So are we all felons in the USA?

[Juxtapose]

According to people who are against Trump, if you commit a felony it doesn't matter if you are convicted or not, you are a felon. But get a load of this..

"While the United States has just 5 percent of the world’s population, it houses 25 percent of the world’s prison population. That’s more than any other country, even including Russia, China, and Iran.

There’s a number of reasons for this. The war on drugs, the rise of profit-making prisons, racist policing, and badly written laws all play their part.

In fact, Harvard University professor Harvey Silverglate estimates that daily life in the United States is so over-criminalized, the average American professional commits about three felonies a day. That’s astounding." (Citations will be provided below)

So did you catch that? Americans commit an average of three felonies a day. So therefore without even being convicted, all Americans are felons. With an average of 3 felonies a day I have over 38,000 felonies!

So.. might want to reconsider how you define someone as a felon unless you want to criminalize the entirety of the USA population.. although that would be a Soviet Union Stalinist's wet dream.. yeah it all makes sense now. I see what the game plan is!

https://athlonoutdoors.com/article/how-many-felonies-does-the-average-person-commit-in-a-day

https://ips-dc.org/three-felonies-day/

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This also has the added effect of "find me the man and I will find you the crime" being extremely easy to implement. If you want to nail somebody, you can mail somebody no matter how innocent they have been in life.

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Autocorrect changed "nail", nothing I can do about that.

[NaultD]

The game is rigged. make as many laws as possible so anyone gets arrested for anything and people who can pay to get out of trouble go free. Just like monopoly.

George Washington respect the court of law and jury of peers so much he would trade it to the right to vote. For majority of history we respected that. Then we got this

"You want to know what this [war on drugs] was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying?

We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.

Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

~ John Ehrlichman, Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon.

Blood is on conservatives hands on this.

[Juxtapose]

Well let's be real, the founding party of the Ku Klux Klan was never exactly great for black people either.

There are so many laws you can make any person a criminal.

[NaultD]

The whole point of American democracy was a grand experiment pushing the limits of humanity toward a better future.

The only time the American Dream dies is when we rest on our laurels.

Resting on our laurels is the definition of conservative values.

[Juxtapose]

Not really, no. They preserve traditions that work. For example, your parents teach you manners such as please and thank you because it works and it has a good track record of working. We go by capitalism instead of communism because capitalism actually works, having a functional border actually works, being able to defend yourself actually works and so on.

I certainly don't agree with them on that religious nonsense or how prudish they are though.

[Juxtapose]

We should be hyper focusing on the constitution, The Federalist papers and bring America back to the original vision of the founding fathers.

[NaultD]

George Washington said fuck you to a god appointed king. Create modern democracy that was laughable at the time but is the global standard today.

Fun little fact karl mark was pen pal with the 16 president Abraham Lincoln. Seeing how the civil war was destroying our country. If Abraham Lincoln assassination didn't make a kkk democratic member president that the usa would way more socialist by the historical republican party.

[NaultD]

Our greatest strength was balancing the power of all of our government not form the letter of the federation.

It took mitch from the house robbing obama ligament duty to replace supreme court justice. From there don had become king above all of and future law.

[Juxtapose]

Karl Marx is an idiot who got over a hundred million people killed with his bullshit philosophy and economic system.

Socialism is not good.

You talk as if the Democrats don't do everything possible to prevent Republicans from appointing Supreme Court justices. They even go as far as proposing increasing the amount of justices in the court just so they can dilute the influence of the conservatives.

[NaultD]

So your saying there isn't a human nature in respecting the work you have done?

[NaultD]

Someone else can and will rob you and you just accept that fact as cock sucking whore and find dignity in that?

[Juxtapose]

I don't understand what you're getting at.

[NaultD]

Pick up a book and figure out some philosophy.

My personal favorite is fredrick neichze.

[NaultD]

https://youtu.be/xxrmOHJQRSs?si=Rkba9ySAgKCqp-qw

Mabey appreciate to the topic

[NaultD]

Just before you look into the abyss and the abyss looks back.

The whole point of the American revolution is "taxation with representation."

Now think of the next logical step 100 years later? Your labor is important to your own humanity. So what is a government of the people by the people to respond to this new revelation?

[Juxtapose]

No, communism doesn't work unless it's in a very small group of people who buy in. It has never worked.

[NaultD]

How about how USA has representatives as small as our countries?

[NaultD]

I'm not a anarchy libertarian who thinks tax is theft. For the greatest country to live comes a tax. I'm even saying there's a lot of tax like heathcare. Anywhere freemakets fear to tread.

There's a fuck mega ton of details and conditions but don't be scared of them we'll figure it out in due time.

My main point is let the freemakets do what they do best and understand it can't do everything.

From there let our tax dollars make life better where the free market fears to tread.

[Juxtapose]

So what of it?

We already do with welfare.

[NaultD]

Yes this is half ass charitable to make the rich feel better but it doesn't solve the issue like civil service activityshould be. No half measure.

You're close to ronald reagon thinking that created EMTALA

en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act

I also think he help people get free healthcare for dialysis machine and that's the only free healthcare just because. The whole world was set up for universal health care at this point and usa was primed then the red scare.

Instead of the government working for the people they just actively rob us blind like today and call it capitalism.

If they help us call it communism

[NaultD]

Hey I know it's hard for you to accept that everything you know is ass backwards but I'll help you when ever I can. Take it one step at a time. Just know I'm taking one drink at a time being the existental philosopher i am.

[NaultD]

ONE MUST IMAGINE SISYPHUS finding happiness.

[Juxtapose]

Your well being is YOUR responsibility unless you're disabled. Communism creates bread lines, starvation, etc.

Social safety nets are fine, capitalism is fine. No system will be free from human corruption but capitalism is best.

[Juxtapose]

Medical stuff is easy to solve. Expand medicare and cut overspending like war bullshit.

[NaultD]

Hey hey you're spelling out the hardest of leftist with that last statement.

Why is it different when I say it from the beginning compared to what you just said?

[NaultD]

Are you getting to understand blue hair feminist screaming at the sky to people like you?

At the end of the day the fight is worth fighting for just to make tomorrow just a little bit better. A day to potentially make a new ally. New friend potentially I hope. I always hope for that. i just know tomorrow is always going to be better one way or another.

[Juxtapose]

I am a classical liberal.



That's roughly my position. I believe in negative rights and individualism.

But of course social safety nets, within reason, is great. Social security keeps the elderly alive.

[Juxtapose]

But I can totally envision a society without SSI but the culture would need to be on point.

[Juxtapose]

Kids would need to take care of their parents.

[NaultD]

The right fashist will kill you in their camps as much as myself so start figuring you're own shit out right fucking now.

https://youtu.be/XCpsjjJBu0Q?si=E-VjKT00ZGgTPe6n

The hardcore communist we leftist call them tankies if that helps. Start figuring you're shit out now.

[Juxtapose]

Vaush is a child predator and has a very repulsive way of viewing the world in my opinion. If you want proof on my accusation.. here:

https://youtu.be/IoB9sg5PlzE?si=T1wDHNXSqkxUaoIk

[Juxtapose]

Donald Trump is a moderate liberal himself. I am voting for him.

[Juxtapose]

I hate wokism and think it's a disgrace to the left. So is Marxism.

[Sasahara]

Not really, in classic SJW fashion the anti-Trump leftists would probably weasle their way out of it. The big question is they fuck up big enough to get another "calling for genocide of jews is acceptable depending on context" situation where even normies catch onto them and the SJWs end up forced to grudgingly put up a both side-bad situation.

The biggest problem with arguing with SJWs is that for all they speak about bad-faith arguments, the lot of them argue in the worst faith possible. And they will drag reasonable people down to their level and beat them with experience. The way SJWs win arguments are to either get their oponent censored, gang up on their oponent, or argue until the oponent don’t bother arguing back.

[handsomelad70]

"Normies?" The late, great Detroit Tigers first baseman Norm Cash?

[sage2021]

I'm sorry but I cannot agree with this.
If we have the most prisoners it's because we just were invaded by 18 illegal aliens and most of them were prisoner's that we inherited in America 🇺🇸.
So since they unloaded all of their prison's and they are empty now, there is nothing to extrapolate prisoner comparisons with.
They probably sent them to all the various prison's in America 🇺🇸.
It isn't real legal citizens committing all of these crimes.
Remember we inherited a lot of mostly men from Cuba a long time ago. Did they include them in their statistical analysis?
I am a native American 🇺🇸 and I guarantee that I did not commit three crimes today, or yesterday, or ever.
They need to go back and rethink this entire bunch of crap.

[sage2021]

**Correction**
18 million

[sage2021]

Thank you 😊 for the MHO

[Amandanator]

Yeah they should only classify felonies as violent crimes or crimes involving sexual battery. The system does seem like it’s getting out of control.

[Juxtapose]

America is really over criminalized and if a citizen can't memorize all the laws, there are too many laws.

[goaded]

Stealing a million dollars isn't a serious crime? That's not necessarily violent.

[Amandanator]

He isn’t guilty of anything. Democrats are aware that he is Biden’s political rival in the election and want to do everything they can to put Trump away before the election. Does that make sense to you Mr. Ukrainian Flag Profile Photo?

[goaded]

I'm not talking about Trump, specifically, I'm just saying stealing a million dollars is a serious crime, a felony.

Trump still did everything he was indicted for, and they were absolutely felonies. You want to change the definition of a felony the same way the supremes changed the law, to protect him. That doesn't change the fact that he still did it.

[Amandanator]

Alright and Biden’s crime is much worse for not putting the American citizens he is supposed to look out for first. The entire democrat plan is to punish Trump and has nothing to do with making peoples lives better. You are on the wrong side.

[goaded]

Keeping the world stable is protecting America.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded a lot of those things are straight up lies such as reducing inflation. Grocery prices for example have quadrupled in price but that isn't shown in the inflation calculations and neither is energy because that would be inconvenient for the government.

Joe Biden is literally the worst president the United States has ever had.

[Juxtapose]

He can't even finish a debate without his wife congratulating him for managing to answer all the questions or being guided off the stage. The whole fucking presidency is a joke and he is a Soviet Union style piece of shit Stalinist who goes after his political opposition.

Amanda and I can see this as clear as day.

[Amandanator]

m.youtube.com/watch not to mention Biden is weird around kids 😨

[Juxtapose]

Yeah.. notice how he looks at the kids when he says he loves them jumping on his lap. And he fucking nibbles on them too.. ugh. Disgusting pedophile.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

No, we aren't

[goaded]

No, because Harvey Silverglate's "estimate" is clearly bullshit. If it were real, there would be a list of the felonies you might have unknowingly committed today and every day. There isn't one. In fact I bet there isn't even a single federal felony you can point to that people might unknowingly commit.

You've really got to learn to distinguish truth from bullshit.

How often do you commit these felonies?

Of course, he doesn't say average American, that's your expansion of the bullshit, he says "average American professional", which is a fraction of the population, maybe 10%. Maybe, if you think they're committing that many crimes, you should put some of them in prison and see what deterrent effect that has. Steve Bannon might take subpeonas more seriously in future, for example.

A felony is a serious crime, not something you do by accident.

[AviatorTom]

Every human is guilty of breaking some law. Every time we exhale, we belch untreated carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, in violation of The Clean Air Act and various international laws that aim to cut carbon emissions. Made even worse when we pass gas.

[Juxtapose]

I hope this is a wake up call for people and they remind governments that they are citizens and not subjects.

[goaded]

@AviatorTom You know that's not true, right? You'll confuse @Juxtapose

[DryGermanGuy]

That’s why I always have to laugh when Americans start with their „freest country in the whule wurld“ spiel. The United States is chock-full with silly rules and regulations and at any time someone could use it against you. In Europe I can transport my alcohol any way I want and if passengers want to drink, they can do it also. I can walk around and sit with my beer, wherever I want. I don’t have to carry around special containers with doctors signatures and my prescription for my medicine. If my girlfriend wants to tan topless in the garden or on the balcony, no one will throw a fit. I don’t get threatened with CPS if my children play outside on their own. And so on, and do forth… why not deregulate all of that and let the people use common sense?

[Juxtapose]

Well if you live in Germany you can literally get thrown in prison for criticizing other country's leader's, denying the Holocaust happened, criticizing a rapist and so on.

[Juxtapose]

*leaders

[DryGermanGuy]

No, you can’t. That’s babble straight from rage baiting kooks of Facebook.
By the way, these Holocaust deniers are hardened rightwing criminals with records, this is not your drunken uncle mouthing off at a barbecue.

[DryGermanGuy]

By the way, we have only 58.000 prisoners for a population of 84 million, so you can do the math yourself, how hard you have to try to land in prison.

[Juxtapose]

Nope and I can prove you wrong.

www.thepublica.com/.../

Someone who criticized a rapist got more time than the rapist.

[Juxtapose]

You guys have no understanding of free speech and you even send people to jail for criticizing foreign leaders.

[Juxtapose]

If you deny that one as well? I'll hit you up with a link.

[Avicenna]

Jux- Germans who haven't lived in the US for a while don't understand the US. And the concept of freedom in general is different in a lot of ways in the US and Germany.

[Juxtapose]

@Avicenna I talk to a German couple who live in Hamburg (I am scheduled to visit them in August) and they understand America just fine despite not coming here. I understand and agree with the concept of free speech and they even wish they could carry guns. But these are Germans who read history books and actively broaden their perspectives. One of them is a historian with a degree.

Other Germans should be like them because when your country fucks up that badly you really need to look into history pretty deeply and understand how things work. You can't have a free society without the ability to criticize people non-violently. It just is not workable and it baffles me that anyone could accept such a society.

[Juxtapose]

*They understand and agree with the concept of free speech

[handsomelad70]

Americans are largely fugly, dumb gasbags.

[handsomelad70]

The fact the this woman got more time for criticizing the rapist than the rapist IS obscene.

[Avicenna]

Having lived over half of my life in Germany and having German relatives, I can say the couple you know is very unusual.

The speech restrictions you reference don't solely stem from the incitment against Jews during and prior to the Nazi era (that was far from the only time in German history Jews were persecuted), but are related to ones that have been in place pretty much forever to prevent people from speaking out against elites, especially political elites (and that is how the speech restrictions are mainly applied today).

[Juxtapose]

@Avicenna well yeah, people who think for themselves in general are pretty rare. There are people who when they read books they don't even get images in their mind, no fucking imagination whatsoever.

[Juxtapose]

It's good to hear someone with experience in Germany though who can see the contrast between Germany and the United States.

[Avicenna]

Ask your friends aboiut Fasching (Carnival) which takes place in the Catholic regions of Germany and its relationship with the verb "fasseln". That will give you some good historical background on what the speech restrictions are really meant to maintain and prevent. Also ask them about the tenor and tone of political debates in Germany. That will also tell you a lot.

[false_prophet]

This is some really low IQ logic. The “felonies” you speak of are most often out dated or “ignored” laws that were born from bureaucracy nonsense. I’ve almost never heard of a cop arresting someone for jaywalking. It’s a prosecutable crime though, so they’re a criminal, right? Jesus man. Use your head.


Also why bring trump into this very specific and weird question? I hold no political side, but you’re not doing any favors for republicans, people already think you’re idiots. This just seems like a weird way for you to vent about democrats lmao.

[false_prophet]

Also private prisons (of which we have many) are very profitable. America is run by 🇮🇱- so do the math.

[handsomelad70]

false-prophet, consider the source.

[false_prophet]

It’s a name. Calm down halfwit. You can try your pathetic deflection all you want but you can’t argue against a logical mind when you’re an idiot.

[handsomelad70]

Private prisons are human rights violations.

[KrakenAttackin]

As Beria (Stalin's head of secret police) states, "Show me the man and I will find the crime".

The left wants to criminalize almost everything and give government omnipotent power over everyone. This has been tried before with disasterous results.

[handsomelad70]

Namely when it comes to African Americans !!!

[ChinaGrove]

The funniest part is the left is talking about fleeing the country!

What's that saying?

"The chickens have come home to roost."

[hahahmm]

Let's just say that the start of the movie 12 Monkeys where Bruce is in a prison cell simply for being a human will not seem like fiction one day. If ya know, ya know.

[handsomelad70]

If Trump is re-elected and Project 2025 is instituted, you'll begin seeing it next year !!!

[OddBeMe]

No you have to convicted by a jury or a judge dumbass.


It boggles the mind how you Trump voters bend yourselves into pretzels to defend this sex assaulter.





The sentencing is just the sentencing. Which I suppose don will slide on. Can’t lock up half the secret service.

[Lynx122]

Trump was convicted by a jury, what are you talking about? Also this article seems like complete bullshit. 3 felonies a day? They list 3 felonies and say those are a lot easier to commit than you think but how many times do you dispose of drugs for someone else? Every day? Wut? There's no way this number is accurate. That would mean a billion felonies are committed every day in the U. S. Maybe you should use your brain a bit sometimes before you just say shit.

[Juxtapose]

Trump has not been convicted and sentenced by a judge. There are people saying merely committing a felony without even being tried makes you a felon and in that case every single American is a felon.

Maybe you should look at the citations of the Harvard study instead of dismissing it offhand like a moron.

[Lynx122]

You're so invested in Trump you'll just say anything to defend him. If you look at how many crimes actually get committed a year in the U. S. and then compare to the number you're claiming. You're off by a factor of 24 333. So you're claiming 24 thousand times more crimes get committed in the U. S. than actually happen. If that were true then the police and the courts would collapse there would be complete anarchy.

[Juxtapose]

You're so invested in Biden you will discard a perfectly good Harvard study. Do you really not know the difference between crimes committed that are known and recorded? Many, many crimes are committed every day that are not recorded. This is why the average American commits three felonies every single day.

And even if I was really wrong and the average American only committed a felony once every year? That would still land me with 35 felonies.

[Juxtapose]

So either way my point doesn't change even if I concede a lot to you, which I won't lol.

[Lynx122]

I couldn't care less about Biden or U. S. politics as a whole. I just don't like your lies.

[Juxtapose]

Says the one that spouting nothing but lies and denying evidence.

[Lynx122]

If Biden was convicted by a jury of his peers and then used the supreme court to which he personally appointed two people to give himself immunity you'd be so angry you'd be crawling up walls and telling everybody this is proof of how corrupt the syste is and how the democrats have rigged everything etc. But because it's Trump you say is a felony coviction even anything important? Is it even real? Technically we're all felons. You can't even see how stupid you look that's the funniest part about it.

[Juxtapose]

Except that isn't reality and the one persecuting their political rivals ILLEGALLY is Biden. Stalinist tactics one on one.

[Juxtapose]

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Lynx122]

It's called 101 not one on one XD. Bro just give up your brain is cooked.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

You’re so sure your right😂

I honestly don’t blame you. You actually have to be pretty smart to follow politics. I think people used to appreciate that more.

Everyone who supports trump wanted him to fix the Supreme Court first and foremost because the courts at that point seemed to be the democrats main weapon when they weren’t adulterating journalism and using the three letter agencies like they’re personal hit squads.

We all knew this was going to happen if he got elected. Even most democrats knew this was going to happen.

With those justices he honestly saved this country.

[Juxtapose]

Wow that's taking semantics to a whole new level @Lynx122

[Juxtapose]

@Telekinetic-Potato damn straight 🤜🤛

[Telekinetic-Potato]

You got it bro bro 🫶🏼

[Lynx122]

You're less coherent than Joe Biden :D

[Telekinetic-Potato]

If you want to live your life in denial that’s your decision. Nothing we’re saying can’t be learned after 30 min of googling or using DuckDuckGo which doesn’t have the same agenda as google.

Seriously if that sounds incoherent to you, you’ve been brainwashed. It’s like that book 1984. Or the movie Don’t Look Up.

People dont like trump because he’s like a big reminder of what all these politicians really are and they don’t like the fact that our country is being run by people 10 times worse than him. It’s inconceivable to people who haven’t been doing their own research for a long time.

[handsomelad70]

Sure seems that way, as the USA, four percent of humanity, accounts for ONE-QUARTER of the world's prisoners, despite Yankees' being no more wicked than citizens of any other nation.

[goaded]

They do kill an awful lot more of each other than a lot of other countries. 57 in the world, just better than Russia, three times worse than Canada, and five or six times worse than England and Wales or Germany.

en.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

[handsomelad70]

@goaded Four hundred million GUNS !!!1

[Juxtapose]

You act like gun control is a solution when in reality it is culture. Russia and Japan both have pretty strict and gun control but look at how different they are.

[Juxtapose]

Oh and you can take my guns from my cold, dead hands.

[Drewtate]

What felony has trump committed?

[Charliefretz329]

The US is really headed down a bad path with this. I agree with you

[RoronoaZoro8]

Innocent until proven guilty. Trump was proven guilty. You were not.

[Juxtapose]

Nope, people on the anti-Trump side are saying that nearly committing a felony without ever going to court makes you a felon. So we are all felons now.

[Juxtapose]

*merely committing a felony

[RoronoaZoro8]

Strawman

[goaded]

@RoronoaZoro8 It's just presumed innocent, the accused is definitely innocent or not. Otherwise investigators would be out of a job!

@Juxtapose How many times? You're a felon if you commit a felony. You're a convicted felon (like Trump) if you've been convicted. It's really not that complicated.

[Dongie]

👏👏👏👏👏👏