Former President Trump has been shot. Who do you think is behind it?

[coachTanthony]

[exitseven]

I think that any one of the 51 members of the intelligence community that signed that false statement that Hunters laptop was Russian misinformation would have sufficient motive to do this.

[msc545]

I think you should forget about Huntre's laptop. That ship sailed a long time ago. Stop obsessing about it - it was nothing.

[Danny_dan92]

@msc545

Bullshit. Same FBI being weaponized on Trump told social media companies to censor the story

[msc545]

@Danny_dan92 oh sure. Any other conspiracy theories you would like to share?

[Danny_dan92]

Absolutely.

Everything about covid was bs.

[Goahead76]

Basic shit that everyone knows are now "conspiracy theories". 🙄

[msc545]

Be sure that when you get to hell or or heaven wherever you're going. You tell all the dead people that covid killed that it was all BS based on your incredible expertise in this area.

[exitseven]

@msc545 It was determined by Biden's own DOJ that it is genuine. It will be used as evidence against the BCF next year.

[Danny_dan92]

@msc545

The media made it seem like it was the deadliest virus ever.

They said the vaccines prevent infection.

They said masks work.

All of these points proved to be bs. And it wasn’t until the beginning of the Ukrainian war, when mainstream media began changing their tune and began reporting on this exact thing..

Oh… also… they also denied the lab leak theory… turns out they also began mentioning the possibility around this time too.

However you’re trying to make the case that I’m saying it didn’t kill anyone… which if you read what I said.. I didn’t ACTUALLY say that verbatim.

[Curmudgeon]

@msc545 It's not a "Conspiracy theory", when it's true. They ("intelligence agencies") deliberately omitted key information about that laptop story, which led to it being misreported. One legacy of the Obamunists is the deliberate use of ostensibly non-partisan agencies to go after political opponents, from the IRS to the FBI to the NSA to the CIA. The whole "Russian collusion" hoax truly DOES make Watergate look like a "3rd Rate Burglary", and the response of the ostensibly watchdog but now lapdog media? Not only crickets, but thunderous applause.

And frankly, we initially saw Orwellian misreporting about this assassination attempt in the first few hours of the story:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mrNQAUynf7M

[msc545]

@Curmudgeon Proving you can dispense a whole pack of lies... great.

[Curmudgeon]

@msc545 Sigh. The facts are what they are, and they were initially suppressed. Enough said.

[Curmudgeon]

@msc545 You want to see some screenshots of the initial reporting of this event? Here you go:
x.com/DrewHolden360/status/1812261854783434752
The one from CNN is particularly galling:
https://ace.mu.nu/archives/410563.php

[msc545]

@Curmudgeon Frrom "ace. mu. nu" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! So credible - not!

[Curmudgeon]

@msc545 That's a good dupe. The screenshot is the screenshot. And that was left standing for several hours.

[msc545]

@Curmudgeon Excuses. Link to something credible or none of this exists

[Curmudgeon]

@msc545 That's a good dupe. Go see the twitter. Of course it has been scrubbed now, hours later. That's how the gatekeepers of the Left Tech monopolies work.

[BCRanger10]

For the moment, I'm going to assume that it's a random nutcase. Unlike the Democrats, I'm not going to hold the entire party or ideology responsible for what one person does.

[BCRanger10]

@BarryLiverstone yep. Don't get me wrong, I totally could. In some ways, I think we should. But I won't. For now.

Suffice it to say, if it comes out that the Biden campaign was somehow involved, I would not be shocked.

[BCRanger10]

@BarryLiverstone Extremists aren't exactly known for considering long-term consequences or alternative outcomes. I'm not a Civil War historian, but the little that I know suggests that John Wilkes Booth thought he was doing the South a favor by killing Lincoln. He did quite the opposite.

[coachTanthony]

@BCRanger10 Barry blocked me so you won't be seeing him on this thread.

[BCRanger10]

Must have just happened then.

[coachTanthony]

@BCRanger10 Yeah not sure why he got his panties in a bunch about something

[SaoirseS]

There’s a lot of conflicting initial reporting that’s just now gradually coming together. If someone announces the shooter’s name was Charles Guiteau, you might want to question that.

[Kaneki05]

Almost a likeable opinion of someone not been a extremist but had to include the 'Unlike the democrats' line.
Seriously wish everyone wasn't so wound up in their extreme side, but it is what it is and probably going to only get worse. Good thing I ain't American.

[BCRanger10]

@Kaneki05 *Shrug* I suppose it wasn't entirely necessary and I probably should not have included it (and I mean that sincerely).

[Kaneki05]

Glad to hear that, the world needs more of that especially online. It's also human nature to put such things so I don't really blame you.
And I've for sure done so before but now I am starting to see the bad in it and given that this week to month really is for sure going to be full of that just *sighs* it was kinda peaceful for the last couple of months on the political stuff.
For as peaceful as it can be anyway lol. And now elections are coming in just gotta get used to it again.

[BCRanger10]

@Kaneki05 I'll admit when I'm wrong or if I've taken something too far.

[Lliam]

@coachTanthony. Barry Kidneystone blocked me, too. He's a skulking little rat.

[coachTanthony]

@Lliam He got upset because somehow I didn't ask him permission to post this because he had already posted something about Trump... I was like GTFOOH lol

[Curmudgeon]

@SaoirseS "I am a Stalwart (political faction of the time) and Chester Arthur is President now!"

[OlderAndWiser]

"In 2011, Jared Lee Loughner opened fire in a supermarket parking lot, grievously wounding Representative Gabby Giffords and killing six people, including a 9-year-old girl. At the time, we and others were sharply critical of the heated political rhetoric on the right. Before the shooting, Sarah Palin’s political action committee circulated a map of targeted electoral districts that put Ms. Giffords and 19 other Democrats under stylized cross hairs. But in that case no connection to the shooting was ever established.”
— New York Times editorial board, June 14
This quote is from a corrected version of a New York Times editorial that had falsely claimed that the gunman in the 2011 Giffords shooting was politically incited by Palin’s political action committee."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/06/15/the-bogus-claim-that-a-map-of-crosshairs-by-sarah-palins-pac-incited-rep-gabby-giffordss-shooting/

Since the MSM was so quick to lay blame on what it viewed as incendiary rhetoric, should they now blame President Biden for his rhetoric and weaponization of the DOJ against Trump?

[coachTanthony]

who is they? I think many on twitter right now are blaming Biden for saying we now need to put Trump in a bullseye

[Curmudgeon]

@coachTanthony Sauce for goose, sauce for Gander, and all that. That said, "targets" are metaphorical speech, and the rhetoric about both incidents were/are unfair.

[coachTanthony]

@Curmudgeon I agree just reporting what I have seen

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Whether it was Donald Trump or Joe Biden, no place in America for that stuff, it did sound like a gun was fired, the shooter is dead?

[MzAsh]

Crazy. Sad state we’re in. Sadly not surprised though.

[Curmudgeon]

But here is the REAL rub of it. Apparently, this Thomas Matthew Crooks gunman took some minutes of time to get himself into position, and people in the crowd observed it and even yelled to the Secret Service about it, and only AFTER he gets off his multiple shots that they react? It was "The Donald" turning his head at the last second that made all the difference:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/TxE3t3lUijA

[Curmudgeon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxE3t3lUijA

[Curmudgeon]

And it gets worse: Can we even rely on the Secret Service anymore? And how can we be "uniters and not dividers" when half the country blatantly wants to destroy it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTz4yPo3o0A

[coachTanthony]

She is spot on!

[foxsquirrell]

Nobody. Just that mad 20 year old guy. Just because a high profile person was almost assassinated then it has to be a conspiracy. They were a bit complacent. They were not expecting this, and it happened.

What I find worrying is that now Trump will feel like a god, because he thinks that God himself is on his side and that he is destined to rule America by some divine right. And he will be arrogant like he has never been when he is president not listening to anyone and his arrogance will start a major war. He was simply very very lucky that's all. An inch away from a head-shot. It happens. Anyone who shot a rifle or even an air rifle knows how easy shots can deviate, and how such shots sometimes just miss the target but are almost on target. This was one of those shots.

[PA19062024]

D. Trump was the very first president in a VERY long time who actually DIDN'T start a war while he was in office the first time. That was actually quite remarkable when you think about it, so why would he start one the second time around? As for God being on Trump's side, well I hope that's true, because if the current crop of criminals remain in power in Washington there will be another world war for sure.

[Curmudgeon]

@foxsquirrell "his arrogance will start a major war" - REALLY now? The man who was called a Russian agent because he *held back* on intervention in Ukraine? The man who *didn't* intervene in yet another new country (Bush) and *didn't* order drone strikes all over (Obama)? REALLY now?

[foxsquirrell]

@PA19062024 Good! If it turns out like that (that he rules wisely and not with pride and arrogance) all the better. I have no finger in any cake.

[foxsquirrell]

@PA19062024 Good! If it turns out like you say and he rules wisely not with arrogance or pride, all the better.

[SaoirseS]

Too early to tell what happened. It’s being called a security incident, US Secret Service is not calling it a shooting. Sounded more like firecrackers to me. There were at least five bangs, had it been gunfire at least one or more in the crowd would have been hit. No reports of attendee injuries, not yet anyway.

[Wiredone]

Several people were shot

[SaoirseS]

Last report the shooter plus one dead. I don’t trust accuracy of initial reports, too many conflicting reports. We aren’t going to know for a few hours anything I’d be willing to rely on.

[Lliam]

It wasn't a pro who took the shot. It's like the work of a school shooter type.
He could have been a loony lib, an antifa member, or just a nut case looking to get famous. But he failed and is now dead.

The sniper, identified as 20 year old Thomas Matthew Crooks of Bethel Park, Pennsylvania, took the 148 yard (444') shot from the top of a building outside the perimeter of the venue. He was obviously using the wrong kind of rifle for the job. I heard it was an AR-style, probably chambered for.223 caliber, obviously semiautomatic, which is not a sniper rifle.

A professional sniper from the USSS took him out almost immediately from an elevated position behind and to the left side of the stage. THAT'S how you shoot.

Thank goodness the sniper was an amateur and only nicked Trump's ear. Another two inches to the right and Trump would be as dead as JFK.

[sawno]

If its an AR-15 that would be very suspicious, so if you ever hear which gun it is let me know.

[sawno]

(For context, I recently found more information on accelerationism, accelerationists try to talk people into doing acts like this and they use the AR-15 as their weapon of choice for shootings because it sparks gun debates most effectively. So the AR-15 is a warning sign the shooter can be either an accelerationist or had accelerationists talk in on him). If its another AR style weapon that logic does not apply).

[Lliam]

@sawno. I have no confirmation that it was an AR style rifle. But it was obviously a semiautomatic, not a sniper rifle.
And the accelerationist idea makes perfect sense.

[Kelley1]

Just like Sirhan Sirhan, Thomas Matthew Crooks was a CIA mind controlled patsy with the assassination attempt assisted by the secret service. The difference was there was no backup shooter since it is almost impossible to miss a standing head shot by someone that practiced shooting when shooting from the prone position from a distance of less than 450 feet. If their was a backup shooter he didn't have time to fire a fatal shoot because Trump ducked before he realized the shot by Crooks was not fatal.

[AviatorTom]

The shooter was a 20 yo local guy. But an argument could be made that the overall society climate that exists, exacerbated by the media, social media and politicians, that seeks to blame people, rather than work to improve life, is ultimately the main cause of Trump's shooting, school shootings etc.

[AviatorTom]

... and I wonder if he took Biden's line to "put Trump in the bullseye" too literally.

[normalice]

If it's a past or present trump supporter then obviously it is a lone wolf going through a mental health crisis but if it isn't then obviously it is the entire left conspiring to bring down Russia Russia Russia or whatever.

[Avicenna]

I don't know who's behind the assassination attempt that also resulted in the murder of at least one person, but there are a large number of people who are certainly capable of being behind an assassination attempt.

[goaded]

Every American with a gun.

[Avicenna]

@goaded: And those who incite violence, which includes your beloved Joe Biden, who five days prior put a "bullseye" on Trump.

Turns out this one was a leftist (unsurprisingly).

[goaded]

Biden has never advocated for political violence, unlike Trump who's repeatedly called for people to be hurt.

"knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell— I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise. It won’t be so much ’cause the courts agree with us too."

[Avicenna]

@goaded: As usual, you just can't keep yourself from lying. Here is the entire quote:

"There may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience. So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell— I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise. It won’t be so much ’cause the courts agree with us too."

Someone throwing a tomato in a rally is committing violence. Funny how you left that out. And, of, this happened a week prior to him making that remark:

"Last week, at another Iowa rally, a heckler chucked a few tomatoes at Trump, and was arrested for disorderly conduct."

In all likelihood, Trump was joking. But what he said was in response to leftist political violence.

You also have a strange notion of the meaning of "repeatedly".

Biden is no stranger to incitement against political opponents, including recently saying he was putting a bullseye on Trump, a clear call for violence.

[goaded]

Oh, yes? What politician told anyone to throw tomatoes? Trump normalises political violence in his rallies (and what was your reaction to Paul Pelosi getting nearly killed?).

"So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of 'em, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise."

"I’d like to punch him in the face, I tell ya,"

"in the good old days this didn’t used to happen, because they used to treat them very rough," (This led a supporter to punch a peaceful protester.)

[Curmudgeon]

@goaded Now THIS is the Left mentality in action.

The gun is a tool, as good, or as evil, as the person wielding it. But the Left thinks guns are possessed like the motor vehicles in Stephen King novels:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_(King_novel)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trucks_(short_story)

[goaded]

@Curmudgeon The tool makes the job easier, fool.

[Avicenna]

@goaded: Any speech Stalinists don't like is deemed in their propaganda as "violence". If I had heard Trump say that about the violent tomato throwers, I would have assumed he's being facetious.

But, hey, your hero, Attempted Murderer Joe Biden said he was going to put a bullseye on Trump and that Trump would soon face a huge challenge. Sounds like foreshadowing to me. And we have been hearing the same over-the-top incitement against Trump from leftists like Biden for almost a decade now. Political violence is rife among leftists.

Truth is, you're always wrong about everything, anyway, like when you predicted a second Black Death if everyone weren't forced to take the experimental gene therapy.

[ManInChains]

I think there is no way he will lose the election now. The democrats thinking it is fair game to assassinate political opponents has officially handed Trump the win and we still have 4 months left.

[Lionman95]

I would say no one because I´m interested in joining conspirancy guessing games. It´s rather part of a cultural and social development and a risk a society has to carry when everyone is allowed to carry their gun everywhere without regulation.
When there are shootings at public school no one asks: "Who´s behind that?" As people take for granted that one shooter alone can do that. To assume that there is an organisation behind this without any evidence is a conspirancy theory to me.

[electromagnetic]

The conspiracy theories are about to start 👀

[HawkPerception]

My guess... some batshit crazy alphabet brigade transgender psychopath.

To be fair, I doubt this would happen in Canada where we don't allow guns

[sawno]

Can debunk the last sentence for you, in the netherlands we don't have guns yet a politician was shot dead here to.

[HawkPerception]

@sawno I think the chances are much higher in a country where everyone is allowed to have a gun though 😂

[sawno]

You had 3 times it happened so far, we had 1. So not that much higher apparently usually those events are pretty well vetted. This one to I am sure, they were just lazy on acting on the roof reports.

[HawkPerception]

I'm curious... are you pro guns?

[Goahead76]

Gotta be some really pissed off people in the US Intel agencies tonight for sure. 😄😄😄Most likely finalizing the details of their own plot and, "Oh no! Some asshole beat us to it". Probably on the phone with the CIA asking for some tips on how they did it last time & wishing Allen Dulles was still around for advice.

[abc3643]

Unfortunately, someone who is a bad shot.

Gotta love that Second Amendment though!

[Bricealan]

What a stupid old bastard you are

[abc3643]

@Bricealan Oh, that really hurts. LOL

>>> Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.

[Dongie]

Look at that brave mother fucker. I wonder why he does it?

Any fuckin' suggestions?

[coachTanthony]

100% patriot

[Dongie]

💯 fucking percent

[Dongie]

You are the one. Hah, what a specimen.

[Goahead76]

Good point.

[Dongie]

Yeah, he keeps all access private that's so he can pop them chops and get very little feedback. A very small man.

[Dongie]

Yeah, asshole. Eat shit.

[goaded]

Trying to stay out of prison.

[Bricealan]

We are now officially a third world country, coach.

[abc3643]

You're not old enough to remember the other political assassination attempts...
Live a bit longer - you'll see more.

[Anonymous]

More than likely some leftist, pinko looney toon with a military background. The gunman's supposedly dead, but they haven't released his identity yet.

[thegreenyogi]

Someone who clearly doesn't want home to become president.

[mobiusforniner]

That moment you get the headline news from coach…..

[dustybiker2]

Will we ever find out? It's sad when the target is so twisted you can't 100% put it past his own involvement for sympathy votes (which didn't work). Maybe we'll learn more but somehow doubt we will.

[Anonymous]

I believe it's staged. How the hell they missed his head? He has blood after he get up. He wants more votes, nice publicity. Biden is fucked up already. USA needs a new face.

[Opinion Owner]

@BarryLiverstone I don't believe in politicians. I still believe it was staged. The man wasn't moving much. But they missed his head?

[Bricealan]

Staged? Is she insane? Jesus Christ!!!

[Opinion Owner]

@Bricealan I said what I said

[Dongie]

You go, gurl. And keep standing behind it.

[Dongie]

At least he killed a MAGA person, right?

[ChicoFromThe305]

So the shooter they shot dead agreed to get shot and killed on the top of that little roof is what you are saying? Or is there a higher and more realistic chance that it actually happened, staging death is just insane 😂

[Peridot25]

@Asker What? Who the hell would plan a fake shooting and scare everyone who attended?

[Dongie]

A person in the audience was killed. Why the fuck would gmhe, Trump, need this? For more votes. He'll he's received the most votes in the history of America in the last 2. Biden didn't get no 81,000,000 fucking votes. Maybe 45-50 but not 81. Open your eyes.

[Danny_dan92]

A guy literally got shot in the head and died… fake that.

[Kaneki05]

It's typically a insane guy.
And unless proof otherwise why would I think anything else really.

[KostasKouvalis]

I don't know. I don't wanna make any speculations, because at this point it could have been ANYONE. There are many people who would like to see him dead.

[KostasKouvalis]

This only shows how much of a threat they consider him. If his enemies didn't think he actually had a shot at winning, they wouldn't be targeting him. "Can't you see this is the last act of a desperate man?"

[OfDeath]

Someone who doesn’t like Trump. Speculation without facts will only hinder public discourse. It is a time to unite by collectively condemning such violence and not inciting division with blind finger pointing and uninformed blaming.

[FreyaRed]

J. D. Vance could gain a lot with Trump's death, piratically a free ticked into oval office.

[Anonymous]

He wasn't shot. OMG, people are dumb!

The funniest photo was the one of the bullet flying past him. Since when can cameras capture that.

[FunkyMonkee]

In just the past week, I've heard at least two people talking about hoping someone shoots him!

[sage2021]

@BarryLiverstone

So who do you think is behind it Barry?

[sage2021]

@BarryLiverstone
Oh great!; I hadn't heard that they took him down.
Wait till they take him out to the wood shed when no one's looking.

[BarryLiverstone]

It’s possible the shooter was killed, we can’t know now. Thank God no one else was shot

[BarryLiverstone]

Correction, a politician just said there were 8 shots and someone beside him in the crowd was also shot. Sad :(

[sage2021]

@BarryLivingstone
OMG! No!!
Another tragic day in America 🇺🇸😥

[andreasderjuengere]

Melania arranged it. Or did you see her around? :D

[Dongie]

Ain't you quaint?

[andreasderjuengere]

@Dongie - I only try to be as absurd as anyone else here with ''assumptions;;. Heh heh

[Dongie]

Yeah, well, absurd and morbid are 2 different things.

[andreasderjuengere]

@Dongie Thangs for adjusting my bad attitudes, teacher. :D
Peace, though :)

[Dongie]

You can tell it to the dead persons family in the crowd that died during the assassination atempt.

[andreasderjuengere]

@Dongie Does that make them alive again?

[Dongie]

No it just shows your contempt for all that differs from your twisted beliefs. Hoss.

[DrPepper12]

Grazed. Lets not speculate and cause mis or disinformation.

[legalboxers]

[handsomelad70]

Until further details emerge, likely a lone wolf.

[CaptainSmartass]

The wokerati, or Big Conspiracy.

Simples...

[Agape93]

A shitty marksman evidently

[Sirenboobzilla]

Right? All those shots and they only nicked his ear

[Agape93]

At only 400 feet. I can peg deer at that distance reliably. Wtf

[worldscolide]

Worthless piece of shit hypocrite leftists.

[purplepoppy]

A time traveller come back to try and stop him.

[smd_5545]

I think some one is warning the Trump for this election.

[Anonymous]

There was an early report of a Chinese national. So if that turns out to be true; it would be Xi.

[msc545]

Unclear but he is dead. SS shot him.

[impalabill77]

A crazy man. The shooter is dead.

[Anonymous]

Democrats and extreme Leftists. The History is always repeated.

[snowboarder720]

Just needed a little more to the right…

[dreamstar72]

Biden and the democrat party.

[Danny_dan92]

It was an antifa member

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I bet it was the Diaz brothers!

[DryGermanGuy]

Mike Pence? 🤔😉

[yes_goddess]

Dick Cheney

[dustybiker2]

lol probably.

[HusamRocks]

Trump himself

[Thumper2thump]

the cia

[Pterodon]

A democrat