What are your thoughts on the silent holocaust?

[Anonymous]

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[WhiteSteve]

My thing is just that there are like 8 billion humans on the planet, which is wildly out of whack with what nature probably intended for, I’d estimate there should maybe only be like 1 billion humans. I don’t have anybody specifically targeted, lmao, I can be one of the cuts too if it came down to it, but I keep coming back to “there are way too many of us and there really shouldn’t be.” Anything that results in a drastically lower human population has my support. We can go ahead and birth all babies and just exterminate already-alive people if that makes anyone feel better😂 Basically I’m “pro-nature”, and I’ve identified humans to currently be the biggest threat, so the more of us that go away, however we got there, would be the most desirable outcome. I don’t consider humans to be any better or more important than any other species, so I’m not really a proponent of doing things that extend the human lifespan unnaturally, contributing to over-survival, and subsequently overpopulation. Simply put, the Earth has a human infestation problem, so while I don’t specifically think of abortion as a method to directly influence this, when it happens, I don’t see it as a bad thing, since I don’t see humans as a good thing, with respect to the planet we live on.

[WhiteSteve]

By the way, I’m not suggesting a literal mass extermination on purpose, I’m just saying if something happened and like 7-out-of-8 people vanished, I wouldn’t be in any hurry to repopulate. We’re kind of just screwed in reality. Just wait til we start fucking up other planets too, YIKES, lmao

[madgoat]

You sound pro-Thanos.

[Twalli]

@madgoat I was about to say the same thing, Thanos like extermination. It makes sense though, we are overpopulating the world. Before now every time the world became more urban a plague would reduce the urban population enough to keep us contained. Maybe the flu pandemic of 1919 or COVID-19 was the world's way of trying to stop this, there are probably other instances that I don't recall, but it hasn't happened. The Black Death was the last plague to reduce humanity's numbers by a big enough margin to ensure it wouldn't explode as it has. We are trying to spread the limited resources we have far more than they could ever be spread.

[SpokenTruth]

You could literally take all 8 billion and fit them in a state like Texas with plenty of room left for everybody. You could fit them all in LA county I believe it was if I have that right. You have bought into a mythical lie and if you actually believe it you are brain washed.

[Twalli]

@SpokenTruth And provide for all of them what they need?

[SpokenTruth]

@Twalli Providing for all those people wouldn't be a problem if there weren't a certain group buying up all the resources to control the world. And that is the real problem.

[Redstang88]

You guys really didn’t read what he wrote, did you? He wasn’t proposing or advocating extermination, just acknowledging that we are wildly overpopulating the planet.
And @SpokenTruth, that’s bullshit and you know it. Just because you have the physical space doesn’t mean you can support the population. There’s a reason a pack of wolves have a territory of dozens of not hundreds of square miles - top species need a lot of resources to survive, nevermind the absurd excess of our modern society

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Foetuses are sentient. Before a big-enough brain developed, abortion should be OK. After a brain develops, what’s the difference between foetus and baby, apart from inside or out? It’s a wee sentient soul. They have feelings. If babies are unwanted, say no to sex. Are rapes really that common? I daresay that rape which caused a kid is not as common as an abortion. Both are disgusting. Is abortion after waiting a few months really cheaper than to buy the pill and take it?

PS I’m a proud antinatalist and realist.

[Cassie88]

Yes, the whole silly argument that is often used that "they would only live a life of neglect and suffering, therefore they're better off dead", has always been something I could never really understand or relate to. Some have even pushed it to the extent that a baby that wasn't aborted would only end up living in poverty due to the current circumstances of his or her mother, and that's even worse, because they're basically saying that it's better to be dead than poor.

Abortionists have no empathy, no compassion, and no souls. They don't understand logic very well either.

[Asker]

Yes. Would they wipe out the whole of the third world

[WonderBell99]

dude.. you do know the difference between humans who are actually living and have lived for a few months or years and fetuses that cannot survive outside of the mother's womb, right? because you comparing a mass extermination of poorer countries/the holocaust with abortions is hilarious and asinine af. just makes you sound dumb and also, you sound like female hitler 2.0 with the whole self righteous speech going on.

people who live in third world countries are people too and right now, you definitely do not sound like you give a shit about "life"

[Asker]

@WonderBell99 kinda the argument the naxis used

[WonderBell99]

naxis? you mean the nazis? Honey, I dis not propose "wiping out the whole third world", it was YOU, and YOU are the one who brought up the holocaust here. I was merely pointing out your idiotic, disingenuous comparison.

Not only are you disrespecting Jewish people by comparing the holocaust with abortion, you are also supporting stripping off women's rights.

[Asker]

@WonderBell99 there was other people murdered in the holocaust besides Jews. Slavs, gypsies, Catholics, Orthodox Christians

[Cassie88]

@WonderBell99 "... humans who are actually living..."
So are they not human or not alive? Or both? Do you understand what a living organism is? What it does, how it grows, how it requires sustenance? If they're not human, then what are they? Elephants? Spiders? Monkeys?

[SpokenTruth]

@WonderBell99 Human's don't mate with objects and if you think a fetus is anything other than a human being you have been effectively brainwashed with evil.

[loveslongnails]

That's not the entire "argument", but rather one point in a host of many. The real discussion remaining concerns when life, as we choose to define, begins. At one point in history, even the Catholic Church had a policy that allowed abortions prior to what they believed was the "time of ensoulment", and even though we can't actually prove when that occurs, it's the most valid, non-emotional point to date, and an extremely esoteric one.

However, what if you don't believe in souls? That's yet another discussion. Science can't "prove" they exist, yet religions are fully committed to the idea as a fact not open for discussion.

It's very easy to employ emotionally tugging phrases such as "better off dead than poor - is that what you're using to kill babies?" But the reality is, today's staunchest "pro-lifers" are really "pro-birthers". In the USA, the party that uses anti-abortion as a selling piece is the very same party that consistently votes down programs to help single moms, poor families and poverty stricken populations. This INCLUDES not just funding foster care, but allocating money to hire enough social workers to make sure these kids are not growing up in a fucked up horror show, like most of them do whether you choose to accept that or not.

I wonder what the discussion would look like if there were irrefutable proof that:
a) humans DO have souls, but
b) they don't get assigned to a developing fetus until after 24 weeks

[7barbieringz]

Y'all are focused on the wrong part of this overall situation.

Ever think women are so against having kids because the state of the economy fuckin sucks? Most people can't afford to take care of themselves let alone an child they didn't plan for

The abortion debate is a distraction from us demanding better conditions

[DaisyM23]

i think people should find a better word for abortion rather than holocaust. you can be for or against abortion for whatever reason but the fact is abortion can actually save the life of the mother at times and helps make sure girls/women don't have to go through unwanted pregnancy (unplanned but also from rape) which also ensures that children don't grow up in bad homes and potentially have bad futures - the holocaust was the mass GENOCIDE of jews and other 'undesirable' groups by the nazis solely because of who they were

[Sirenboobzilla]

Neutral. But I will defend a woman's right to choose.

Side note: a woman should NOT be forced to carry the child of her rapist, nor be forced to carry a fetus that could kill her

[Sirenboobzilla]

I don't give a good God damn what the percentage is. What causes rape? Well why don't you tell me. I'm certain it takes a rapist mentality to defend the act of rape vs the victim. You wanna talk morality? Why don't you tell me what morals grown ass men have when they go and rape young girls and get them pregnant. The morals you speak of I'm willing to bet come from a 2000 year old book that most of its readers tend to pick and choose what they like from.

And, before I forget, I sincerely hope no one in your family gets raped, save for you of course. There's my evil thought of the day.

Sincerely,
Get fucked

[Asker]

I'm just grateful I wasn't executed in my mother's womb

[Agape93]

Good for you. I wish I was.

[Perverted_Creep]

I didn't get any notification of replies. But I sure wrote a maximum length message to lecture the admins.

@Agape93 you see it? No? You've got pains? We all have. That doesn't mean destroying the world is the solution.

[Sirenboobzilla]

Lecture the admins for what? You've peaked my curiosity

[Agape93]

See what? And what are you talking about, destroying the world?

[Perverted_Creep]

Heal yourselves. I get it when you suffer the catholic schoolgirl syndrome, you need space.

That doesn't make the truth any less true. The truth is we cannot have freedom on earth as long as the majority believes in moral relativism. And the rulers aka dark occultists know it.

Once you've got alleviated from the csgs, consider that restricting your rights to abortion is immoral of itself. Again, if you can't get that ancient scroll out of your mind, maybe shove it somewhere it doesn't bother you. Even that stupid book gives instructions on how to induce miscarriage herbally.

[Agape93]

What on earth are you talking about?

[Guy___]

@Agape93 you may wish you weren't born. Because the conditions suck. So do we give up or improve the conditions? And one thing we should all notice, is that there used to be a pyramid where the younger generation keeps it balanced.

But I'm wrong for saying destroying the world. It's allowing the dark occultists who rule this world to turn it into hell.
The dark adepts who work to destroy the human soul.

It's only getting worse, the conditions of slavery worldwide are getting more harsh.
Sure I get called "conspiracy theorist" and people only manage to ignore it as long as they have comfort.

And again, shove the biblical dogma elsewhere, mainstream christianity is also 100% controlled by the dark occultists.

[Agape93]

@PrettyPriya looks like a double account here. Guy and creep

[Sirenboobzilla]

@PrettyPryia we've got a double!
@Guy__ and @Perverted_Creep are one in the same!

[Guy___]

Yup. Most people own a second account in case if the first gets frozen.

[Sirenboobzilla]

That's against the rules dummy

[Guy___]

Haha rules..
This is an example of what reminds me of the old quote. "Religious people do what they're told, no matter what's right. Spiritual people do what's right, no matter what they're told"

Rights over rules. Rights are what is right, based on universal objective morality. I harm no one, it is my right.

And yes if people haven't noticed, I have been writing "hey mods, if you see this you're welcome to freeze my accounts" for over a month.

[Agape93]

Hey @PrettyPriya your comment and tag is gone

[PrettyPriya]

@Agape93 Now who would do that? I doubt very much that admins would remove that. If the asker did it, I am most disappointed for obstructing what is an obvious and major violation of site rules.

[Agape93]

Also look below at the user objectively moral. Suspicious to me

[Asker]

@Agape93 having high morals used to be something to aspire to.

[Agape93]

It also gets people killed. Besides, I have morals. Ours just don't align.

[Sirenboobzilla]

It is very naive to assume your morals are of the highest standard with 8 billion people across the planet. 8 billion with different backgrounds, cultures and belief systems

[HippieVeganJewslim]

a raped mum should just take the pill. no sentient being would get killed

[Sirenboobzilla]

Not always an option. It's not 100% effective and you have to have $50 lying around at the ready. Sentience is also irrelevant as most people who terminate a pregnancy do so within 6 weeks, whereas a fetus gains conscious thought around 5 months

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Thank you for information

[RolandCuthbert]

I have four letters for everyone who claims that this is about murder or some "holocaust". . .

y. . . a. . . w. . . n.

Why make disingenuous arguments? Instead of pretending you give a crap about life, just tell us your real concerns.

[Asker]

The numbers are there

[RolandCuthbert]

And the lies are all over this forum. There isn't a s single pro-birth person here concerned about life. And it is insulting to think you can trick people into believing such nonsense.

[Asker]

I'm concerned about life I'm glad I was allowed to live.

[Agape93]

You're concerned about control, not life. You don't give one fuck about the life those kids will be born into, or the mothers life. You just don't like other peoples choices, regardless of why it's done, and seek to remove their rights to choose. That's tyranny.

[Bananas83]

Im pro-birth. How about for those people such as myself who can't have kids and have adopted children? What about us. So don't sit and say that we don't give two craps about kids in the system. My question would be, what are YOU doing to help the situation? I'll wait

[Agape93]

Not contributing the the existing problem.
People like you can adopt kids who already need it. You know, the ones who actually need a home.

[Asker]

@Agape93 I don't have to like other people's life choices anymore than they have to like mine, I just have to accept them just as they have to accept mine.
You might not like my life choices but I've always tried to be responsible for my own body and the consequences of any poor decisions I make and that's not tyranny more self control.
I think your issue with my personal opinion is rather more to do with your own personal issues you have with the three abortions you've already had. It's not uncommon I've spoken with abortion survivors in my church group who harbor feelings of remorse for the unborn children they chose to abort, they mourn for their children.

[Agape93]

If you seek or desire us to to lose our rights, yes, that's tyranny.

As I said, I have no remorse for it. I'm more irritated by you comparing a medical choice to a genocide. Even for me that's fucked up

[Bananas83]

It's that whole idea of my body my choice until it's time for the vaccine

[Asker]

@Agape93 the right to life is also a right. I don't see how abortion is a right, more of an allowance

[Agape93]

Sure, but not at the expense of another's life or wellbeing.
Abortion is a right as it falls under the human right of bodily autonomy, meaning ones own body is under one's own control. Meaning if I want to do something with my body, I will. If someone is in my body without my express permission, I have every right to remove em.

And to cut you off before you start, a fetus does not have any right over it's unwilling host.

[Bananas83]

I'm not allowed to comment on this post anymore

[Bananas83]

@agape, well there are things called condoms if you don't wanna have babies!

[Asker]

@Agape93 and was your body not under your own control when you allowed yourself to get knocked up? Are you not responsible for that decision?

[Agape93]

Of course, that's why I paid $500 each time to correct the mistake.

[Agape93]

Responsibility is more than just pushing out a goblin.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Bananas83 What is this statement have to do with a woman who chooses abortion? Or who's life is in danger because of her pregnancy? Or a 12 year old girl who was raped? Nothing you post approaches logic. There will always be children to adopt. And if you want to lower the number of abortions one way would be to work on making sure children go to loving homes and are well taken care of when they are given up for adoption.

As for my personal choices when it comes to parenting, I don't know what that has to do with this situation. I use contraception because I do not want to be a parent. Oddly enough, the pro-birth crowd is even interested in legislating contraception.

[Asker]

@Agape93 have you ever been diagnosed with sociopathic tendencies? Not trying to be funny or insulting

[Agape93]

Nope

[Asker]

@Agape93 might want to look into that.

[Agape93]

Nah, I'm not a sociopath. I have a lot of issues but aspd isn't one of them

[Bananas83]

Abortion is murder and y'all call it a medical treatment to cover up your sense of guilt

[RolandCuthbert]

@Bananas83 You can claim that it is murder all you wish. Just stop pretending anyone is buying the argument that you care about life.

[Bananas83]

I do care about life. I clearly see that you don't tho

[Bananas83]

The fact that you can just dispense of a life cause it's an inconvenience to your way of life is messed up

[RolandCuthbert]

@Bananas83 I don't make disingenuous arguments. I actually believe in the things I confess.

You are a totally different thing. . . altogether.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Bananas83 The fact that you think that is my position is so much worse.

[Bananas83]

How so, I mean if you know me so well, explain to me what or how I'm different. I believe in the right to life, I believe every baby should have a chance. You believe in murdering a baby for the convenience of living YOUR life. You live a selfish life

[Bananas83]

You're claiming the same argument, making a claim that you know how or what I believe in!

[Bananas83]

Arguing with people like you is comical. Because in reality, you have no idea what you even stand for. You're a such a lost soul, it's pretty sad in a way. I feel bad for you, I do. I know my beliefs, and I stand by them and I will die for them

[RolandCuthbert]

@Bananas83 You can post that from here until eternity. You will not convince me. And it is impossible to debate someone who does not believe in the points they are making. It is only because you believe banning abortion supports your political goals. And I have done that too many times during the abortion debate, taking someone at their word that they have a real concern about the possible life growing inside the mother. So when you stop being disingenuous and divulge the real reason why you have to involve yourself in a decision a woman that you do not know and do not care about is making with respect to carrying a pregnancy to term, then we can have a real conversation. Until then, you feel free to keep reposting same garbage in a vain attempt to convince me that you give two cents about the life of the fetus, the mother, the homeless guy I saw today, anyone who disagrees with your narrow politics, etc. I wish you good luck.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Bananas83 Yes. You seem to have trouble reading. So I keep reposting the same thing.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Bananas83 I know exactly what I stand for. And when you find the rational line of thought that permits you to ask, I will tell you.

You call me a lost soul? You feel sad for me?

Don't. . . please.

Feel sad for the tired saps who buy the lie that you give a crap about anyone's life, save the other members of your cult.

[Bananas83]

I don't get involved with thr politics of abortion. I believe that all life is created and should have the right to live. I never said anything about politics. As a Christian, that's my stance when it comes to life.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Bananas83 So you are not involved in the politics of abortion. But you involved yourself in a discussion about the politics of abortion?

[Bananas83]

I mean really you're stuck on me "thinking" I don't care about life. That's your only argument.

[Bananas83]

I don't care about the politics. I care about the baby growing inside the woman that doesn't have a say in any of it

[Bananas83]

The exact life you don't give 2 shits about

[RolandCuthbert]

@Bananas83 Yep, i am sticking with that argument.

You finally got it!!!

Hooray!!!

[RolandCuthbert]

@Bananas83 Oh, then you have not heard. The federal and state governments are now involved in this discussion. You might want to get read up.

[Bananas83]

Yup, you're all about killing the innocent life of a baby.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Bananas83 Sorry, I ain't you.

I don't make disingenuous arguments.

[Bananas83]

I understand they are, but the government shouldn't be making decisions for the people. The govt works for us, not other wah around

[Bananas83]

You should read up on that!

[RolandCuthbert]

@Bananas83 So why are you arguing with me?

[Bananas83]

I'm gonna make a guess, you're clearly about my body my choice. I get that, you're probably also one of those that thinks everyone should get the vaccine cause you believe the lie the govt told you!

[RolandCuthbert]

@Bananas83 Who are you talking to?

You don't have to guess what I think. You just need to ask.

Your whole train of thought on this subject has been absurd.

[Apple1996]

Using the word holocaust here seems pretty offensive to Jewish people. Even more offensive since jews for the most part support abortion

[Asker]

As long as you don't mention Palestine

[HippieVeganJewslim]

I’m a Jew and know that holocaust is a synonym for genocide. Rabbi is against abortion. @irishgirl02 many Palestinians did get murdered by Israeli government folks and soldiers. would that be a wee holocaust?

[Asker]

The earliest use of the word holocaust to denote a massacre recorded by the Oxford English Dictionary dates from 1833 when the journalist Leitch Ritchie, describing the wars of Louis VII of France, wrote figuratively that he "once made a holocaust of thirteen hundred persons in a church" where they had gone to seek refuge when the town of Vitry-le-François was burned by Louis' troops in 1142. The English poet John Milton had used the word as a poetic description of the self-immolation of a phoenix in his 1671 poem Samson Agonistes.
In the late 19th century, holocaust was used in 1895 by the American newspaper The New York Times to describe the Ottoman massacre of Armenian Christians. In the early twentieth century, possibly the first to use the term was journalist Melville Chater in 1925, to describe the burning and sacking of Smyrna in 1922 in the context of the Turkish genocide against Anatolian Christians. Winston Churchill (in 1929) and other contemporary writers used it before World War II to describe the Armenian genocide of World War I. The Armenian Genocide is referenced in the title of a 1922 poem "The Holocaust" (published as a booklet) and the 1923 book "The Smyrna Holocaust" deals with arson and massacre of Armenians. Before the Second World War, the possibility of another war was referred to as "another holocaust" (that is, a repeat of the First World War). With reference to the events of the war, writers in English from 1945 used the term in relation to events such as the fire-bombing of Dresden or Hiroshima, or the effects of a nuclear war, although from the 1950s onwards, it was increasingly used in English to refer to the Nazi genocide of the European Jews (or Judeocide).

[Apple1996]

Still would not use this word to ever explain abortion

[HippieVeganJewslim]

thank You, Irish Girl. one invented definition erases another not. Nazi genocide murdered more than just us jews.

[Anonymous]

Can't we see that there is a covert dark religion, members of which already have enslaved us and aligned most of our thoughts and behaviors to what they want, trying to destroy the human soul? We don't need to study hundreds of thousands of occult lectures to figure that out.

And now fucking we argue about whether such a thing as objective morality even exists.

[Agape93]

It's a stupid ass concept. It's a fetus, the damn thing looks like a melted sour patch kid. If I showed you a pictures of animal and human embryos, you wouldn't be able to tell the damn difference.

I've had 3, I have no regrets and feel no shame for my choices. Nobody should feel ashamed or have regrets for doing what must be done for their wellbeing.

[Asker]

I dont understand. Why did you need 3 abortions?

[Agape93]

Birth control failed twice, once I just wasn't on it. So, remove the problem once it arose.

[Asker]

... uh huh

[Agape93]

Mhm.

[jshm2]

Don't be a jackass, it's not a "holocaust". No one is out there hunting down, rounding up, and then exterminating babies enmasse.

Secondly, it's more poor choices, than default position, for woman who have abortions.

You make it look like women are getting pregnant every month so they can have the "fun" of an abortion.

It's a complicated and emotional thing for many.

[Asker]

Babies don't get a choice.

[Agape93]

Babies are also not involved in abortions. Babies are born.

[Asker]

@Agape93 yes that's why unborn babies are called babies

[Agape93]

That's just an emotional term. They're called fetuses, embryos or zygote, depending on the time frame of development

[Asker]

@Agape93 emotions are what humans feel. Serial killers don't.

[Agape93]

I don't have much empathy, least of all for parasites. Don't try to elicit compassion where non exists

[Asker]

@Agape93 I'm starting to build a picture of who you are.

[Agape93]

I doubt you can quantify me. You couldn't even grasp the concept of not feeling regret.

[Asker]

@Agape93 yes but I'm human.

[Agape93]

No shit, so am I. Congrats

[Asker]

@Agape93 are you sure?

[Agape93]

Not entirely, depends on who you ask.

[Bananas83]

@agape13, so you don't classify it as a child at 9 months?

[Bananas83]

Yeah but there are plenty of women who choose not to wear a condom, then decide oh illl just get an abortion because it's not a life. Sorry not sorry but it's a life. You've been swayed to much by the left and the stupid media who is paid and bought for. Turn off the media and formulate your own thoughts!

[Lliam]

"Silent holocaust". Give me a break.

It's easy for pro-lifers to externalize the costs onto someone else. Blame the mother. Fuck her AND her child if she doesn't have the resources to be a mother. All the while virtue signaling about reverence for life.

[Berethor]

I am fairly neutral about abortion, polish law make sense to me, not gonna raise rapist child.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Poland

[Bananas83]

But how is that the child's fault?

[Berethor]

It's not, but he has the rapist's genes, and it's like giving a reward to the rapist.

[Bananas83]

But if that child is put into a good home, he may still have those genes but it's how he's raised. In a good home, he would do just fine

[Berethor]

Nature vs nurture, I believe in nature, and giving birth is a hard work, it's not worth it.

[Bananas83]

So you just toss that baby to the side like it's no bug deal. K

[mstbooblover]

Too much demagogy. The subject is already difficult enough. No need to add sentimental bullshit. Keep in mind for instance the huge quantity of seeds produced in nature, and the little % that actually will germinate if falling in right soil and right climatic conditions. No one has to emit any judgment about a woman's decision in the field of this topic. No offense meant.

[Astarlessnightsky]

Its a disgusting way to belittle the death of millions of jews and other people, who were worked to death and systematically being killed. The holocaust was so cruel and disgusting there is no other thing you can compare it to.

[Asker]

They got to be born.

[UCrayCray]

@irishgirl02
Why?

[artsy_dragon]

100% agreed @Astarlessnightsky

[Bklynbadboy12]

I think this is a very insensitive post abortion is bad yes I agree but the Holocaust was something completely different there people were hunted down and systematically slaughtered nothing and i mean nothing compares the the holocaust and slavery there to thing that when I think of that make me ashamed to be human there to ugly nasty stains upon humanity that can never be removed

[Guy13]

Abortion is premeditated murder where protector initiates first kill upon the defenseless like Putin did.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

The wrong part of the quote is the word "child" and "in the womb" together. A person who is raped, abused, mistreated or whatever is already born and they already have a reputation and a social image as a human being. A fetus is not born which is why it is called a fetus not a child.

[Fuentes]

Yeah I'm not pro life because none of you do anything about the dead babies in the garbage & sewage pipes but it's left up to the first responders to get PTSD and deal with it meanwhile you get to sit at home and cry about babies should not be killed but they should be abused and not killed in the womb but they all should just deal with it right? hahaha wonderful just wonderful lol

[Reece12345]

It's horrible. It shows us what terrible things human beings are capable of. And the kinds of people who did this cannot be forgotten. We need to remember that this can always happen again, today.

[Soteris]

Really really stupid because abortion is not killing babies any more than condoms are.

[Asker]

If you'd ever carried a child inside you or had a miscarriage you'd say different

[Soteris]

No I would not. Also that would not give me any more legitimacy. We do not rely on people who have inherent biases for an objective answer because their personal emotions gets in the way.

[Asker]

You've never carried a child.

[Agape93]

I have. He's 100% correct.

[Asker]

@Agape93 no you said you terminated your 3 children

[Agape93]

Correct, I never said I carried it to term.

[Agape93]

And no, I never terminated a child. Just fetuses.

[Asker]

@Agape93 foetus is just terminology to describe the stage of a baby's develop.

[Agape93]

Baby is, yet again, just an emotional term.

[Soteris]

Egg is also just terminology to describe the stage of a baby's development.. so is sperm.. Does not make them any more of a baby though.

[Asker]

There isn't a baby until the sperm fertilises the egg

[Agape93]

There isn't a baby until it's born

[Asker]

@Agape93 just thd unborn baby.

[Agape93]

Correct terminology please

[Agape93]

Again, correct terminology. Sending me an article with people using incorrect terminology doesn't mean anything. The correct terms are embryo, zygote or fetus.

[Soteris]

What sort of argument is that? "There isn't a baby until the sperm fertilizes the egg"? That literally changes nothing. Still makes them part of the, and I quote "Baby's develop"

[abc3643]

Try to think of abortion as "blocking" on social media.
When you block someone, you do so because you don't want them around and/or they are or will be making your life too difficult.

[OddBeMe]

Of fetuses without brain activity or a nervous system?


I’m more worried about 1 in 5 actual kids starving to death in the US.

[Perverted_Creep]

And billionaires focusing more resources on aborting lives than feeding the poor.

[OddBeMe]

@Perverted_Creep how so?

[HippieVeganJewslim]

ain’t those embryos? if we could convert all animal farms to orchards there’d be way more food

[OddBeMe]

So you think billionaires are wasting money and farming space on embryos rather than food?

[Asker]

Billionaires create the conditions for children ti starve.

[OddBeMe]

@irishgirl02 True, but also conditions to make money.

[Asker]

When you've that much money you tip the scales in your favour so the little guy can't make money. It's all happened before.

[OddBeMe]

Oh absolutely. The playing field isn’t level by a long shot. But sometimes my liberal buddies get too “das Kapital” and I have to remind them that capitalism has brought half the worlds population out of poverty.

But you’re right, because it’s pushed the other half deeper into poverty. Zero sum game.

[Asker]

True but you've got to remember the difference between capitalism and oligarchy

[OddBeMe]

True again. That’s where das kapital comes in. There’s a middle ground we can inhabit and not destroy the world. We’re not there yet. :)

[AmeerX]

Gypsy and Roma people were also killed but they never got same recognition or reparations as Jews.

I don't hate Jews but Other people and ethnicities should also get treated better

[Asker]

There was something like 6 million non Jews

[AmeerX]

1.5 million Gypsies were killed. That's nothing.
And about 20 million Casualties of USSR are recorded. We can't put figures to them.
I am saying both should be repatriated. Jews have been give some monetary compensation but Gypsies and other groups have not been recognized as widely. You must have heard of Dr. Josef Mengele. He killed 1500 plus twins in his twisted experiments. The thought is revolting to think

[AmeerX]

Oh sorry I thought you said 6 million Jews

[Asker]

I mean I n the actual death camps. 1.5 million gypsies is a lot, there might only be 10 million or less today. Was probably half or more of their population. 6 million Jews was half the world's Jews in the 40s. There were a lot of evil nazi doctors. The Japanese killed 35 million Chinese and had their own evil doctors

[AmeerX]

Exactly. All lose of life was terrible.
I don't encourage War but lately I will tell you one thing. I feel people dead in War had less suffering then the survivors :/

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Gypsy is just an offensive word for the Roma. i reckon 13M people got murdered in Auschwitz. black people, intellectuals, disabled, and more also got killed.

[AmeerX]

@HippieVeganJewslim I talk to Gypsy people. They don't seem to mind it. Gypsy are people from Pakistan and India. My region. I am happy when I find one. I mean people really hate them next to Slavs and Gopniks you can say but they are loyal and faithful

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Nu, I’m Russian and I hate them not. We say tsygáni.

[AmeerX]

@HippieVeganJewslim ❤️.

Hey if you meet a Gopnik, please take a picture and share with me too ))

The Tsygani as you say are from Pakistan and India. Mostly Rajasthani.

I am from Georgia and we went to India back in the day 😁. We really respect Stalin here. I understand he is a complex personality

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Stalin killed more people than Hitler did. Stalin starved them. Just because I and Putin have same nationality, doesn’t mean that I like his ideas. Many Deutscher and Austrians hate Hitler.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

What’s a Gopnik?

[AmeerX]

@HippieVeganJewslim you really don't know about Gopniks? They live in Russia

[AmeerX]

@HippieVeganJewslim yes his policies ended up starving people but look at British and Bengal and famine in India

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Heard about that as well. I hate not Russia or Georgia or any country of UK, but hate the genocide and starvation.

[Asker]

Look at the Irish famine. The population of Ireland is still fewer than pre famine times

[AmeerX]

@HippieVeganJewslim true I can understand.

@irishgirl02 yes Ireland potato famine is a famous example. But your people could flee in the old days. Now, in modern world of Visas and travel restrictions, if you think about my country, the only place we can run in my country is the sea. That's the only escape 😬

[HippieVeganJewslim]

i find that horribly sad. @ameerx is Your country Pakistan or Georgia? I was born in Manhattan, live on Tenerife, and Soviet Russia is still my country.

[AmeerX]

@HippieVeganJewslim I am a Pakistani but I don't feel like I belonganywhere.@HippieVeganJewslim I want to be free of nationalties.@HippieVeganJewslim I want to be rid of this burden

[HippieVeganJewslim]

🖤 You can still be a proud citizen of Planet Earth. Did G-d establish any national boundaries (Grenze/границ)?

[AmeerX]

@HippieVeganJewslim God didn't but humans did. I wish sometimes I could just run from it all but then I would be denying God

[HippieVeganJewslim]

I sure hope You see
G-d made You and me.
We ought to live His way
And serve Him every day!

Love humanity. Love life. Love nature

[AmeerX]

@HippieVeganJewslim can I ask you something. Why do I feel the way I do!

[artsy_dragon]

Leave the holocaust out of your abortion debate. Don’t desecrate the memory of female survivors while taking away women’s right to choose.

[exitseven]

All of a sudden I care a lot more about this issue . What needs to happen is it must be determined when an embryo becomes a baby .. It is more than 3 weeks but not ten minutes before the baby is due

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Comparing abortion to the Holocaust? If this is not satire whoever said it is simply ignorant or mentally ill.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

She means genocide. Holocaust and holocaust are two things. mind the Capitalisation

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@HippieVeganJewslim change the word "Holocaust" for "genocide" and it also works. Genocide has nothing to do with abortion.

[Asker]

The earliest use of the word holocaust to denote a massacre recorded by the Oxford English Dictionary dates from 1833 when the journalist Leitch Ritchie, describing the wars of Louis VII of France, wrote figuratively that he "once made a holocaust of thirteen hundred persons in a church" where they had gone to seek refuge when the town of Vitry-le-François was burned by Louis' troops in 1142. The English poet John Milton had used the word as a poetic description of the self-immolation of a phoenix in his 1671 poem Samson Agonistes.
In the late 19th century, holocaust was used in 1895 by the American newspaper The New York Times to describe the Ottoman massacre of Armenian Christians. In the early twentieth century, possibly the first to use the term was journalist Melville Chater in 1925, to describe the burning and sacking of Smyrna in 1922 in the context of the Turkish genocide against Anatolian Christians. Winston Churchill (in 1929) and other contemporary writers used it before World War II to describe the Armenian genocide of World War I. The Armenian Genocide is referenced in the title of a 1922 poem "The Holocaust" (published as a booklet) and the 1923 book "The Smyrna Holocaust" deals with arson and massacre of Armenians. Before the Second World War, the possibility of another war was referred to as "another holocaust" (that is, a repeat of the First World War). With reference to the events of the war, writers in English from 1945 used the term in relation to events such as the fire-bombing of Dresden or Hiroshima, or the effects of a nuclear war, although from the 1950s onwards, it was increasingly used in English to refer to the Nazi genocide of the European Jews (or Judeocide).

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Obviously many assume that murder of foetuses ain’t murder

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@HippieVeganJewslim because it isn't.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Today what we call "The Holocaust" was the extermination of Jews, blacks, homosexuals, mentally hill, etc by the Nazis. Even if it was used before to name other mass killings, it would still be a beyond ridiculous comparison to abortion.

[Twalli]

So you'd support abusted, rsoed, unloved, and otherwise tortured kids as opposed to not putting someone through that?

If we don't know if they'll suffer, then that's different. Everyone has the potential to suffer.

[Anonymous]

It’s a disgusting hijacking of a word used to elevate pearl clutching to couch fainting. I guess they know their audience, because it‘s working.

[FunkyMonkee]

What a stupid thing to say!
What's a silent holocaust?

[Asker]

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[FunkyMonkee]

An egg beater,

[dustybiker]

There is more to this medical procedure than most people care to research.

[LimitedBenefits101]

You are absolutely right

It blows my mind how some women are ok with murder and even celebrate it🤮

Such women should be avoided at all costs.

[Dargil]

You go beyond my weak kneed defense of some abortions. Consider me slapped.

[CuriousMufuxka]

Those don't sound silent at all! Also not a holocaust. More like silent suicide and an abortion statement.

[SmokinAces2000]

The Mayan genocide? Well of course it was a horrible event

[Asker]

Did they not committ genocide?

[SpokenTruth]

I DESPISE CHILD MURDERS. That is how I feel.

[Summeroflove]

Yeah I think you’re 💯 right

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

I'm pro-choice and staying that way.

[CA4444]

🤮 I’m leaving gag honestly

[misogynistic_pig]

I am anti abortion in all cases.

[Redstang88]

Don’t really care, none of my business

[jimmy2]

You so right