Trump said "I will not give 1 penny to any school that has a vax mandate". Will / can he truly cut all public ed funding? What are the consequences?

[DrPepper12]

Polio, measles, mumps, diphtheria, tetanus, meningitis, hep B, pertussis, rubella are all currently required vaxs in all 50 states.

What would the economic & health consequences be?

Is this a double good deal by getting govt out of ppls lives 2 for one?

Yes he can & should cut funding to all schools over vaxs.

No he can't & shouldn't cut funding to all schools over vaxs.

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[MrOracle]

First of all, you DO understand that even if this was true, it wouldn't prevent you from having your kid vaccinated, right? The problem isn't so much the vaccination, it's the MANDATE.

There were lots of people during COVID who had health issues that caused their doctors to strongly recommend against being vaccinated. Yet, because of vax MANDATES, they either had to get vaxed or lose their job. Many got vaxed to keep their jobs only to have serious complications - including death - only for the government to be forced to admit 2 years later that the vaccines didn't actually do anything for the strains of COVID going around. Many others lost their jobs - sometimes along with their homes - in order to avoid the vaccines, because of the MANDATE.

Again - there was a MANDATE that people take a vaccine that the government later admitted was USELESS against the strains of COVID going around at the time (as well as the strains since), and the MANDATE itself caused great harm to a lot of people, while doing exactly NOTHING positive for anyone but the drug companies who sold billions of dollars of vaccines to the government.

These mandates were not implemented for MEDICAL reasons - even though medical justifications were made at the time - but for POLITICAL reasons. And that's WRONG - PERIOD.

Trump is absolutely right not to support MANDATES - even though he supported the development of the vaccines themselves. There's a huge difference.

I don't know what funding he could or couldn't cut - probably not much, without support from Congress - but he is nevertheless absolutely correct to oppose mandates. Mandates are WRONG and EVIL - full stop.

[DrPepper12]

Ummmmmm... This isn't about COVID. I listed the required vaxs. COVID is not on the list. Thanks for playing. 🙄

[MrOracle]

COVID was not originally on the list - and then suddenly it WAS on the list - and now it's been removed again. That's the whole point: anything could be added to the list and made mandatory at any time, for any reason (COVID proved that you don't need a medical or scientific basis for anything - Fauci was just making stuff up the entire time, and was forced to admit it during the Senate investigation). And that's precisely why such mandates are EVIL.

The vaccinations you listed have been around for decades, and they use very different technology and methodology than the COVID RDNA "vaccine" did, so people very rightly see them differently (and those people were proven correct!), but there are STILL people who have medical conditions or religious beliefs that make them unable or unwilling to be vaxed - and a MANDATE would force the issue, which is why they are EVIL. We lived 100 years without a mandate - and when one was put into place, it was a total disaster. Why in the world would you support another one?

[Twalli]

Thr vaccine wasn't developed to stop people from getting COVID-19. That's what people don't understand. Vaccines are designed with an endpoint. Thr endpoint of the COVID-19 Vaccine was death, not infection. As it gave you a 2500% higher chance of living through it, I'd say it worked. It did provide some immunity but at only 800%.

[MrOracle]

Those numbers you are quoting and, which are "estimates", are also for the original strain of the virus, which was already dead by the time the vaccines began to ship. That's the reason viruses are so dangerous - they mutate quickly. And as Fauci admitted, the Vax was not effective against the Omicron variant, which was the variant that was going around when the Vax mandates were being pushed, and is still the main strain that is still going around in North America (they have classified at least 6 sub-strains of Omicron).

Also, Fauci DID say, on television, that the vaccine WOULD prevent the spread of COVID - which many medical organizations and thousands of medium and large businesses used to justify Vax mandates, even though he later admitted that he knew at the time that wasn't true. "I wanted to encourage everyone to get vaccinated" so he justified an outright lie that had a massive impact on public policy and destroyed lives and careers - and many people STILL believe the lies today because they saw Fauci on TV, so it must be true. Fauci now says "that was probably a mistake." Yeah, you think?

The military has been forced to change the records of thousands of soldiers who were booted out of the military over the mandates, but that doesn't restore their careers. But the fact that they have reversed their decisions should tell you how bad those decisions were and how indefensible they are today.

[blueonblack22]

@DrPepper12 and meanwhile Kamala is saying she is going to “fix” the inflation problem. I know the mass media is completely bereft of duty with asking her any legitimate serious questions. However I have to ask:

1) How?

2) What has she done as sitting VP to stop hyperinflation besides pushing more spending via supporting Biden’s insanity?

3) What the f*ck does she know about private enterprise and economics? She’s been a public servant her entire life.

Do you people seriously want more f*cking hyperinflation and imploding economy given the Harris Walz ticket will be the most leftist presidential ticket in American History?

[DrPepper12]

The only HYPER is YOU!! Hyper is 50% A MONTH dumass!! The fed and congress control monetary and fiscal policy respectively, NOT POTUS!!! Read a book or reputable journalism!!

[blueonblack22]

Who crushed domestic oil and energy production in the USA which skyrocketed energy costs (which directly contributed to inflation)? The Biden Harris administration.

Who pushed trillions of dollars for tax payer funded programs that most Americans don’t want or needs: the Biden Harris administration.

Who has displayed absolute incompetence and fecklessness when it comes to foreign policy resulting in two raging overseas wars and American tax payers footing the bill to support Ukraine and Israel (and to feed Palestine): the Biden Harris administration.

Who left the border wide open and flooded our country with millions for illegal immigrants costing even more taxpayers even more money? The Biden Harris administration.

How exactly is Harris going to “fix” any of those problems when she is the one who promoted them to f*cking begin with?

[dustybiker2]

What do the American people want as a whole? This man needs constant reminding he isn't re-applying for a selfless job. He wants a job that serves the people of the Unites States. All he sees is power and no idea even after four previous years and two impeachments later how the job actually works.

[Anonymous]

I don't know if he can or cannot do that. However, I can imagine him making a dangerous promise like this one. He forgets that if people are sick they can't work and if they can't work the economic doesn't grow.
Of course, we're talking about Trump so this isn't surprising...

[Juxtapose]

No.

"According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), all 50 states and the District of Columbia have vaccination exemption laws. The type of vaccine exemption allowed depends on state laws.

Most other states allow vaccine exemptions for religious or personal beliefs. Personal, philosophical, and religious exemptions are all examples of nonmedical exemptions. Now, 44 states, plus the District of Columbia, allow religious exemptions. Only 15 states allow philosophical exemptions."

[Juxtapose]

This website is really dumb with links so I have to break it up..

https://www.findlaw.com/

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0have%20vaccination%20exemption%20laws.

[DrPepper12]

Yes. There's always personal exemptions. He wants to eliminate mandates for vaxs in general.

[Juxtapose]

I am all for getting rid of mandates. The government should not have the power to tell people to take medicine. I believe in a nightwatch state, Locke style.

[DrPepper12]

But carrying a fetus to term isn't intrusive?
A draft isn't intrusive?
Mandated electronic tolls isn't intrusive?

Your concerned about a mandate backed by science and for the general welfare? That's your priority?

[Juxtapose]

1. I am all for abortion so you're barking up the wrong tree there. Just abort the thing before it develops a brainstem and there is no pain.

2. The draft is unconstitutional, there's really no credible debate about that in my opinion. Forced servitude is forced servitude.

3. Yeah, fuck those too.

Fuck your mandates. Let me make my own adult choices.

[AviatorTom]

Political candidates always say things they cannot do, on the basis that most of the electorate will like hearing it, and few will realize it won't happen.

Harris, for example, touts in her online ads that she will make a women's choice a constitutional guarantee in all states. I'm sure she knows that the amending the US Constitution requires a 2/3 vote of the states, and that's never gonna happen on this. But it sounds good.

[Anonymous]

Who cares? The federal government doesn't deal with the vast, vast, VAST majority of school funding. Almost all of that is done by local government.

It's kinda hilarious how the morons in the media CONSTANTLY let politicians get away with making asinine proclamations about shit that is WAY outside their mandate while letting them slide on all the shit they actually CAN control. To see this applied to the other side, look at all the breathless coverage of Biden's proposal for Supreme Court reform. An issue that is 100% determined outside of the executive branch.

[DrPepper12]

You are correct. Fed's only supply 5-8%.

[Opinion Owner]

Yeah.

[exitseven]

He probably cannot do that without congress but there is a lot that he could do. One of the things he wants to do is eliminate the DOE and give each state the ability to run it's own school districts. Then it would be up to the individual states whether or not to have a Vax mandate.

[DrPepper12]

Why eliminate doe?

[exitseven]

The states should be allowed to run their own schools
The DOEisrun by the teachers union anyway and they turned public schools into liberal indoctrination centers.
Get rid of the whole thing and implement school choice where the money follows the student.

[DrPepper12]

Do you know what the DoE does? They distribute funds according to need. They set safety and staffing rules. They only supply 3-8% of funds to schools! They're just a clearing house for $, best practices and safety. They DO NOT set curriculum in any way at all!!! How can you indoctrinate kids if there is no curriculum?

[andreasderjuengere]

Once he gets ''supported'' by pharma industry, he'll change his mind.

[msc545]

Trump actually can do this and probably would if given the chance. Yet another reason to never ever again give him a chance.

[Anonymous]

He can say whatever he wants. He’s not getting in again LOL

[Anonymous]

School funding is supposed to come from local property taxes, not federal funds.

[DrPepper12]

Fed's supply about 5-8%

[gorydetails]

Then the states can change their rules.

[DrPepper12]

Yes states can. The DoE would cut funding if they did tho

[gorydetails]

Thanks for another good reason to kill the DoE

[Twalli]

He ca. As POTUS, he should not.