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Safe space for guys! Dont let the word feminism scare you away. They can't get to you here.
Mordern feminism is getting more and more ridiculous everyday and im curious to hear what you guys think and feel about it. How do you feel about us waiting to be men only when its convenient for us 🤣
Femist fought so good that men can also be woman now, and even compete in sport with woman. I guess we won? Man and woman are now equal 👀
I don't think about it much because I surround myself with good people and everyone is entitled their opinions. To be fair in 44 years I've never met anyone as extreme as you describe. Lay off fox news for a while and you'll feel better
Feminism was created by communists. It's meant to demoralize a population. Anyone women that falls for it is a retard.
There's nothing in modern Feminism that wasn't there at Seneca Falls, there's just a hell of a lot less by way of legitimate grievances. That doesn't, in and of itself, bother me- any movement is going to have its share of crazies- but now that basically every real complaint has been resolved, the "poor victim" mentality is growing not just old, but harmful. Not only because it's ensuring girls (and then women) see themselves as powerless and unable to affect the world or their lives (doubly irksome since it comes from a movement that claims to be about "empowerment", yet seeks to keep them weak and dependent), but because it actively raises hostility towards male victims.
On the surface, this may seem excusable- it's not like anti-cancer charities focus on feeding the hungry, say- but it's not just ignoring them, but actively undermining them. A "campus rape crisis" is Gulf-of-Tonkined into existence by Feminist leaders, even though college women are the LEAST likely of their age group to be raped, and the sitting vice President enacts a policy that directly undermines the eighth Amendment, specifically prohibiting legal counsel and the presenting of exculpatory evidence at disciplinary hearings, since someone who's taken into custody is obviously guilty.
Then, more anti-male hysteria is stirred up, because the number of students kicked out of schools (not arrested, because criminal cases have actual standards of evidence, but thrown out), and it's always brought up how 98% of rapes are committed by men- and never mentioned how that's only the case because rape laws are written specifically to exclude female perpetrators. Fun fact: the US juvenile penal system has more sexual assault complaints made against it every single year than the worldwide Catholic Church has in its entire 2,000-year history. ONE subgroup (juvenile) of ONE group (prisoners) of ONE country (the US), EACH year versus the entire past. Why does that get ignored while the Church is (rightly) vilified? Because the perpetrators are almost invariably women: guards and officials in positions of power. And it's not consensual, either (to the extent one CAN consent to a person who's literally holding you prisoners); these are COMPLAINTS.
That's just one example. So what happens when more reasonable and actually SANE Feminist leaders speak out against the abuses of the movement? Look at Erin Pizzey, a hero if ever there was one, who dared to suggest that battered MEN should have help and options, too- driven out of her organization, the movement, and even her country when the murder attempts started (she eventually came back, because she's a badass that way). Look at Warren Farrell, former head of the National Organization for Women- hunt down footage of the protest of his appearance at the University of Toronto; the living wall of protesters objecting to his being given a platform to speak, and screaming to drown out anything he might say. Then look at the actual speech he made, and realize it's like protesting Mister Rogers.
I don't hate women. I actually want them to be free to make their own decisions, whether that's being a housewife or being a CEO or anything in between. But I don't want to see men disadvantaged for it. I hold biological determinism and biological denialism in equal contempt. Let the door be open to all, but shove no one through it. Feminism, primarily but not exclusively in its current form, does the exact opposite- it reviles Cinderella's passivity, but also Antigone's responsibility and honor. It casually tosses out slogans like "the future is female", which is a literal call for genocide.
It's a hate movement, pure and simple.
I really value talented individuals whether men or women. But not every man in history was some blue-collar type who wanted a slave of a housewife. My father married an architect and they worked together. Same with my wife's family. And same with our marriage.
And I'm not sure about how every single intersectional feminist uses the word, "privilege". Definitely there is a white-normaity in cultures that are predominantly white, just as there is an Asian or more specifically Japanese-normativity here in Japan. That doesn't make it oppressive. Get used to it. Conquer it.
And often there is a minority/foreigner privilege which people don't want to talk about because they want to be childish and talk about "privilege" in a group-oriented way like this group earns 7% more than we do therefore they hold all the power.
I taught my little sister how to skateboard on vert ramps starting with how to drop in, do frontside airs, backside airs, awesome, in the 90s when there were so few women in the sport. She just did the tricks I taught her, no new ones, but she became a pro while I was just sponsored. No regret at all. Let's welcome women in the sport. But isn't female privilege? There is a minority privilege to entering a field dominated by other people. People are actually eager to welcome them more often than not. Definitely there are naysayers but the privileges outweigh the benefits.
But ultimately I think a lot of these feminists are very weak and selfish people. They can't realize that other people in the "oppressor" group have it harder than them. They lack empathy because they're so obsessed with the idea that they're victims of society. When you are thoroughly convinced that you're the ultimate victim, you become the ultimate victim narcissist. And I think that's what a lot of these modern feminists are.
Yes feminists turn it on and off if and when it suits, especially when they have done something wrong. I find feminism to be the worst thing in the modern world. It is basically man hating, trying to criminalize men just for being men, giving special treatment to women quite often through their kids. Feminists blame men for women doing wrong.
They advocate for women to get leniency when women break the law, by saying they must be victims of men or forced by men to break the law. Here in European countries they are trying to have men labelled as predators and jailed for sexual harassment for the most mundane things such as staring or standing to walking to close to them at night.
Feminism has also caused a lot of discrimination for people with disabilities as well, with single mums using their kids to take the priority seats on public transport and parking. And here in the UK one feminist got a Autistic guy prosecuted just for staring her, stating it caused 'harassment, alarm and distress.
Feminists also think that men should always forgive women for doing wrong when it comes to relationships, even when the women plan the wrong thinking they can get away with it.
I don't understand feminism, I think it's a bad ideology. I believe that every ideology has an enemy and was created to divide people. I have the impression that women and men are often very hostile towards each other and find it increasingly difficult to find understanding, among others due to feminism. feminists are very sexist towards men. I believe that this movement in its modern version is an extreme that has a negative impact on people's well-being. it's not about equality, it's about power. men should do the same if they want to be equal at this point, but women are the most privileged in the world and pretending to be a victim is a really strange tactic, unfortunately politicians support it because I thought that a divided and corrupt society is easier to manipulate, unfortunately at the same time society is losing its strength and numbers. on which the power of nations is based. Unfortunately, we are going in a very wrong direction. I hope this all ends better than I think. take care.
The only legitimate argument modern feminism could have (in the USA anyway) is being the loudest opponent to transgenderism, but the vast majority of those lunatics either support it, or don't want to touch it with a 100ft pole. It becomes very obvious, very quickly when talking with those figures that this movement is about fleecing money and power, and gaining special treatment rather than equality or fairness. In fact, that's the hard truth about most activist grifts in the country.
true feminism is not in women trying to mimic men's natural strengths and roles but in celebrating women's natural strengths and roles. that people are debating if guys can breastfeed is just the flip side of the same bent coin. we might as well ask if we can rightly all just walk on our hands and bump feet to greet each other as the new normal. maybe we can all start eating with our anuses and defecating out of our mouths while we're at it.
Let's just call it for what it is. Sexism! Modern feminism = Sexism. Like, you have an entire movement dedicated to ONE thing and that is to keep the male population slaving in the high risk, hard and lifeshortening jobs while everyone else in their entitlement demands a bigger piece of the produced wealth (produced by males) with no other basis for it than their identity.
I have no problem if nurses think they deserve higher pay even if it happens to be a female-dominated occupation. They contribute a valueable service to society and like everyone that contributes they have every right to band togeather and change the terms for their employment. My problem with feminsim is that it's genderbased, not based on merit. Modern feminists wants a bigger piece of what everyone is contributing to without actually contributing themselves.
Oh yeah! on top of wich they somehow have gotten the idea that they're the price.
I think it was taken too far, the push for equal rights was good but now it seems like modern feminism wants to be above men. I also think modern feminism has ruined a lot of dating because now you have to risk when talking to a girl she will get made you dared think was cute and wanting to ask her out. I'm still traditional man and open doors for women, and I'm nervous of the day someone starts screaming at me for being polite and a gentleman that my mother raised me to be. My mom pushed for me and my brother to be gentlemen more than my dad and she is no weak woman.
first wave was rights as people.
Second wave was white women deserve the privilege of white men.
Third wave all women deserve the privilege of a modern society.
People argue 4th wave dosen't exist but for people who do include gender and gender identity.
As the saying goes raising tides raises all ships. The worst parts of feminism is being exclusionary hence the second and third situation.
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Modern feminism is the enemy of both men and women. They do not want your best and its a cult.
I'm against feminism completely but I love women very much I would do everything to protect them and give them the chance to be their best self just as everyone else should strive to be their best in all that they want. Nothing is worse then a person who cannot enhance their knowledge or do the same as others freely of their choice.
But feminism should be abolished and instead there should be a movement which is neutral for both sides as every time a movement gets created which is predominantely used by one gender it will be used as a weapon for revenge.
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