I do before anybody says I don't. And if you say I don't believe it happened then I am going to make fun of you for not bothering to read.
I ask this question because there's a lot of people in the pro Hamas crowd who absolutely deny the Holocaust and it's disgusting.
My friend's grandpa was a WW2 vet. Her dad had a trunk full of pictures that the grandkids took as evidence for the army when they opened the gates of one of the concentration camps. He wouldn't show them to me, he said he didn't want to change my life like that. I asked what's in the pictures. He said piles of dead bodies 5 stories high of people that were starved to near death, and much much worse. He didn't even want to talk about it. Gruesome twisted evil shit. When my friend's dad died, she said he would never show the pictures to her. She opened the trunk after he died and said she wished she didn't. I didn't get a chance to see them because her uncle came and took all the grandpa's stuff after her dad died
m It happened my grandfathers brother (great uncle) was part of the UK Tank regiment that liberated Belsen Belsen.
https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/liberation-belsen
Between the Nazis, Japan (WW2), Stalin, Pol Pot it really does show how low humanity can go and it’s treatment of others.
Yes, it did happen. And there were way more people involved in it then the Jews. We even read a book about someone going through the Holocaust, which was awful. You're literally denying actual history if you think it never happened.
My great auntie was in one of those camps. A german, even. The allied soldiers got to her the day before she was to be executed.
Amen. We don't bring up the details at dinner. But if you get her alone, is amazing what she tells you.
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I don't have to believe it happened. I know it occurred. That's what brought about the 'final solution' that had been tossed around since before the Balfour Act.
Hey, Juxt, how'd you like how I slipped that term in there?
Obviously it was propaganda to malign that vegetarian animal-lover, Adolf 🤡😶🙄
Did that sound sarcastic enough?
Yes... but in school they taught us that black people were sent to concentration camps. I don't believe that's true because I saw a documentary about a black woman who was the child of some African ruler & very high ranking NAZI officials basically adopted her and she was openly living in Germany and free to go wherever she pleased the whole time of WWII and was not harmed. But maybe that is the protection of VIP status too, eh?
Of course it happened. Same as Hamas attacked Israel and killed 1500 and took several hundred hostages.
Quick Q: How many hostages has Israel rescued vs them being released? Also how many Palestinian children have died vs Hamas “soldiers”?
Just think Israel’s right wing govt is trying to overplay their military hand to cover up their dismal failure to block a terrorist attack. Ask Bush W his thoughts on that.
"Israeli government spokesman Avi Hyman on Monday reinforced Netanyahu’s message, saying that the Israel Defense Forces had killed more than 14,000 terrorists and approximately 16,000 civilians since the outbreak of the war on Oct. 7.
Israel is setting the new gold standard for urban warfare with what appears to be the lowest civilian-to-combatant casualty ratio in history,” stated Hyman."
www.jns.org/.../
Didn’t say they were. But children have died in the thousands from Israeli bombs. “Official” stats say 16000 children alone. You say it’s Hamas propaganda. Fine but even half that would be your hip number.
8000 dead children and you’re cool with that.
In the meantime, Israeli special forces surgically attacked Hamas and recused four hostages yesterday. Thats more success than they’ve had in the whole war.
"killed more than 14,000 terrorists and approximately 16,000 civilians since the outbreak of the war on Oct. 7."
That's literally almost one for one which is pretty unheard of for conflicts in the region and is revolutionary in urban warfare.
If you want to blame somebody for dead children, blame Hamas. You are not some general who would be able to lead Israel to victory and do it better than them by the way.
They're certainly not taking precautions
@DrPepper12 bullshit.
@Juxtapose like Hamas, i would trust what Israel or the US classify as “terrorist” killed.
Stupid ass experts who care about life. They ruin everyone’s good time, don’t they?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKgFjty1YHo
No, I don't believe the Holocaust happened, I KNOW it happened. It's historical fact, proven with an abundance of evidence.
I don't believe in Holocaust because of the mere fact that there isn't any sort of evidence that it happened. I shouldn't prove that it didn't happen, you have to prove that it happened.
What? Well-documented? How could any consider trials in which the prisoners undergo horrible acts of torture? How could any believe the confessions of those whose testicles were crushes during interrogation? How could anyone believe a pre-staged OSS-Hollywood psy-op operation to give the trials superficial legitimacy and validity? Even some of the most prominent American politicions questioned the fairness and legitimacy of the trials at the time, including Senator Robert Taft and later US President, John F. Kennedy. He endorsed Taft's remarks in his Pulitzer-winning book named "Profiles in Courage". There are many people who took part in the trials in some way or another, who admit to the confessions that were forcefully taken from the prisoners, including Judge Edward Van Roden who says in Washington Daily News and Sunday Pictorial:
"The investigators,” he said, “would put a black hood over the accused’s head and then punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses. . . . All but two of the Germans, in the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair.
Who would believe trials in which the executors clearly violate the Geneva conventions regarding prisoners of war?
This is also a link to a Guardian article explaining how the British tortured the captive in violation of International Law:
www.theguardian.com/.../topstories3.secondworldwar
It's not as well-documented as you think it is. More than being evidence for Holocaust, it's evidence for further atrocities carried out by the allies after the end of the war against German POWs.
Study "real history", instead of being taken in by whatever that is fed to you by the Media. History is written by the victors. There is no actual evidence whatsoever for Holocaust. Even the simple fact that there was a seemingly never-ending number of alleged survivors is enough to debunk the Holohoax myth.
On the contraty, whatever crime you attribute to Germans, the Allies committed a thousand fold. Search Holodomor, and see what the Communist Bolsheviks did to millions of Ukrainians and Russians, search terror. Search Katyn Forest massacre. Soviets literally massacred 10,000 Polish officers in an area called Katyn Forest, and guess what? Nobody talks about that. Everyone talks about the German invasion of Poland, but not the Soviet invasion that took place from the East. Britain and France didn't even declare war on the Soviet Union and left the Polish defenseless against the Communists. Search the rape and genocide campaign carried out by the allies against the German civilians! They didn't even show mercy for little girls. Search the British and American aerial bombing of Dresden during which they literally burned the innocent citizens to death by dropping incendiary bombs. Who perpetrated the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagassaki? Who waged war against Korea? Who waged war against Vietnam? Who attacked Iraq? Who attacked Yemen? Who is massacring the people of Palestine? Nazi Germans?
As I said there is no actual evidence for the Holocaust, all of what you recognize as evidence, were manufactured after the end of the war to "make up" evidence for the Holohoax, mostly by the same Soviets who themselves need to be tried and punished for the crimes they perpetrated against innocent people.
I don't need to visit Auschwitz because all necessary information is out there and some so-called survivors at some point admitted to some of the truths. That they had swimming pools in Auschwitz, they had orchestra bands, and other sorts of entertainment. All of this is a testimony to the shaky basis of Holohoax claim.
Bodies are in the ground
Difficult... no... impossible, that anyone would deny the Holocaust occured!
NO ONE IS "PRO HAMAS" Just stop right there.
@Sasahara so anon trolls? Who cares! It's not reality!
Ofc you have proof, sources and examples of this, right?
@DrPepper12 The idiots posting the Pro Hamas bullshit cares enough to do it… Either way, even if you are stopping at pro Hamas to avoid them denying Holocaust being called disgusting, you didn’t replie to the original question if you belive Holocaust happened or not.
@Sasahara when did I become a Holocaust denier? The Shoah happened
@DrPepper12 I never said you were a Holocaustdenier, I said you stopped reading at Hamas to ignore the rest of the sentence in the description.
Jux wrote "I ask this question because there's a lot of people in the pro Hamas crowd who absolutely deny the Holocaust and it's disgusting."
You read "I ask this question because there's a lot of people in the pro Hamas" and wanted to stop right there after pro Hamas.
@Juxtapose Yeah, I have noticed.
@Juxtapose In this case, maybe because they don’t want people to feel that Holocaust denying is bad… But weirdos bring up Hamas even when there is no mention of Hamas… (or Palestine, Israel or jews) The reason I used Gal Gadot as an example is her Instagram posts gets spammed by this bullshit. Mothersday post? "Will someone pwease think of the poor little terrorists"
These freaks are weird. They even hate on jews they defended until last year. Like Neil Druckmann. Now they hate him and call him Zionist… For stuff he also said in 2020. Which they defended then. Voice actor of Dr Eggman from Sonic, Mike Pollock got harrassed off Twitter because he felt sorry for hostages held by Palestine.
To be totally fair, I can’t say for certain regarding DrPepper here, as I have not intereacted much with him or read much of his posts before this conversation.
@Sasahara I was replying to the lower thread, not top question. I still maintain that virtually no one is pro Hamas. If you find one, then yes Holocaust denial wouldn't surprise me
It happened. Whether I give a shit about it or not is another matter though.
Of course 100%
prove the holocaust encampment sights.
i've seen the pictures. it doesn't mean anything
the jews created hollywood. they created video and edited pictures. why would i believe it?
@Sevenpointfive are you really that much of a denier. Do you also deny Pol Pot did not have the Killing Fields, that Japan experimented on live POWS, Chinese and Koreans, that Stalin slaughtered millions of his own people or are you just erm selective on which horrendous massacre you believe?
@RebelinSteel no. i only deny the holocaust. i also deny oct. 7th
let's not say that. i don't need to get banned again lol
i'm sorry i disappointed you. i am not a hateful person in general.
@Sevenpointfive that is very very offensive.
So are you saying that numerous eye witnesses, including my relations who were there are lying.
What proof do you have that it never happened?
Or are you just being a very offensive troll on the site?
@RebelinSteel if you keep telling yourself that it happened i'm sure it makes it more real. especially to someone that didn't experience it. and your grandparents probably heard this story as well and kept telling it to others. but they have NO PROOF either. it's a story based on lies. lies that are passed down turn into things like BIGFOOT. wake up friend
As I said you are calling my g Uncle and a bunch others liars. There were 1000’s of soldiers, resistance members killed in concentration camps. POWs were also sent to concentration camps.
www.wollheim-memorial.de/.../britische_kriegsgefangene_in_auschwitz
No doubt you will get another account and spread more lies.
@RebelinSteel i'm not saying that jews weren't killed. but i don't think the cleansing was about jews. and for you to think that is racist. there were many more victims than jews from the holocaust!
@Sevenpointfive too bad for you there are people alive who have actually experienced the Holocaust and there is as much evidence as any prosecutor could ever hope to have.
@Sevenpointfive to reply to this quote of yours “ i'm not saying that jews weren't killed. but i don't think the cleansing was about jews. and for you to think that is racist. there were many more victims than jews from the holocaust!”
See this is where you are literally putting words that i did not say into your rubbish, at no point in any of my posts have I mentioned Jews.
At no point did I say it was, I actually said that French Resistance, Allied POWs were sent to the camps. The camps housed Gypsies, Homosexuals, people with mental health issues such as Autistic, communists, Russians and other deemed Untermensch.
www.theholocaustexplained.org/.../
There were numerous Europeans of various backgrounds sent to the camps, it was simply Jewish people, it was also anyone the Nazis deemed to be not wanted.
By denying it happened you deny how all those Europeans were murdered, that includes Canadian, American and British POWs who were in concentration camps, some of those survived, some were murdered there.
@Juxtapose and 3 million people (half the jews) don't have a voice?
@RebelinSteel then we agree. as long as you don't claim it was a jewish persecution
@Sevenpointfive there was a written agenda, the Jewish in society had been one of the targets and reasons for the Nazis gaining power, however there were not the only ones.
The link below covers a lot of it
Roma
Disabled people including mental disabilities
Political prisoners - all types but mainly communists
Gay men - and Bi
Lesbians - and Bi
Jehovah's Witnesses
Black people - including any level of mixed race.
www.theholocaustexplained.org/.../
If you lived there in the 1930-1945 and were not on the list of non aryans desirables then you were safe.
The big problem denying these things take place is that it allows them to occur again, imagine your government deciding that disabled people, gay people were to much for society and simply disposed of them, future generations would deny it happened.
To quote from the link
Sterilisation and imprisonment
One of the most extreme actions taken against black Germans by the Nazi authorities was the mass sterilisation of the Rhineland Children in 1937. The Rhineland Children were 600-800 children who were the offspring of German women and black French soldiers who had occupied the Rhineland following Germany’s defeat in the First World War. The children were seen by the Nazis as a particular biological threat to the German ‘Aryan’ race due to their mixed heritage. In order to prevent the children having children of their own, 385 children were secretly sterilised, shortly before most of them reached adulthood.
Some black people were also imprisoned in concentration camps and forced labour camps during the Nazi era.
@RebelinSteel that's a lot of black people being persecuted. and i don't condone slavery. i want the blacks to go back to africa. they need to go home. it's where they belong! you can't rehabilitate and assimilate at the same time. that goes for any race creed or color.
Of course I belive its real
yes it happened.
It was in the news.
And the news never lie.
I don't deny what happened. I just tried to express that the media decide what we perceive - and what we DON'T.
Has it crossed your mind that some groups within the Jewish community exploit the incident financially, and also for their own propaganda ever since?
On the long run... WHO are the victims?
And ''we'' are still made to pay for that.
The Inka's and Maya are almost gone as well.
Personally, I have no dealings in all this. So why should I get involved?
I can't help that. It's past, and can't be undone.
My passport claims that I'm German :)
Duh really
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