Poor people shouldn’t have kids?

Question

People say, “poor people shouldn’t have kids”. Because kids are expensive. Do you agree with that?

D_Bone_Steak · Accepted Answer

Kids are a huge tax and not just financially speaking. I think the only people that should be having kids, should seriously want kids. This isn't the old days where you get paid for having more kids. Let me explain...

You can still get paid, but only if they're not your kids. The state will pay you for taking in kids. I know this because I spent most my child hood as Great Grandparent's paycheck, and then again in foster care making money for some woman that used us for farm work (which made her money) as well as the state paying her for taking us in.

If you don't do farm work... kids are fucking useless. They're nothing but a tax if you can't use them for help.

And as a parent who's last child was autistic... I was changing diapers on a fucking 8 year old. Think about having to wipe the shit of your boy's balls about 6 times a day and then feeding the fucker to make more shit for you to clean. You don't know what you're going to get... even my wife that wanted to keep having kids until she had a girl said fuck this and got her tubes tied.

Thankfully I'm fucking rich. Not rich rich, but rich enough that I don't work and could manage this bullshit. My other kid that's working fast food jobs, think he's gen z, won't join the military because he wants to smoke weed and make sure his chick doesn't cheat while he's away... I feel for him. Him and the girl work... she gets gov benefits and hides the fact that he's around (same reason black men feel the gov broke apart the black families)... just so they can get enough to survive. Biden straight up fucked that generation. They're already fucked... and my generation was fucked too. I feel like I'm ranting so I'm gonna just stop... but fucking A I could rant about this shit for hours.

TL;DR Kids are a tax with no benefit. Doing it for no reason is like learning guitar for no reason. You're only going to do it if you can afford it or have a reason... or... you're just stupid and wasting your time.

I'm not going to add a picture to this because this actually pissed me off and I don't want the superb opinion. FML and I'm sorry to you younger generations... you're more fucked than I was. Even joining the military isn't an escape for you fuckers.

RebelinSteel · Accepted Answer

People should not have kids until they are emotionally and financially secure enough to have a child, with a check being made before each child. The financially bit is working off the ‘without state support’. Unfortunately there does appear to be a link between those less well off, less well educated and the number of kids they have. I also believe that simply being born in that country does not grant citizenship if your parents are not citizens of that country. I have a bunch of friends that have German citizenship purely because they were born in Germany, Netherlands but their parents are British. The same applies to anyone born here in the UK, born here and your parents are not citizens, then tough, neither are you.
This is a global thing, people in countries that currently struggle to feed their existing population are constantly banging out multiple kids and then struggle to feed everyone.

Take a look at the 1980 world population and now, no one said ‘oh we need to dramatically increase the population’

Anonymous · Accepted Answer

It takes more than money to raise a kid. There are plenty of people who can "afford to have kids" and raise f**ked up kids who add nothing to society and turn out to be absolutely horrible people.
You should be financially, emotionally and if possible mentally prepared to have a kid. Not because you can afford to bring one into the world or because you're bored or because you think you'd do a better job than your parents but that's something else.
I've been to poor countries where people end up with so many kids because they can't afford contraception. Not everything is as accessible as it is in the west.
Kids need love, stability, consistency, order structure, a safe environment etc not just the bills paying and a roof over their heads.
Also, your financial status is never really guaranteed. You could be fine today and wake up and have nothing tomorrow. Nothing is for certain. Then what? When you had the kid you were able to afford them then you couldn't. Does that mean you stop being a parent? No, you still need to provide. You still need to be a parent coz someone else is depending on you to keep them safe.
Having a child is life time commitment and it's more than just another expense.

Justneedtokno · Accepted Answer

Honestly, nobody really can’t afford a child these days. And then people have six. But the way that there isn’t that much access to healthcare for lower class and there isn’t that much protection or education on how to wait on having sex people end up in the situations that they’re in or wait on their thought of do I want this right now? There’s a lot of factors that play into this.

You really can’t tell someone that they can’t have a child when they’re already doing stuff to make a baby did they? They don’t have anything else to do but screw so think about that too.

OlderAndWiser · Answer

People should not have children that they cannot afford to raise. If the parents can't afford to pay for the children's needs, who else should pay?

ohsheeT · Answer

In the world that we live in today from the day you have a child until that child is 18 it's going to cost you close to 300-350,000 to raise that child.. .

I've answered questions on here before where the girl wants to have a baby she's 18 years old and she wants to have a baby and I would say to her before you can have a child you need to have a house it needs to be paid for you need a car he needs to be paid for you need health insurance you need a job you need a daycare you need $300,000 in the bank because all those things you're going to need somewhere somehow in order to bring your child up right..

I am one of the most luckiest people in this world
My mom divorced my dad when I was 1 years old she remarried had two more kids got divorced from him when. Was 10 years old married another guy when I was 12 or 13 I left her house when I was 16. My mom was dirt poor and she raised three children.

Going to school if I wanted to Levi's or if I wanted a Nike or reeboks I had to pay for half of them because if I wanted them she didn't have that type of money because she had two other kids so I would go to work I would pay for whatever it was that I wanted. So being poor also made it so if I wanted a car I was going to have to go out and work for it if it broke down I was going to have to fix it I was going to have to buy something used.

And to me looking back at it it was a blessing because not having things made me appreciate things more if my car broke down I had to fix it I had to figure it out no matter what it was in life I had to figure it out and to this day I can tell you I am so blessed because I can build I can fix I can do any and everything and I can do it very very well because I couldn't pay somebody to do it I had to figure it out myself and that was everything in life so being poor isn't really that bad if you make other things work for you where I was very lucky with my mom said a good foundation she made sure that I had morals values and ethics and when I left the house at 16 I had to start life all over again because living at home was not like living out in a new world where everybody's different and everybody sees and feels things different so I had to learn everything all over again money does not raise a child you need parents to raise a child and you need love to raise a child we might not have had what we wanted but we had something and we were taught love little bits and pieces of it but we were taught it and that's more than money could ever buy I wouldn't change a thing growing up I really wouldn't you don't have to have money it's nice to have money.

But I know some girls that I dated that their parents had lots of money and I didn't date them very long because they were snobby ass b****** who were entitled to everything

Somebody asked me would you rather marry a rich girl or a poor girl I said a poor girl because a poor girl is content she's happy not having anything before she knows what life is all about where a rich girl doesn't have a clue because she's been handed everything and if she doesn't get away she's going to throw a tantrum where poor girl doesn't have what she wants she's going to make it work

Nowadays whether you're rich or poor doesn't even matter because most kids don't get attention and the love and the caring and treated like kids should be treated they are yelled at they are screamed at their bullied and that's b*******. That's rich people and poor people it doesn't matter there's just some people that should never ever be allowed to have kids doesn't matter how rich or poor you are some people are not mentally capable of raising a child because of their actions they make it about themselves and not their child and that's wrong

TheRealPepperPotts · Answer

I think that it's too simplistic to say that, because in essence, that's a rather racist statement, if we analyse it according to the poverty rates in the US.

The number of black people whose income falls below the poverty line is double that of white people. So if we follow that out, essentially we'd be saying a higher percentage of black people should not have kids because of their poverty. Yikes.

What we really need to examine is why two incomes are required to meet basic needs like housing, food, fuel, and clothing, why childcare is prohibitively expensive, and why higher education has become an increasingly insurmountable barrier for people. That's just a basic version.

One option for reducing poverty rates might be legislation regulating the amount of housing sold to foreign buyers until certain supply and demand metrics are met for domestic buyers. Another would be making higher education more accessible for people. The better educated people are, the less children they have, actually.

It's not as black and white as "poor people shouldn't have kids". There's far more complexity to it.

HawkPerception · Answer

I see both sides to it. I think in the west we live very privileged lives and can say "You shouldn't have kids if you aren't financially ready." I myself wouldn't want kids unless I'm able to give them every opportunity I want them to have.

But once you realize the world's average income ANNUALLY is $12,000/year, that changes your perspective. The majority of people in the world live in poverty and since ancient times, the majority of people also lived in poverty in the west. It was only people of royalty that were able to have all the luxuries in life.

Most people have the desire to find love and raise a family of their own, and I think it's absolutely wrong to deny them that option.

If this question was not about money and rather overall character, my answer would be different. I think there's a lot of terrible people in the world that abuse their kids and traumatize them growing up. Those people should not have children. I think it's more important that a kid comes from a loving and caring family than a financially stable or wealthy family.

If you grew up poor, would you rather have not been born at all? I think the most of us would prefer to experience life, regardless of how hard it is and try to live to our fullest potential.

molonski2 · Answer

OMG , some of these answers ! Guess they are USA based predominantly , what has happened to the American dream? You want to create a unified Nation where a certain class can reproduce and others can't? Look , I'm the biggest free enterprise guy ever , I love free markets but , this question ( its tainted ) is utter lunacy..

Now , there are some things you may wish to outlaw , but to try and restrict reproduction is crazy , here is one for you , with education people have less children , all on their own , thats a fact..

Now working towards a common goal of decent education available for all , healthcare for all , no underemployment poverty , and the scenario becomes different , but you can't just ask this question and assume USA is the world , its not , its 50 odd counties combined..

Some of the best parents and kids here are from poorer families , but they need to be treated respectfully , and they need to be able to live , education , education , medical , respect and opportunity.

The question is completely flawed , You'd have Orange card ( cannot reproduce ) Yellow card ( reproduce on application ) Purple card ( Fck whoever you like ) .. Have you thought this though in reality?

NO NO NO and NO.

ThickyThrobbins · Answer

This is a tough subject because it really comes down to the initial quality of life, the terms of the parents and how they're connected, and if they will remain connected poverty, when you involve that that's direct line to quality of life and children all should never have to question why they don't have something that is a staple item. They should always have food. They should always have an outlet to have creativity and imagination they should always, be praised for good behavior and proper thought processes. I don't mean to get off topic. This is a very intricate and actually personal question/topic. I was born and raised in a poor family, alcohol and drug abuse from my parents. I actually don't remember a whole lot of my childhood because I was alone a lot and not a whole lot when your child when you by yourself becomes memorable it's a learning curve every day all day and teach yourself the rights and wrongs of everything that you go through that day and it becomes so natural that it's not an experience that you feel you've achieved an accomplishment because it's just you understanding something with yourself by yourself so that loan it is enough to think about not having children because you can't afford certain things once they are born and growing and learning if you know that you're not gonna be what they need you don't need to being that's going to suffer before they even able to comprehend that they exist. I apologize if this is too jumbled and just me rambling, but it's because this hits home very hard so very hard. Some of this means something to you because it means a lot to me.

Anonymous · Answer

It takes more than money to raise a kid. There are plenty of people who can "afford to have kids" and raise f**ked up kids who add nothing to society and turn out to be absolutely horrible people.
You should be financially, emotionally and if possible mentally prepared to have a kid. Not because you can afford to bring one into the world or because you're bored or because you think you'd do a better job than your parents but that's something else.
I've been to poor countries where people end up with so many kids because they can't afford contraception. Not everything is as accessible as it is in the west.
Kids need love, stability, consistency, order structure, a safe environment etc not just the bills paying and a roof over their heads.
Also, your financial status is never really guaranteed. You could be fine today and wake up and have nothing tomorrow. Nothing is for certain. Then what? When you had the kid you were able to afford them then you couldn't. Does that mean you stop being a parent? No, you still need to provide. You still need to be a parent coz someone else is depending on you to keep them safe.
Having a child is life time commitment and it's more than just another expense.

IslaTheWitch · Answer

there are multiple factors that should be considered...

kids are cruel... they will voice their opinion about poorer colleagues in indecent way...

kids need to belong to the peer group, but being the only one poor in the group would make a kid the target

kids evaluate others using what they have and others don't...

some teachers and parents of other kids also aren't fans of poorer kids...

so... if poor parents aren't able to raise confident kids who are well aware of their value... the risk of raising a future victim is quite high... and why bring a kid to this world to make them suffer?

sage2021 · Answer

I grew up without very much. My lovely arsehole father never paid his child support but went on and started another family and they had a brand new car and house, but my sister and I had nothing!
He had two boys with his new family and spoiled them rotten even as they were adults.
Growing up poor sucks! And for a lot of us, it followed us as adults.
We didn't have grandparents leave us any money or anything else when they died. Thank is how a lot of people end up with money when they are older cause the grandparents had houses and property they left to their children and grandchildren.

But that didn't happen for many of us.

I think not having very much growing up made me a better person though. I enjoy the simple things in life instead of chasing after money.
I have empathy for people and hurt when they hurt.
I don't have much money now but I give money to whomever needs it - because I know what it's like to have NO money.

CupcakeTheDestroyer · Answer

You should not have kids if you are not financially ready, that’s a sentiment I can agree with.
However, when you start to fall into that kind of classism, that’s when it becomes less about making sure someone is prepared for parenthood and more about a sense of control over the portion of the population you see as “less than” yourself. I don’t think that most people realize just how much you can make in a year and still be considered impoverished legally.

thegreenyogi · Answer

Honestly I do to some extent. I am a deep thinker and consequently I do think that bringing a new human being into this world cannot be taken lightly especially if you consider the times we live in. And when one day I become a mother I will want to give everything and more that child and protect that child from all life's sufferings. That child did not ask or have any say in the decision of having been brought into the world and I think if you don't have enough resources for yourself let alone for a child one should be very mindful of that.

Purpleronnie · Answer

Define poor people ? , define kids being expensive?

Choosing to have a child or not is a human right , and also to decide freely the number of children ?

No government or authoritative body should have the right to say a child should or should not be born.

Look at our history , the vast majority of us wouldn’t be here if this was true or enforced.

Economic stability could never be a good indicator of someone’s ability to be a parent

How could you anyone know how much money is needed to raise a child? What is they have an ailment that needs medical assistance? What happens to that child? .. one of the parents dies after the child is born , what happens to that child?

Etc etc

bobalife · Answer

Well that’s fucked up. Anyone is allow to dream and want kids as they choose and prepare for it. Ideally, people wanna be financially secure. Though not everyone is gonna be able to reached that goal depending on their circumstances and challenges/barriers. There’s definitely low income families who are still able to be good, loving parents and raise their kids in the right way. My parents didn’t started off financially secure in any means and worked their way up, but I still grow up with a humbled mindset and doing just fine. There’s many ways to navigate resources and able to be good parents to their kids. The world doesn’t need parents who actually mistreat their kids or don’t want kids even tho they have kids yet they aren’t caring nor being responsible.

Lynx122 · Answer

I don't know if there were only rich and educated people they wouldn't be having enough kids to keep humanity going. So poor people are the only ones that are having enough kids to actually grow a population. But I also get the point that you're making. It's a complicated question. I think we've just gotten to a point as a species where evolution doesn't work that well anymore. Nature is not a big factor in who lives or dies anymore. So we just have to deal with the reality we live in and make the best of it.

Chazmatazz269 · Answer

No. Raising happy, healthy kids isn’t as expensive as most people think. The hard part is people who have money all but universally think they’re better than people who don’t. They teach this ignorant and unnecessary judgement to their kids. So those empty little shits go to skool and marginalize kids who actually know their parents and get hugged daily for being “weird”. Ell oh ell!
People who have dollars but no sense spend a lot because they don’t know how to express a measure of value without literally putting a price tag on it.

katiesmuff · Answer

Not entirely! Truth is having kids and raising them is expensive with lots of tough love involved. Just because you are poor shouldn't disqualify you from having a child if you realize the hardship it is going to be on you properly raising your children.
What does bother me is these people who continue to get pregnant over and over again, usually single with not a pot to piss in expecting the world to feed and house them and usually they do a piss poor job of raising these unfortunate kids, hell some of these mothers are still kids themselves. I don't condone abortion, but do see a need for it to be available and for the woman to have choices.

Skinhead-1979 · Answer

*No*

My ex and I could have been classed as 'Poor' (22% of the British population lives in 'Relative' Poverty); I, generally, was the only one working on Minimum Wage.

My kids came as good as nothing short... Only holidays didn't happen (though we could have saved for that). Everything got bought new; they had all the toys they wanted; both had their own PC; wardrobes full with clothes.

I did most of the cooking; all meals were being cooked with fresh ingredients.

We had a small 2 bedroom flat, but the kids had their own rooms; I felt it was important they would have their own spaces... So every evening and morning I would drag out mattress into, or out of, the front room and the ex and I slept there.

GreenLanternI0I · Answer

100%. I'm helping someone to raise her 2 kids and it is Brutally expensive and Extremely difficult. Having kids just for the sake of having them or so you can simply call yourself a mother or a father is selfish and unfair towards kids that you are bringing into this world.

Aakash_Hangargi · Answer

I don't know from a certain point of the statement might seem agreeable.

But isn't it weird a person cannot have kids just because he doesn't have in abundance of money which is created by humans itself.

It does not make any sense for living beings to be governed by a non living thing and were money is taking presendency over a human life.

And how can you really define poverty, if we consider people who have nothing or less as poor then for every rich person there will be a richer person than him who might consider you as poor and if he argues you don't have rites to live as you are poorer than him how would it be justifiable?

If there wasn't the concept of money how would you define poverty?

Good or bad nature Is governed by the rule survival of the fitest.

lightbulb27 · Answer

Everyone ahould have kids when they are secure financially and able to care for them. A lot of people dont yse their brains amd so society subsidizes their kids. Kf the kids have support feom family comminity they are good if not stellar. Without, and without solid parents… they are hazard.

NaultD · Answer

Family support or larger safety nets of community is more of a driving factor. Bills and money is a solvable problem that can be met. Even if it means crime so long as it dosen't come home with you the kids are eating going to school well enough.

Time is more of an issue. This is where it takes a village to raise a child comes from. GrandParents, unkle, auntie, even schools day care is all about. This is where it's the breaking point of expensive for daily care.

strateguy632 · Answer

Not only should that be obvious, Poor people shouldn’t have kids maybe one it depends, but needs to be enforced somehow if they hav a second punish.

use protection

think!

Is there really any difference between the negligence of buying and buying huge credit card debt to the grave negligence of the debt owed to children when parents can't afford all the expenses it is negligence.

Theodorem89 · Answer

No, having kids adds meaning to your life that costs money. Money became our new God so no one had kids messing up our economy to make it more and more expensive to have kids. So now instead of being married having tax benefits you actually have less benefits. This weirdly makes it so having kids only makes sense if you're already 'middle' to lower income because nothing changes. High income doesn't really exist or they don't bother getting legally married. The point is, screw the system as hard as you can while getting screwed. Having kids has incredible reward and cost so I would put these trivial ideas of predictable outcomes aside and figure what gives your life meaning and happiness and pursue it fully knowing everything good comes at a cost. Just got here amidoinitrite?

Miristheiss · Answer

No.

Bad people shouldn't have kids. All of the evil, crime, drug use, promiscuity, entitled behavior, all of the crap going on in the world, it is because people raised the kids or didn't raise them at all to get them to turn out like this.

Parents jobs is to keep them healthy and cared for and to raise, good, honest, functioning, respectful, productive people for society.

People are fucked up now more than ever. The people who raised them fucked them up.

Ms_Facesitter · Answer

No. Bad people shouldn't have kids. Poor people learn to be humble.

TheSpaceGnome · Answer

No because humans are the only animals to use money, and yet everything else was breeding just fine for at least half a billion years.

Also having lots of kids adds to the number of income earners in a large household when they grow up, which is how most rich families became rich.

You gotta start somewhere.

TDDMS · Answer

Not having enough income to support a wife is a reason why I've been super responsible w/ my cock. I've found at times it was difficult for me to support myself. And having a kid. . . well children shouldn't be a financial burden. But if you are living pay check to pay check it's too much of a risk that if I were to get laid off, their lives are going to suck.

ChicoFromThe305 · Answer

I think it depends, I believe a family can thrive no matter the circumstances as long as they care for each other, and I think a child with poor parents is better than a child with no parents, I'm sure there's some in foster homes and I doubt they all were broke and couldn't raise them, some chose to just not want the responsibility.

Staximus · Answer

People shouldn't be having kids that they can't afford to support. My former co-worker's cousin is always asking her for money to buy diapers, clothes, etc. for her kids. She couldn't afford to provide for the kids she already had, and then had a couple more. Nobody should have to pay for her poor life decisions.

Jersey2 · Answer

No, I don’t agree with that. Poor people deserve the joy of children. It does not take that much money to raise kids. The BS out there that it takes a million or two to have kids is nonsense. I had kids, most of the costs in equations are optional such as a bigger house, parents paying college costs etc.

It’s just not that ex-endive and it is hype and fake news that it is. Poor people all over the world have children and they are all smiles in pictures and in life.

Unit1 · Answer

Yes. Then I would not be here and suffering daily from imposed poverty to this day, running in circles tryna stop being broke and sacrificing every single aspect of my life in the process.

kellytheman · Answer

I do agree that kids are very expensive to have with hospital bills and take care of a child. It depends how poor you are if you are living paycheck to paycheck it’s probably not a good idea to have a kid but you really can’t stop poor people having sex and probably can’t afford or unable to get condoms or some form of birth control.

purplepoppy · Answer

There's a saying in the UK, you need to be wealthy or on welfare to have kids.

Hispanic-Cool-Guy · Answer

Agree.

Common sense should tell them if they are having a difficult time maintaining themselves financially then having a kid will double their stress and financially problems and with each kid they have the more difficult financially it will get for them with more stress added on.

EmmaMary · Answer

As cruel as it may sound, those not in a financially stable relationship should very seriously consider not having any offsprings until they are comfortably able to support them themselves.

BetaBucks · Answer

As long as you can fulfill their basic needs without forcing other people to care for the kids, then you should make as many babies as you want. As soon as neglect or welfare becomes their reality, you're in the wrong.

patois · Answer

The average price to raise a kid is something like $18,250 per year. So you should probably try to earn $20K+ per kid per year over what it cost for you to live comfortably or life will get significantly harder.

Anonymous · Answer

Not at all. People should have kids when they're young and people tend to be poor when they're young.

Losers shouldn't have kids.
Single people shouldn't have kids.

But if they're in a loving relationship, having kids can make a LOT of sense even if you're still poor. But you SHOULD have a plan and some progress to a career and fixing that problem!

NathanDavis · Answer

I don't agree with that Nazi stuff... how about being more responsible as government, and provide basic necessities, ensure there's access to it

exitseven · Answer

People that cannot afford to have kids should not have them. The rest of us should not have to pay for kids that are not their own.

It is not fair to bring a baby into the world that will be born into abject poverty.

Bricealan · Answer

Trying to bring up children, if you are not financially prepared to do it is tough on you AND them. I grew up in a 'poor' family and it was sometimes hard to deal with.

avery58 · Answer

Well they at least shouldn't have more than what they can take care of. Like 3-5. But at the end, we can't tell others what to do.

Anonymous · Answer

Nope. I vehemently disagree with this elitest mindset. It is the same idea that lead to the Holocaust in Germany, The Holodomor in Ukraine, The Great Leap Forward in China (they lept over the bodies of murdered Chinese citizens), as well as most other modern genocides.

Apple1996 · Answer

Nah rich kids turn out to be little turds in society. Better off the poor only has kids

normalice · Answer

It is perhaps unwise but what good are we as a society if we aren't prioritizing lessening that precise unwisdom.

on_my_knees · Answer

These are highly unimaginative people. Kids can, in fact, be profit generators. Just look at Donald Trump, Jr.

MoroccanPrincess · Answer

I agree with all the comments. Plus it wouldn't be fair to the kids either

Astarlessnightsky · Answer

Or, you could change the laws so even poor people can afford kids. Give them enough so these kids can grow up without lacking anything.

Dargil · Answer

If we left reproduction to the wealthy we would be gone in two generations. But not to worry. Mohammedans reproduce like rats and they will take over one cum load at a time. Allahu Akbar!

WhitneySnow · Answer

No of course they should have kids but they shouldn’t have like five or six of them. This goes for all genders.

DryGermanGuy · Answer

Somehow this reminds me of the Simpsons episode that explained how Homer lost his hair. 😂😂😂

Drewtate · Answer

A very short sighted statement. The question is why are kids so expensive?

Ad_Quid_Orator · Answer

"Poor" is a relative term but the issue here is that if people who couldn't financially support children didn't have them, not enough children would be born to sustain the population.

sean1234 · Answer

Poor people on average probably take better care of their kids than rich ones.

Avicenna · Answer

No, being able to have children is recognized internationally as a human right.

Anonymous · Answer

Yes, most people shouldn't have kids in today's society. But to have kids when you can't even afford your own life is unconscionable.

FunkyMonkee · Answer

But, they don't have anything to do but fuck all day!

Anonymous · Answer

If poor people don't have kids nobody will because 'rich' people certainly are not having kids.

gorydetails · Answer

I think people should make good decisions before starting a family. I do not think anything should be mandated by law.

Luopio27 · Answer

Im poor substitute teacher. I dont need a child of my own. At work I help kids to learn.  I say no, if tvey end up growing homeless.

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