What if The USA decided to just be a neutral country?

[smahala1991]

Like we just woke up one day and decided on stuff like Israel vs Palestine or Russia be Ukraine and be like “Yo dawg, were stepping out of this one, y’all do your own thing “? Do you think the US ever gets tired of being the world’s “Police force”? I mean for a younger nation than most countries now we have a lot of a presence. Or do you think America should still be involved?

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This is just a “What if “ scenario, I know it’s not likely to happen

[NaultD]

Russia and/or China will take over. Then our allies will betray us in favor of the new order. The USA, isolated, will eventually be ground up and made an example of with genocide. Premium land will go to the highest bidding or participating countries that were once allies.

The writing on the wall would be the same if the Nazis had won Europe in World War II.

Yes, the war on terrorism was terrible and had no end goal. We only wanted to be greedy. The Ukrainian war against Russia is a defensive war with an end goal. Basically, every reason the USA lost in the Middle East is the reason we can win in Ukraine. This is right and justifiable for the sake of prosperity.

[msc545]

In case you weren't aware of it, the US is actually not a combatant in the war in Ukraine. Instead the US just props up its defense industry by sending money to Ukraine which then turns around and uses that money to buy weapons from US defense contractors.

[llorando]

@msc545 And it's saddening seeing everyone cheering on the Ukraine war, not realizing it's only benefiting defense contractors at the expense of innocent Ukrainian's dying in a war that could have been avoided if we had left Ukraine alone to be neutral.

[msc545]

Yes I completely agree with that. The US and its money making and political efforts can be really horrible.

[llorando]

@msc545 And what many supporters of the war don't know, is Ukraine and Russia had agreed to a peace deal mediated by Turkey and Israel (I believe they were the other party), and Russia even started withdrawing troops, then we sent over Boris Johnson to sabotage the agreement and talked Ukraine Ukraine into continues fighting knowing very well Ukraine had no path to victory. We kept the war going cause it profitable to defense contractors, and will be even more profitable with Ukraine as a NATO member.

[msc545]

@llorando, that is also very consistent with my own knowledge of this. The US has been doing things like this for many years.

[llorando]

@normalice Maybe instead of believing the same government who lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, do you own, independent research, then you'll see the Ukraine conflict was always about enriching defense contractors at the expense of innocent Ukrainians dying.

[normalice]

It isn't the same government, comrade. The Bush administration has nothing in common with the Biden administration.

[llorando]

@normalice Yes they do, every administration going back 60+ years have all one thing in common, and that is doing the bidding of Defense contractors that not only has control over every president, but 99% of politicians who get kick backs from defense contractors in a never ending cycle.

[normalice]

I understand that's probably what they tell middle schoolers in Russia but thats just not the way it works here 🤷

[llorando]

@normalice You can believe what you want to believe, but that's exactly how it works. Dwight D Eisenhower even warned us before leaving office the dangers of the Military Industrial Complex.

[normalice]

Nope, sorry. It's far more complicated than that 🤷

[llorando]

@normalice It's actually not, but I'm out of here, there's no reasoning with you.

[normalice]

Its true I'm not going to brainwashed with your Russian propaganda, anyway.

[strateguy632]

you skipped the part when ukraine asked for help.

if we were nutral then no kuwait iraq invaded it and would hold it. maybe that is what you wish smahala.
if we were nutral no south korea. if we were nutral no south vietnam well they got erased but we delayed it many years.
if we were nutral the israel wars would be much higher losses.

so a six day war means less time to kill people before the arabs surrender. or a twenty day war in 1973etc.

[DrPepper12]

A SHITLOAD of defense jobs, diplomatic, regulatory, military jobs would just disappear causing a severe depression.

America as world's policeman SHOULD BE OVER and it should be a group of nations. We haven't learned A THING as to why empires collapse. I mean NOTHING!

Our ego and economy keeps us involved. Some MYOB but not isolationism is urgently needed

[Titanic1912]

It would be nice to not enter a war, but we should stand with Israel. The Israelites are known as God’s chosen people and America is a Christian nation. And because Israel went to war, we should’ve gone with them. Because Biden is and was the worst president in the history of America, he remained neutral. If Trump was still president at this time, he would’ve sent troops straight to Israel to help. I’d do the same thing. If any country attacks one of our allies, we go with them!

[Billlewis]

We can't, because the elites are in bed with cronies like Macron, Trudeau and whoever the stiff who's in charge of Australia, where human rights and freedoms are being usurped by the authorities more and more with each passing day.

[Avicenna]

There are a number of situations we shouldn't be involved in, but to be completely neutral isn't an option for a country the size of the US in a world of global supply chains and China, Russia and Iran looking for regional domination.

[OddBeMe]

Then we would lose a lot of the trust and allies we’ve benefited from since WW2. This was actually what happened during Trumps term. Europe started pondering a world without the US- and started re-arming. didn't turn out so well last century.

[llorando]

Our trust around the world went out the window when defense contractors took over our foreign policy transforming US into the world's police that does more harm than good.

[Avicenna]

Europe started rearming? That's some alternate universe you live in.
Trump just wanted them to spend the 2% of GDP that they all promised to do back in 2015, but few of them have actually done that.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna yeah they even have a European Defense Fund dumbass. Were we to still be their crutch we could try keep a second Ukraine from occurring.

Not that you right wing fucks ever cared about other people’s lives. Just unborn ones.

[Avicenna]

Ah, you poor, simple rural Texan- no clue about anything in the world outside your living room. Tell me how much the European NATO states are spending on a defense as a percentage of GDP? Maybe your idea of re-arming is similar to that of Neville Chamberlain.

And as for that massive European Defense Fund, well, consider me less than impressed:

defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/.../european-defence-fund-edf-official-webpage-european-commission_en

"The EDF supports companies across Member States develop competitive and collaborative defence projects that will deliver innovative and interoperable defence technologies and equipment. It offers support and advice to participants throughout the entire cycle of research and development.
The Fund has a budget of nearly €8 billion for 2021-2027, with €2.7 billion allocated for collaborative defence research and €5.3 billion for collaborative capability development projects that complement national contributions."

But four-star General Odd assures us the Europeans will be defending themselves against threats in Russia and the Middle East with that princely sum.

Leftists are really too stupid for this Earth.

[NathanDavis]

it would go bankrupt in less than six months...

[msc545]

Capitalism in the US would collapse. It might anyway since it now depends on constant war.

[llorando]

Defense contractors profits would go way down, but the world would be a more peaceful place.

[msc545]

Considering the defense contractors in the US, pay a substantial amount of money in bribes to politicians, this is extremely likely to happen. Politicians are mainly interested in getting rich and this is how they do it.

[llorando]

@msc545 It's a never ending cycle, and wouldn't surprise me if MSM is part of this cycle. Part of the reason we allow it to happen is were too busy being hyper focused on hating everyone who doesn't subscribe to our political beliefs/party.

[msc545]

Could not agree with you more.. well said.

[strateguy632]

like when we were neutral in 1914... real peaceful world?
or like we were nutra in 1939 real peaceful?
those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it.

[llorando]

@strateguy632 We didn't provoke those wars, the Ukraine war we did, We promised Russia after the unification of Berlin we wouldn't move NATO to the east, but that's exactly what we did, and we finally tipped the scales in 2014 when we carried out a CIA backed Coup d'état to over throw Ukraine's neutral government for a pro western government. This whole expansion of NATO was really to benefit defense contractors who profit of off war. Umbrella manufactures can't sell umbrellas if their is no rain and defense contractors can't sell weapons if their is no war.