How does trump think he could prevent ukraine invasion if he was the president and how does he think he can stop the war without funding ukraine?

[Anonymous]

[normalice]

He doesn't think he could stop the Ukraine invasion. His plan would have been to validate whatever putin said so that putin didn't have to invade - instead just walking right in and taking it with no resistance.

Trump’s focus on 32-year-old Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gershkovich, who was arrested by Russian officers in March 2023 and is currently on trial for the trumped-up charge of espionage, is telling. The State Department considers him “wrongfully detained,” a rare designation indicating that the person is being held by a hostile government as a bargaining chip. That designation means the U. S. government will do all it can to secure his release.

At least three times now, Trump has interfered with those negotiations by vowing that Russian president Vladimir Putin will release Gershkovich for him and him alone. He said it in Thursday night’s CNN debacle, where he also made a big deal out of the idea that Putin will do it as a favor, without an exchange of money.

He said something else in his slurry of words that jumped out. Somewhere in his discussion of Putin’s invasion of eastern Ukraine in February 2022, Trump said: “Putin saw that, he said, you know what, I think we’re going to go in and maybe take my—this was his dream. I talked to him about it, his dream.”

Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s 2019 report on Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election explained that Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign manager and then conduit to Russian operatives, in summer 2016 “discussed a plan to resolve the ongoing political problems in Ukraine by creating an autonomous republic in its more industrialized eastern region of Donbas, and having [Viktor] Yanukovych, the Ukrainian President ousted in 2014, elected to head that republic.”

Manafort had helped to get the pro-Russian oligarch Yanukovych into office, and when Yanukovych fled to Russia after the Ukrainian people threw him out, Manafort was left unemployed and in debt to other oligarchs. When he went to work for Trump, for free, he promptly wrote to his partner Konstantin Kilimnik, whom the Republican-dominated Senate Intelligence Committee identified in 2020 as a Russian operative, asking how “we” could use the appointment “to get whole,” and made sure that the Russian oligarch to whom he owed the most money knew about his close connection with the Trump campaign (p. 135).

The Mueller Report continued: “That plan, Manafort later acknowledged, constituted a ‘backdoor’ means for Russia to control eastern Ukraine” (p. 140). The region that Putin wanted was the country’s industrial heartland. He was offering a “peace” plan that carved off much of Ukraine and made it subservient to him. This was the dead opposite of U. S. policy for a free and united Ukraine, and there was no chance that former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, who was running for the presidency against Trump, would stand for it. But if only Trump were elected….

And, in November 2016, he was.

According to the Republican-dominated Senate Intelligence Committee, Manafort’s partner and Russian operative Kilimnick wrote that "[a]ll that is required to start the process is a very minor 'wink' (or slight push) from D[onald] T[rump] saying 'he wants peace in Ukraine and Donbass back in Ukraine' and a decision to be a 'special representative' and manage this process." Following that, Kilimnik suggested that Manafort ‘could start the process and within 10 days visit Russia ([Yanukovych] guarantees your reception at the very top level, cutting through all the bullsh*t and getting down to business), Ukraine, and key EU capitals.’ The email also suggested that once then–Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko understood this ‘message’ from the United States, the process ‘will go very fast and DT could have peace in Ukraine basically within a few months after inauguration’” (p. 99).

According to the Senate Intelligence Committee, the men continued to work on what they called the “Mariupol Plan” at least until 2018.

In Thursday night’s debate, Trump insisted that Putin never would have invaded Ukraine on his watch (although Putin in fact continued his 2014 assault during Trump’s term, and Trump tried to withhold support for Ukraine).

After Russia invaded Ukraine again in 2022, Jim Rutenberg published a terrific and thorough review of this history in the New York Times Magazine, pointing out that Putin’s attack on Ukraine looked different with this history behind it. Once Biden took office in 2021, the many efforts of the people around Trump, including most obviously Rudy Giuliani, to influence Ukrainian politics through their ties to the White House were over.

“Thirteen months later,” Rutenberg wrote, “Russian tanks crossed the Ukrainian frontier.”

[NaultD]

He would give funds to Russia to actively invade Ukraine. All western allies wouldn't give funding to Ukraine.

The Russia military exercise on Ukraine would be over in a week as planned if trump was president. Finland would be next. Poland would call all of nato into war. Don would side with Russia creating the cluster fuck of World War 3 where people gamble on each side with with being usa an Asshat abandoning all responsibilities they held.

This is why don is a threat to global democracy.

https://newrepublic.com/post/183240/trump-spoke-putin-dream-invade-ukraine

[Asker]

Yeah bro

[strateguy632]

how can you forget, trump ALREADY was president that didn’t happen.

[strateguy632]

trump ALREADY prevented that war, as long as he was president

[Anonymous]

The only thing more delusional than him thinking he's got any control over that are all the people in America that think every last thing that goes on in the world is up to their president. Luckily for the rest of us, this pattern of awful leaders is losing them what's left of their influence around the world.

[Asker]

Yes, I think they don't understand that usa is a liberal constitutional and much more institutional state than dictatorships like russia etc..

[Opinion Owner]

Indeed, Trump is just bragging about his negotiation skills. Yet he couldn't handle that Pelosi lady. Just bravado. He has no power to stop anything without their congress agreeing too.

[strateguy632]

the real delusional is ignored: that putin waited until biden time to attack!

[Danny_dan92]

Here’s some facts for you lady:

Biden traded a known arms dealer for a stupid ass basketball player that didn’t look up international laws specifically Russia laws. Not to mention the amount of distain this player had towards our country prior to her arrest in Russia was very prominent. Ironically after her arrest she all of a sudden loved America 🤡

Secondly, Biden also released unfroze a LARGE sum of funds to Iran… not long after the beginning of the current war in the middle east started.

You might be asking, “what does this all mean?”

It means our current president is fucken stupid and weak. And every national leader knows this and they’re capitalizing on it

[hahahmm]

Ukraine is already invaded. Think he said if he had been president the past 3 years Russia would not have launched the new invasion they did. Of course the war would end if Ukraine had no funding since they would be forced to make peace.

Keep in mind that in the Afghanistan war, the US government accounting agency looked at all the books & says 90% of the money is unaccounted for. You can bet that most of the money supposedly going to the war in Ukraine isn't actually doing what they say it's doing.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Putting myself in his shoes, I imagine he would have threatened to add Ukraine to NATO and would have negotiated better trade deals for Russia so they could have an avenue to become a more center stage, trusted country.

he could also play middleman and twist Ukraine’s arm so to speak into agreeing to a mutually beneficial deal of come kind involving trade, tax, citizenship, infrastructure etc.

Putin genuinely believes in communism. He believes in Russia and is responsible for arguably the most successful version of communism ever. At least that I know of.

There are other feats he could achieve besides taking back land that would be good for his legacy he seems to care so much about.

Biden to that end backed him into a corner, gave him no options and did everything possible to incite violent conflict.

[NamerOfStars]

He could've prevented (or at least delayed) the invasion of Ukraine via unpredictability; he might've responded by giving them nukes, or invading Maryland. Russia's elections are as legitimate as Zimbabwe's, where Mugabe would routinely get 110% of the votes. Putin can wait; he'll be president until he dies. This isn't really a GOOD thing on Trump's part, but Ukraine probably wouldn't've been invaded if he'd been reelected.

Trump thinks he could stop the ongoing war because he's a narcissistic blowhard who probably thinks he could Genghis Khan out of attacking the Khwarazemids.

[Syntosi]

I disagree. The reason Putin invaded Ukraine was because he was running out of time. Having USA become unpredictable has the exact opposite results since the best response to unpredictability is to speed up your plans so that there is less chance that they become disrupted.

Delaying the invasion in Ukraine is very unrealistic without turning back the clock many decades and lay down a longterm strategy back then. Any action you take to disrupt Russia or boost Ukraine simply prompts Putin to go faster so that you do not mess up his plans further.

[NamerOfStars]

@Syntosi That would require Putin to be stupid enough to make NO plans for what would happen if he couldn't win the war quickly. It's not like the guy doesn't know how wars there work; he saw it when he seized Crimea, if nothing else.

Nor is he "running out of time"; he'll be in office as long as he's alive, like I said. And Ukraine clearly demonstrated that its only plan to defend itself was "hope NATO comes to save us". Recall that they REJECTED offers to join, out of fear that would provoke Putin into attacking. There was no reason for him NOT to delay; it's not unrealistic at all

The man is not stupid enough to START a game of nuclear brinksmanship with a more populous, richer, and better-armed country.

[Syntosi]

The time-limit Putin was working under was not him losing office, it was Ukraine aligning with the EU and NATO. In other words, it was Ukraine leaving the Russian sphere of influence that triggered Putin to invade and put them "back in their place". The war was motivated by a loss of control, as a last ditch effort after "peaceful" means (such as political corruption) had failed to secure Ukraine as a Russian puppet state.

Putin did not really have a backup plan for what would happen if Russia failed to invade Ukraine because of two reasons. First he thought it was too unlikely and secondly because failure was simply not an option in the first place. Russia HAD to win or Putins entire plan for Russia would collapse.

As for Ukraine, they did have plans for how to defend themselves. Ironically, they did not need them. The Ukrainian defense plan which they had even cooperated with USA in training for involved fighting an asymmetric war against Russia. Think of the middle east and you got the idea. The standing military was supposed to hold off the Russian army long enough for Ukraine to organize insurgency cells at which point the military was supposed to disperse and join the resistance. This however changed once Ukraine was simply able to hold Russia off in a traditional capacity which later evolved into what we see today.

Ukraine exceeded their own defense plans by orders of magnitude which they simply were not prepared for. That is why it appeared that they did not really have any plans, because they were planning for an entirely different scenario and it took a while to realize what was happening and to adjust the plans.

[DryGermanGuy]

I doubt even he believes that. It’s just a random non-fact he beats into the airheads of his cult followers. Years and years later we are still waiting for his healthcare plan, his infrastructure plan or just his fricking tax returns. But I am sure they are all sooo amaaazing and the best eeever, we have tears running down our faces.

[Danny_dan92]

Because Putin and leaders from other nations that we aren’t aligned with know that our current administration is an absolute joke. Biden is brain dead and is weak.




Just look at it from a basic human fundamental, say a gang. Or take it way back to times where we humans were primitive.




Tribes, gangs do not fuck with others that have strong, bold leaders. They provoke ones that have spineless leaders that are cowards. This is why, basic human psychology. Not to mention Biden legit traded a known arms dealer for a stupid ass basketball player. That says a lot about how stupid and weak our current president is.

[Dargil]

How does trump think he could prevent ukraine invasion if he was the president
By superior negotiating skills. When he frees oil and gas, he will make Vlad an offer he can't refuse.

and how does he think he can stop the war without funding ukraine?When he stops funding them and negotiates a deal, it will stop.

[exitseven]

When Trump was president the United States had the best military on the planet and we had a president who knew how to negotiate from a position of strength.

We now have a military that has been decimated from the inside by liberal DEI policies. We also have a president who has been compromised because his family has taken millions from Ukraine and the Big Guy got 10% of the ill gotten gains.

[Anonymous]

He kept Putin under control when he was president and Putin unleashed on Ukraine as soon as Biden was in office to show he was in charge, not Biden. Trump would bring it back under control on his first day, before his first day he said during the debate. Trump knows how to debate. Biden doesn't know how to do anything and half a million people died as a result.

[strateguy632]

1, because that is what trump DID as president he prevented putin. 2 by negotiating. he even got 3 muslim countries to recognized israel too! arab emirate bahrain n Morocco

[ProbablyClueless]

The invasion of Ukraine simply wouldn't have happened. Putin respects Trump.

[In_Trance]

Please...

[Anonymous]

Biden is the president.