[goaded]

So, the French are good for doing what BLM did, which was bad?

[goaded]

"pretty much 75-95% of what Trump says is true and 95% of what Biden says is a lie. "
How clueless can you be?

[Juxtapose]

@goaded no, BLM went above and beyond.

[Juxtapose]

Summer of Love had record high damages actually.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded "How clueless can you be?"

I think the same of thee.

[goaded]

You're so utterly stupid that you think that Trump hardly ever lies? Protests in France also cause damage, but they're good and BLM is bad, right?

[Juxtapose]

@goaded compared to other politicians? Absolutely. He's been the greatest president in my lifespan's history.

BLM, like I said, caused record damages, was for a dumbass cause and was ineffectual.

[Juxtapose]

Well I didn't say that cause was dumb but I do now. They're black supremacist extremists who want to commit crime without the cops to stop them.

[goaded]

This guy thinks Trump tells the truth most of the time! What an idiot.

[Juxtapose]

Hahaha and you support a segregatist pedophile.

[strateguy632]

not opposite. just related.

the excuse of security is frequently misused by power hungry democrats to claim that safety is an excuse to interfere with personal choices n freedoms, exposed the misuse of patriot act, examples from influencing the car we buy, the food available, the future of cows that destroyed environment as they claim to interfere, to spying on your emails n phone calls in the name of security even before a threat was ever established by an objective judge.

real freedom does not conflict real security no matter how democrats mislabel, as usual, invasive laws.

[goaded]

Who signed the Patriot Act into law?

[Sevenpointfive]

can a government secure my freedom? no. that relies on individuals minds to do that.

[goaded]

A government can secure your freedom not to be enslaved or unreasonably exploited, it can secure your freedom from invasion, in most rich countries it can secure your right to paid time off and health care. Without any of those things, how free are most people, really?

[Sevenpointfive]

@goaded it doesn't feel that way anymore. at least not where i live. i don't feel safe.

[goaded]

Have you tried looking at the actual statistics for your area? It was almost certainly more dangerous 30 years ago (homicide rates have nearly halved since the 1980s).

Is it possible that there are a lot of people with guns around?

[Sevenpointfive]

@goaded lol, 30 years ago i was part of the problem

[OddBeMe]

Is the government opposite of freedom? Technically…. yeah.

We trade minor freedoms for greater stable security. Until the patriot act is passed.

[Sevenpointfive]

i suppose by greater stability you mean mass shooting preventions? so i have to lose my guns to feel more safe? i know the police doesn't protect it's citizens. why should they get a raise while doing nothing more than prey on innocent citizens to make a quota to make it look like they do anything? they ruin/kill peoples lives more than they help them

[OddBeMe]

No actually just jump through a few extra hoops.

[Sevenpointfive]

that's certainly the democratic way these days

[OddBeMe]

To save lives.

[OtterMan68]

People say we have mroe freedom in the US but we are not safer than Europe, Japan, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and Singapore.

So?

[OddBeMe]

Very true! And we also imprison millions more than they. It’s like the more you try the tougher crime gets.

Those countries also have better poverty programs.

[msc545]

You can have both freedom and security. Just not in the United States.

[Sameone]

Not really

[OddBeMe]

Look dude I was high as fuck. Gagging while intoxed

[Sameone]

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