Are they good guys or is it just oppression in the guise of altruism?
What do you think about male feminists?
I think sometimes they're just disaffected males who don't like to see men succeed with women by using piggish, not nice ways of treating them from the perspective of them who, for whatever reason don't hate or disrespect women but remain comparatively unattractive to the ones they go for
Or its someone who is using feminism to hook up with feminists because they find them attractive physically or for being a part of the intellectual circles of the college they go to or websites they frequent
Still sometimes, it really is just a guy who doesn't want women to be disadvantaged for their gender & has taken to feminism with the actual goal of equality in mind, because they've either witnessed sexism or have read history of how things were for women before feminism appeared as a mitigating factor, deciding that its a virtuous path for them to take. I have my own views on the efficacy of feminism as a movement in the west, but I do think that without it the female vote wouldn't have happened so soon, & that countries like Saudi Arabia desperately need it. In this perspective I can sympathize with the male feminist who has good intentions, however, I think in the west there's a diversity of issues fueling inequality & that to identify as an egalitarian is just better & more efficient than to call oneself a feminist in the USA where I live. Not just because it makes you ideologically rub shoulders with extremists who use rape in the context of women who were blackout drunk as rationalization for saying that all sex between couples who were drinking is compromised, & counts as rape.
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Feminism is basically supporting equal rights for all. I think that a woman (should) has (have) as much rights and possibilities as a man. Due to the way how society and biology works this is currently not really the case. I met very capable male nurses and very capable female IT people, hell I even met female command's that would kill without the same hesitation as their male counterparts.
I can't understand that some men see this as 'collaborating with the enemy'. There is no enemy, there is only us, and us need to make things work in a honest way for all.
It depends. I know some guys who do identify as feminists but don't do crazy stuff like demonize their own gender nor cross dress so they break gender roles. Just normal guys who think we need more justice for women. The others who do follow crazy feminist ideologies I just think they are nuts like any crazy girl feminist and just want to be edgy and contradict. Just the same issues as any feminist, in my opinion.
In my opinion, the guys I know that identifyy as feminists but are not SJW's they just wanna have girls' approval. its valid since they are high school and college boys they might not be comfortable with sharing controversial opinions that might affect their luck with women lol. Cause if a man says we don't need feminism he will be labeled as sexist pig and girls might dislike him even if he does believe in equality just doesn't think the modern woman is oppressed and doesn't like third wave feminism. If I do say the same thing as a woman all that can happen is that some girls will dislike me but no man (unless its a sjw which is fine cause I dont ever wanna date one) is gonna care about it.
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Very important and not enough of them. It's very difficult to achieve equal rights and sexism if only women fight for them. Because most people who are sexist, don't have respect for them and don't listen to them.
For example, a man can help a woman in a case of street intimidation. They can teach their children not to do that in the future and can stand up for a woman if he sees it happening, because these men who do street intimidation, won't take shit from a woman, but will from a man.
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Like all questions pertaining to feminism, it all depends on your definition of "feminist." Everyone really should be a feminist in the sense of believing in equal rights for all people, including women. That's just a basic standard of humanity in my opinion, whether you want to call it feminism or not. I respect men who are willing to speak up against sexism, and I don't see how that could be oppression. However, I don't agree with radical feminists, male or female.
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Feminism is generally a bad influence on both men and women these days, but male feminists are extremely devious. They use it as an attempt to have sex with women because they think that by showing themselves as "protectors" of women's rights they will be accepted. Very often male feminists are disproportionately over-represented in cases such as sexual assault and rape.
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It's about equality, rights. it's standing up for your mother's, sisters, girlfriends, wives, rights. There is nothing wrong with that. Just because he happens to be at a female rights March or parade doesn't mean that he only cares about feminism or that he is a pussy or whatever. Maybe their girlfriend went or wanted to go and asked somwbpdy to come along, maybe he feels strongly that his grandmother had to stay home and take care of the family or fill a traditional role.
Who the hell knows the reason, if he's showing support for the opposite sex, if he davours them over his own sex, let him. Maybe all he has in his life are girls/women.
Of course if he's hating males then that's no equality, so that would be bad, and really the only reason to bash somebody - 357 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic.
Well, the difference between a male feminist and a female feminist is that with women, it's generally accepted that you're probably a feminist, even if you don't believe any of the baloney they're peddling today. They don't give it much thought and just instinctively say they are whether it's true or not. It's just expected of them.
Male feminists aren't like that. They went out of their way to align with the political movement because they find it the only moral answer to life. They're on the ''right side of history'' and they're the pioneers of this new age of equality. I don't find the company of someone like that very appealing, regardless of gender.
At the end of the day though, stern compassion is my general policy and I'd still befriend one like anyone else. Hopefully I'd be a good influence -
Holy shit these answers are depressing to read. Humanity is fucked.
Why does everyone need an agenda?
I, personally, don't give a shit about what genre or race someone is. I don't want to be around or work with people that are assholes or incompetent. If you've got your shit together I'm ok with you.
I understand that cis white men are advantaged, and support leveling the field, not because I want to "get laid" but because it's shitty to give anyone an advantage. We need to change the way we treat humans from an early age, and make sure no one gets left behind, but as adults? If you're going to be a firefighter, you need to meet the fitness requirements etc.. other than stuff like that, who gives a shit? -
I'll respect his support of equal rights if he's not hating the entire male population including himself because those feminists we see on the internet has told him to do that. But I think the term feminism has just been ruined completely, and my general view on it all isn't positive, so I guess I'll be a bit cautious if I meet that. Either way, female or male, I'll take a step back.
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I suppose it depends on the guy. I respect anyone who supports equal rights, whether it's for women or anyone else. What I don't like is men who white knight, nor do I like the women who revel in it. It feels like these men either have a large problem with self-hatred, since they often go on about how terrible men are, or it feels like they're trying way too hard to win sex.
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I'm one and you want to know why? I have daughters and granddaughters and sisters and a plethora of females who are important in my life and I don't want them to get fucked over just because they have a vagina.
And every other male should feel the same exact way and if they don't they're real douchebags or basically immature child men... which is the vast bulk of the male population of this website. -
there are some folks who use the label who really do drive for egalitarian pursuits. but there is a dark triad of behaviors that are problematic among male feminists. first off male feminists tend to also seem to be accused of rape quite more often than the general abd it seems like there's a lot to watch out for, though that is a chicken egg problem. next at the line are white knights wanting to get rewarded for having similar interests or for fighting for the cause. then there are some truly emaciated manlets who just tell of socially conditioned self hatred.
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Same as female feminists today (3rd wave), people who think they are entitled to and deserve things that most people earned with hard work with their own two hand, and they are just assholes to any female who isn't a feminist that they can't manipulate
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Some may be showing their genuine support to women liberated from any biases. And some may just be making fun out it all like 'these dumb ladies out here again for their right let's have fun'. Ask them some seri I us question the ones that unit for real will reveal themselves as will the others.
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Balless bastards lol. I'm not into oppressing anybody, I just couldn't give a fuck what most people are up to but you gotta know what you are and what you identify with. They should be seeing things from a mans point of view coz they're supposed to be men. You don't see deer emphasising with tigers or seals emphasising with sharks do you? They dont think you know what that poor cunt with the big teeth and snarling face must be hungry I think I'll let him catch me. You gotta be ruthless to a degree in this life if your ever gonna make things happen.
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You mean a guy who believes I can run a company as well as a man? A guy who agreees we should be allowed to vote, drive cars, run for office? Or a guy who is subservient to his female master? Feminism these days has all sorts of connotations. Too many actually. I prefer to be an equalist. One who knows what a mans strengths are, what a woman's strengths are and what tasks are gender neutral.
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I find most modern feminist annoying. It's like they really don't have nearly the problems that the previous generations faced, so they scream and cry all the louder.
That being said I autocross, and there are women that race with us. At anything above the local area, they are made to drive in a women's leage. This is stupid. Ovaries don't make you drive slower. Annoying. -
There's a little bit of both. Some guys think it scores them points, others do it for actual conviction. Just like women. Some actually have a balanced and put together view on feminism, others just want attention or are full out men haters. By the way they speak and act, you can tell which individual falls under which category.
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Part of me feels it's just another sexual strategy for men who are not very traditionally manly. None of the male feminists I've seen look like they've got much testosterone, they're kinda feminine, weedy little people that could be knocked down with a feather.
They listen to the social Marxism that radical feminists spew and they accept that ideology and then play up to women as allies in the hopes they'll win them over.
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I just laugh at them for calling themselves feminists instead of egalitarians. If it were about equal rights for men and women then they wouldn't call themselves feminists, instead they seem like they're trying to be empathetic towards women simply for the bonus points, especially when you see all these male feminists only ever focusing on women. Most feminist men I've seen act as though they're brainwashed, to which they probably are.
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I must say it's really interesting how many male feminists turn out to have a history of sexual misconduct or end up in jail for whatever reason.
It would seem like they're either bad guys that try to purge a lot of guilt by flagellating themselves, or they're predators that see an opportunity to cozy up to women that seem to love the idea that they are vulnerable and who offer an excuse for male's misconduct; oh patriarchy/toxic masculinity made me do it. As long as they're willing to chastise themselves for it then their sins can be forgiven.
Both explanations neatly explain why they would kowtow to womenkind rather than actually be a liberal and stick up for his own rights as well. -
I'm for equal rights, I believe most guys are for equal rights too. But I do not identify with the term "feminist" and I think it needs to be replaced. Too much baggage. Like, Hillary Clinton might have made a good president, but just too much baggage. No way to escape it. Say the word "feminist" and 50% of people make a sour face. Word is ruined.
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I think they are just pussy whipped fools. I mean women already have more rights and special treatment than men could ever dream of nowadays so what's the point in being a female rights activist?
I don't respect people who say feminism is about equality. It was not and it will never be about equality which is perfectly fine for a female rights movement. -
I think third wave male feminism is predominantly just "nice guys" trying to get laid by pretending they agree with all the stupid shit that comes out of third wave feminazi mouths. Male feminists are the dudes women need to stay away from, cuz they're the ones more likely to manipulate the fuck out of you and wind up abusing you in some way.
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Well I think everyone should be a feminist. A feminist is someone who thinks men and women should be equal.
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