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I think sometimes they're just disaffected males who don't like to see men succeed with women by using piggish, not nice ways of treating them from the perspective of them who, for whatever reason don't hate or disrespect women but remain comparatively unattractive to the ones they go for
Or its someone who is using feminism to hook up with feminists because they find them attractive physically or for being a part of the intellectual circles of the college they go to or websites they frequent
Still sometimes, it really is just a guy who doesn't want women to be disadvantaged for their gender & has taken to feminism with the actual goal of equality in mind, because they've either witnessed sexism or have read history of how things were for women before feminism appeared as a mitigating factor, deciding that its a virtuous path for them to take. I have my own views on the efficacy of feminism as a movement in the west, but I do think that without it the female vote wouldn't have happened so soon, & that countries like Saudi Arabia desperately need it. In this perspective I can sympathize with the male feminist who has good intentions, however, I think in the west there's a diversity of issues fueling inequality & that to identify as an egalitarian is just better & more efficient than to call oneself a feminist in the USA where I live. Not just because it makes you ideologically rub shoulders with extremists who use rape in the context of women who were blackout drunk as rationalization for saying that all sex between couples who were drinking is compromised, & counts as rape.
Feminism is basically supporting equal rights for all. I think that a woman (should) has (have) as much rights and possibilities as a man. Due to the way how society and biology works this is currently not really the case. I met very capable male nurses and very capable female IT people, hell I even met female command's that would kill without the same hesitation as their male counterparts.
I can't understand that some men see this as 'collaborating with the enemy'. There is no enemy, there is only us, and us need to make things work in a honest way for all.
Ah, so feminism is communism. I guess that's why I am not a feminist, and why I never will be.
@MasterofPlebs do you call that logic? Go kite surfing in Miami...
It depends. I know some guys who do identify as feminists but don't do crazy stuff like demonize their own gender nor cross dress so they break gender roles. Just normal guys who think we need more justice for women. The others who do follow crazy feminist ideologies I just think they are nuts like any crazy girl feminist and just want to be edgy and contradict. Just the same issues as any feminist, in my opinion.
In my opinion, the guys I know that identifyy as feminists but are not SJW's they just wanna have girls' approval. its valid since they are high school and college boys they might not be comfortable with sharing controversial opinions that might affect their luck with women lol. Cause if a man says we don't need feminism he will be labeled as sexist pig and girls might dislike him even if he does believe in equality just doesn't think the modern woman is oppressed and doesn't like third wave feminism. If I do say the same thing as a woman all that can happen is that some girls will dislike me but no man (unless its a sjw which is fine cause I dont ever wanna date one) is gonna care about it.
Very important and not enough of them. It's very difficult to achieve equal rights and sexism if only women fight for them. Because most people who are sexist, don't have respect for them and don't listen to them.
For example, a man can help a woman in a case of street intimidation. They can teach their children not to do that in the future and can stand up for a woman if he sees it happening, because these men who do street intimidation, won't take shit from a woman, but will from a man.
I don't respect them , or take shit from a woman or a man either. And by the way , equal rights has nothing to do with feminism. It's used as bait from feminist for younger females to be indoctrinated to. So you think women only want feminist guys around for the muscle. The male bargaining chip hub?
@Djaaay don't take shit from who?
Ofcourse I don't only want men for muscles. I think we should accept our biological differences and help eachother. I'm also for men's rights and I think if there were more male feminists, sexism against men will get more attention.
Feminism is for equality between sexes. Look it up on Wikipedia, however, everyone has a different view on equality.
Like all questions pertaining to feminism, it all depends on your definition of "feminist." Everyone really should be a feminist in the sense of believing in equal rights for all people, including women. That's just a basic standard of humanity in my opinion, whether you want to call it feminism or not. I respect men who are willing to speak up against sexism, and I don't see how that could be oppression. However, I don't agree with radical feminists, male or female.
Thats why usually people that want equality for both genders call themselves egalitarians as it gets rid of all confusion. Because, as you just said: what is your definition of feminism? Truth be told, there is no real definition of it anymore. It has become a clusterfuck at this point of different (very different) definitions. I think OP means the ones that want superiority over men. To keep it simple I call them feminazis. By now I think thats what most males who are asking on the webs mean whem asking these kinda questions.
''Everyone really should be a feminist in the sense of believing in equal rights for all people,''
im would be a human rights activist, not a feminist.
I prefer the term "egalitarian" or "human rights activist" over "feminist" these days, since as @SweetScreams stated there is no real definition for feminism anymore. But at the same time I dislike it when people totally discount or vilify feminism, since it served a very important purpose in the past (and still does in some countries). @FreedomByChoice Yes, but I do believe that some people who call themselves feminists really do support human rights in general, just like a gay rights activist doesn't necessarily ONLY support rights for gay people. I just prefer not to use the term myself for the aforementioned reason.
@Djaaay Uh not sure about that. Why do you think so?
True ( feminism) has an agenda of lesbiainism. A rebellion agaist GOD's authority and any man alike. The agenda includes , the ( New World Order ) . To achieve it , the old world order must die first. This means christianity must go , the traditional family must go , national patriotism must go , parental authority must go , individuality must go , national borders and soverenty must go , morality and family values must go. Feminist today are angry , empowered , and rebellious. Women don't need men anymore , the state has become their new husband. Feminism is synonymous with lesbianism , divorce and abortion. Civil rights is one thing , sinful rights are another.. The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It's about a communist , anti - family , anti Christian, political movement that encourages women to leave thier husbands , kill thier babies , practice witchcraft , abandon homemaking , and become lesbians.
Feminism is generally a bad influence on both men and women these days, but male feminists are extremely devious. They use it as an attempt to have sex with women because they think that by showing themselves as "protectors" of women's rights they will be accepted. Very often male feminists are disproportionately over-represented in cases such as sexual assault and rape.
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It's about equality, rights. it's standing up for your mother's, sisters, girlfriends, wives, rights. There is nothing wrong with that. Just because he happens to be at a female rights March or parade doesn't mean that he only cares about feminism or that he is a pussy or whatever. Maybe their girlfriend went or wanted to go and asked somwbpdy to come along, maybe he feels strongly that his grandmother had to stay home and take care of the family or fill a traditional role.
Who the hell knows the reason, if he's showing support for the opposite sex, if he davours them over his own sex, let him. Maybe all he has in his life are girls/women.
Of course if he's hating males then that's no equality, so that would be bad, and really the only reason to bash somebody
Well, the difference between a male feminist and a female feminist is that with women, it's generally accepted that you're probably a feminist, even if you don't believe any of the baloney they're peddling today. They don't give it much thought and just instinctively say they are whether it's true or not. It's just expected of them.
Male feminists aren't like that. They went out of their way to align with the political movement because they find it the only moral answer to life. They're on the ''right side of history'' and they're the pioneers of this new age of equality. I don't find the company of someone like that very appealing, regardless of gender.
At the end of the day though, stern compassion is my general policy and I'd still befriend one like anyone else. Hopefully I'd be a good influence
Holy shit these answers are depressing to read. Humanity is fucked.
Why does everyone need an agenda?
I, personally, don't give a shit about what genre or race someone is. I don't want to be around or work with people that are assholes or incompetent. If you've got your shit together I'm ok with you.
I understand that cis white men are advantaged, and support leveling the field, not because I want to "get laid" but because it's shitty to give anyone an advantage. We need to change the way we treat humans from an early age, and make sure no one gets left behind, but as adults? If you're going to be a firefighter, you need to meet the fitness requirements etc.. other than stuff like that, who gives a shit?
I'll respect his support of equal rights if he's not hating the entire male population including himself because those feminists we see on the internet has told him to do that. But I think the term feminism has just been ruined completely, and my general view on it all isn't positive, so I guess I'll be a bit cautious if I meet that. Either way, female or male, I'll take a step back.
Oh my God, this right here!
I suppose it depends on the guy. I respect anyone who supports equal rights, whether it's for women or anyone else. What I don't like is men who white knight, nor do I like the women who revel in it. It feels like these men either have a large problem with self-hatred, since they often go on about how terrible men are, or it feels like they're trying way too hard to win sex.
there are some folks who use the label who really do drive for egalitarian pursuits. but there is a dark triad of behaviors that are problematic among male feminists. first off male feminists tend to also seem to be accused of rape quite more often than the general abd it seems like there's a lot to watch out for, though that is a chicken egg problem. next at the line are white knights wanting to get rewarded for having similar interests or for fighting for the cause. then there are some truly emaciated manlets who just tell of socially conditioned self hatred.
Same as female feminists today (3rd wave), people who think they are entitled to and deserve things that most people earned with hard work with their own two hand, and they are just assholes to any female who isn't a feminist that they can't manipulate
Some may be showing their genuine support to women liberated from any biases. And some may just be making fun out it all like 'these dumb ladies out here again for their right let's have fun'. Ask them some seri I us question the ones that unit for real will reveal themselves as will the others.
Balless bastards lol. I'm not into oppressing anybody, I just couldn't give a fuck what most people are up to but you gotta know what you are and what you identify with. They should be seeing things from a mans point of view coz they're supposed to be men. You don't see deer emphasising with tigers or seals emphasising with sharks do you? They dont think you know what that poor cunt with the big teeth and snarling face must be hungry I think I'll let him catch me. You gotta be ruthless to a degree in this life if your ever gonna make things happen.
I'm one and you want to know why? I have daughters and granddaughters and sisters and a plethora of females who are important in my life and I don't want them to get fucked over just because they have a vagina.
And every other male should feel the same exact way and if they don't they're real douchebags or basically immature child men... which is the vast bulk of the male population of this website.
not being a feminist does not mean you want women to be f'd over. that makes no sense
You mean a guy who believes I can run a company as well as a man? A guy who agreees we should be allowed to vote, drive cars, run for office? Or a guy who is subservient to his female master? Feminism these days has all sorts of connotations. Too many actually. I prefer to be an equalist. One who knows what a mans strengths are, what a woman's strengths are and what tasks are gender neutral.
No, because I believe you probably could run a company and should vote, and drive, and run for office, but I would be HUGELY insulted if you called me a feminist or a "male ally" or whatever, because that label belongs to a powerful hate group that views me and my brothers as enemies to be hurt and destroyed and enslaved.
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And I don't appreciate old feminists teaching new feminists that their ideology has nothing to do with man-hating so that when men tell them they don't like feminism, girls think, "Oh, he must be a sexist and an 18th century patriarch."
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@Bananaman177 so you're an equalist too?
I believe in pure meritocracy. Enforced through constant competition and RIGOROUS evaluation.
Obviously this is not the society we live in.
I find most modern feminist annoying. It's like they really don't have nearly the problems that the previous generations faced, so they scream and cry all the louder.
That being said I autocross, and there are women that race with us. At anything above the local area, they are made to drive in a women's leage. This is stupid. Ovaries don't make you drive slower. Annoying.
There's a little bit of both. Some guys think it scores them points, others do it for actual conviction. Just like women. Some actually have a balanced and put together view on feminism, others just want attention or are full out men haters. By the way they speak and act, you can tell which individual falls under which category.
Part of me feels it's just another sexual strategy for men who are not very traditionally manly. None of the male feminists I've seen look like they've got much testosterone, they're kinda feminine, weedy little people that could be knocked down with a feather.
They listen to the social Marxism that radical feminists spew and they accept that ideology and then play up to women as allies in the hopes they'll win them over.
Obviously this is a generalization, there's exceptions.
I just laugh at them for calling themselves feminists instead of egalitarians. If it were about equal rights for men and women then they wouldn't call themselves feminists, instead they seem like they're trying to be empathetic towards women simply for the bonus points, especially when you see all these male feminists only ever focusing on women. Most feminist men I've seen act as though they're brainwashed, to which they probably are.
I must say it's really interesting how many male feminists turn out to have a history of sexual misconduct or end up in jail for whatever reason.
It would seem like they're either bad guys that try to purge a lot of guilt by flagellating themselves, or they're predators that see an opportunity to cozy up to women that seem to love the idea that they are vulnerable and who offer an excuse for male's misconduct; oh patriarchy/toxic masculinity made me do it. As long as they're willing to chastise themselves for it then their sins can be forgiven.
Both explanations neatly explain why they would kowtow to womenkind rather than actually be a liberal and stick up for his own rights as well.
I'm for equal rights, I believe most guys are for equal rights too. But I do not identify with the term "feminist" and I think it needs to be replaced. Too much baggage. Like, Hillary Clinton might have made a good president, but just too much baggage. No way to escape it. Say the word "feminist" and 50% of people make a sour face. Word is ruined.
I think they are just pussy whipped fools. I mean women already have more rights and special treatment than men could ever dream of nowadays so what's the point in being a female rights activist?
I don't respect people who say feminism is about equality. It was not and it will never be about equality which is perfectly fine for a female rights movement.
This guy hit the nail on the head
I think third wave male feminism is predominantly just "nice guys" trying to get laid by pretending they agree with all the stupid shit that comes out of third wave feminazi mouths. Male feminists are the dudes women need to stay away from, cuz they're the ones more likely to manipulate the fuck out of you and wind up abusing you in some way.
Well I think everyone should be a feminist. A feminist is someone who thinks men and women should be equal.
That's a feminazi.
It's not an "excuse". It's just the way it is lol
I agree that feminazis go too far. They want women to be superior to men, which is obviously dumb.
Feminists just want women to be treated equally (mostly by law, since social standards are difficult to change). For example some countries in Africa women can only go outside with their husband's permission. Things like that are obviously ridiculous and they should have the freedom to go outside whenever they like. That's what feminists are for.
Exept women have more rights then men in the west... oh social standards in africa need change then why are u here and not in africa instead of giving men in the west a hard time... the western woman is the most privileged demographic in ALL HISTORY while weatern men are fucked over by family courts mgm is still a legal thing unlike fgm... and as a feminist will u advocate for women to get drafted and sent to a sensless war to die... give me a break u talk about equality but the moment some1 dares to disagree with a feminist u pp call harassment and all this bs so dont give me the quality speech
Did I mention the west? No. I'm talking about men and women being equal. As I said, what you're talking about it feminazis.
Also, don't act like men in the west are oppressed, because they aren't.
No u didn't but feminism mostly exists in the west.. No im talking about feminism given that every sort of feminist will claim they stand for equality and the start screaming how all men need to be taught not to rape and #killallmen and " those are feminazis"... feminism is and allways has been a supremacist hate group
Also... fgm os illegal, the draft only applies to men, private contraception for men doesn't exist, the family court is basically rigged against men, only women have the right to legal abandonment of a child and not only can women get away with rape, if a woman rapes a man and gets pregnant then the man is held responsible for providing for the child he didn't chose to have he's also responsible for his rapist for the next 18 to 26 years in the form of alimony... did i make my point yet?
While I support Feminism, I have never called myself a Feminist for a few reasons. First and foremost, as a man, I have not experienced what life is like as a woman so I can't truly call myself a member of the movement. Secondly, most of the guys I've met who call themselves Feminists follow the same pattern: meek, hippy-dippy types who like tea and wear toeshoes and/or Birkenstock's everywhere. I ain't about that.
Historically, I would have said they were a little off the bubble. At least they are standing up for something. Stepping back and trying to figure it out tells me only one thing, those might be the smartest guys around. Either way, I guarantee that they meet more women than guys who aren't protesting alongside the women. Couple that with the fact being that they share a cause, and an event with the women of their choosing, all of which has those guys winning that round. But, will they have to always watch what they say, or live a lie? If so, they are the dumbest guys, because that would be hell. I'm sure that there are true believers and all types of hangers on that protest right next to the women for a myriad of reasons. I could be wrong, who knows, possibly karma is kicking them in the balls for life, and this is what is required of them for wrongs in a previous life, so they can move forward in their next life and be a step close to enlightenment.
Male feminists are the "Nice Guys" waiting to get laid as a payoff for their support. They lack any spine and sense of reality. Women are priveledged in most areas rather than held back. Women should stop complaining and work harder to enhance their careers and these guys should stop kissing their ass.
It's the lone way in life for them to get laid, you can buy their "enthusiastic march", and to any "real woman" who would sleep with one of these trolls, oh well. You'll know what U R.
I think they're trying way way too hard to have sex.
I think they're those guys that play the nice guy to try and get some vadge. You know, that beta semp cuck guy that will tell you that you look great even if you're fat. He'll poke just like I would... but he's willing to pretend, lie, and manipulate to get... you know what he wants to get. Just look at that dude in the picture... whata cuck.
I don't care if they're male or female. Most of the feminists are crazy afs.
Most feminists male and female think that they are part of a group of people working for the betterment of society. They believe that feminism is working towards equality and agree with the dictionary definition of the term. Most believe the academic information, and accept the basic premise of feminism. As such they are just good guys trying to do a good thing.
I think they're cool as long as they understand that just because they're feminists, they aren't necessary free of problematic thinking or actions.
When I was a feminist, I just said I was to get into girls' pants.
I think that is really the point behind people who are male feminists. I am not a feminist, and I'm glad I don't have to lie about my sexuality and my masculinity in the name of not offending women.
I'm a feminist too, you know... being a feminist doesn't mean you're a feminazi, real feminists support women's rights, unlike feminazis who want female supremacy.
"Women's rights" Nobody has rights, women or elsewise. Get over yourself.
@MasterofPlebs Get over yourself mr chauvinist ;)
The truth isn't chauvinistic.
@MasterofPlebs Of course, but you have no idea what the truth is.
In this case, yesI do. There are no rights. Get a grip and fuck yourself.
@MasterofPlebs Nah, you don't.
Just making up things which don't exist doesn't make you correct. Reality is reality, whether you like it or not.
@MasterofPlebs Sure, but you have no sense of reality because you are indoctrinated.
Thank you for MHO
Depends a bit. If one stick to the archaic definition which actually strived for equality, I imagine it'd be fine.
If they support some of the batshit crazy feminists now, I would they think they are deluded and pretty much insane.
Then there is the thing that some girls pointed out here, they like to do this just to get in the pants of women. Or that they become white knights, hate that.
Lol, this question validates every single claim about feminism not being about equality at all and only focuses on the rights of women. If it was truly about equality, a male feminist wouldn't be viewed as sketchy.
Just asked my mom this question she said they are probably gays lol
LOL. Your mom's funny. A lot of them do seem like lesbians
Do you stalk me Zeus? She is indeed
No. I was stalking someone else, and saw this question so I clicked it and saw your answer
Smooth, sounds like a real excuse 😋
I'm telling the truth
Oookey😁
A real stalker would never admit anyway
Nah, for real. I was stalking someone who lives on the other side of Europe.
And who if its not a secret?
If you mean men who think that women should have same rights and opportunities as men, then fine, no problem there. But I don't like the ones that hate their own gender as some weird apology to women.
Maybe trying to get some easy pussy. Oldest trick in the book, acting like he cares.
I've never actually personally known one.. but from what I see of them in news and blogs and shit. #weaksauce
The world would be dull and boring with feminism. I don't want to be judged for being a playboy, because it is "objectifying women". We probably dislike feminist dudes more than we dislike the feminist women.
Facts before Feelings!
Anyways, if you want to hang out, I'll be at the club... grinding and.. uhh... you know.
I think that any idea, presented by any person-- male or female or trans-- of any age, should be judged on its own merits and with logic. That is all. We often pay too much attention to labels that may not actually mean much, including feminism or its opposite (if there is such a thing), or whatever. Philosophy, reason, and logic matter. Everything else doesn't. Simple.
It's not that far fetch for men to just support equality without alterior motives
Annoying AF. I can't deal with any feminist period.
As long as they understand what they're fighting for, I have no issue with them.
Feminism is a load of crap, hasn't done anything but divide with fake stats. At least in the west.
Women have reframed it every wave, now its about equality for all. I've never met a feminist who really exemplified that.
The data for males isn't great at the moment either. Performing worse across schools/less university entrance, 4 x higher suicide rate, male loneliness etc.
Any feminist is bad, I don't care if they're male or female
They're a bunch of bitches and they are NOT real men.
I doubt for the most part that it's oppression in the form of altruism. I'd say by in large it's "attempting to get laid in the form of altruism." And as far as strategies go, it's probably not the most effective one in the world, but neither is it wholly ineffective.
For the most part I think it's effeminate men trying to get laid. I know that is generalizing and not always the case but for the most part that's what I think
Broken men that have no shred of masculinity left, who hope that their support gets them favors from the female they desire.
The worst kind of man there is: a slave!
I support gender equality and I don't consider myself a feminist but I think that you need to believe in others... Sometimes you can have a nice surprise...
White knights and would-be escapees from the friend zone.
It's not having the ideals of equality that's the problem, it's what third wave feminism actually is, and the sort of people who make a point of broadcasting that they are.
like pretty much everything else in life, you have a lot of people doing it for the wrong reasons, and a lot of people doing it for the right reasons. Online, I think most feminist men are just trying to get laid, tho..
Because you asked... I think that male Feminists are pathetic simps and leftards of the most contemptable type.
I hope that male and female Feminists are happy together. They deserve each other.
They're dumbshit cucks with no spine, who will day and do ANYTHING for a mere whiff of any gash. They're beta bitch cowards, scum, and traitors.
A black guy could have plenty of reasons to become a white power skinhead, if they would let him in. He could easily cite a million negative statistics associated with black people. Thy are all facts, 100% true. However a more intelligent person would be able to look at those facts and dig deeper. Find underlying causes, look at this complex society, economy, understand human behavior and psychology. I'd wager a deep thinking man would ultimately come to the conclusion that it's silly to be racist. At least that's how I see it. The same goes for feminists. There are plenty of facts out there to support either side and I'm sure whether you're conservative or liberal determines which ones you choose to pay attention to and which ones to ignore.
But most people want to just fling insults, demonize the other side, and act like assholes. If you want to prove that feminism is absolutely baseless, you ought to fight it with facts, knowledge, wisdom, insight or whatever. Stop prancing around spewing shit with your keyboard it accomplishes nothing in my opinion.
They're not oppressive, they're desperate. They're using feminism to get relationships with women, even if it attacks themselves.
Absolutely cringeworthy, they are defeatists who've sold out. Usually if these guys support feminism long enough, they'll eventually mess up which will cause the feminists to betray them.
I don't know about all of them, but the Canadian prime minister says he's one and I'm positive he just says it to get votes. I hate that guy with a passion.
I have no problem with them anymore than I would have for a female MRA - I don't mind once you don't force your views on me and whatever you support is legal and doesn't hurt/abuse anybody - Everybody is entitled to an opinion
It would be a turn off since I can't really stand to be around feminists in general.
I don't think anything of them really. Good for them for standing for women's rights but I still view them as normal people.
They are whims and often pretty toxic and manipulative. Also considering how many decently known male-feminists have showed to be very questionable beings ethically - it says a lot.
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