Should public schools be defunded?

[Anonymous]

[exitseven]

I think there should be school choice. Citizens can receive the per pupil fee charged by their local public school system and use that money towards sending their child to a private school. 11 states already are doing this and more are trying to follow.

[gorydetails]

This is usual leftist propaganda. Schools aren't public schools, they're government schools. The government makes it crystal clear they don't want the public to have any say in the curriculum.

What conservatives are saying is that parents should have more say in their children's education. Baltimore spends about $21k per pupil. 40% of them have lower than a 1.0 GPA. One school has 50% of its students at or below a.13 gpa. And no the decimal place isn't a typo. Baltimore is wholly democrat-run. They're the ones ruining the schools.

[exitseven]

In all baltimore high schools not a single student scored a passing grade in math competency.

[gorydetails]

@exitseven yup, and you’ll see the idiots on this reply chain go “rEPuBlicAnS wAnT to KEeP BrOwN PeOpLe StUPiD”. Baltimore schools are 75% black and run by democrats.

[0verthinkExpert]

Public schools need to be gutted (remove political propaganda, critical race theory, gender theory lies, grooming kids, lining the pockets of teacher unions, socialism, marxism, etc) and school choice needs to be available. A complete clean up and budget revision is what's needed.

[inhua]

maybe but a better solution would be to fire all the woke liberal teachers and change the school curriculum

[inhua]

but I wouldn't be against defunding them because most of the money gets wasted on stupid shit anyways. my old school didn't use their money wisely, instead of getting updated textbooks, they spend their money on painting over graffiti and within a week, the graffiti was back

[genericname85]

i think you should be able to withdraw your tax money from a particular school, if they teach bullshit like gender science or critical race theory.

[Unit1]

or memorizing poems like Herr von Ribbeck auf Ribbeck im Havelland instead of something useful like how to unclog drainage pipes.

[genericname85]

@Unit1 never even heard of that one.

[Anonymous]

Oh my good GOD yes! Look at how much they spend per pupil in some of the WORST school districts in the country. More than the cost of an (overpriced!) college education. So much money is being pissed away it's sickening!

[Jersey2]

I love when Oprah had on a school principal complaining that the school roof leaked in Detroit. She gave them $500,000 and he embezzled it and got caught.

[Opinion Owner]

@Jersey2 LMFAO!

[normalice]

Obviously not. Public Education is the foundation of civilization. Which is why right wingers want to end it..

[MrOracle]

Public education is 100 years old - I think you'll find that civilization existed long before that.

[normalice]

You think we were civilized 100 years ago, eh?

[normalice]

Was it because that's when the darkies knew their place? Is that what civilized is to you?🤔

[Kingofkings1992]

Everything is politically driven with you. Pathetic

[normalice]

@Kingofkings1992 I'm not the one slavishly loyal to the far right party that injects politics into absolutely everything because they know they can't win without division 🤷

[DarkWinterNights]

Public education is completely broken. Test scores are at their lowest levels ever recorded since the creation of the board of education. There needs to be a change.

[normalice]

Also, how is it not political to want to defund public education, but it is political to want to fund it? That's some ragetard shit there, nimrod.

[Kingofkings1992]

@normalice No one mentioned politics, you can’t state any opinion without trashing the Republican Party. What kind of brain dead moron do you have to be to vote for someone like Joe Biden?

[love_conquers_lust]

Right wingers want to choose the source of their kid’s education. They want to form their own public. Why shouldn’t those vouchers go towards the schools of their choice if they are forced to pay for it at the federal level?

It’s illegal to segregate, Brown v. Board. But it’s also illegal to desegregate across county lines, Milliken v. Bradford. Forced segregation is just as bad as forced integration. So, you have a problem when people self-segregate? Freedom of association?

This is why I have a problem with diversity. It’s starting to infringe on the rights of individuals be showing favoritism over others.

Plus, no one in Iowa is stopping you from sending your kids to public or private schools. Their recent change in law gave them freedom of choice, something the Left constantly harps on (abortion rights maybe, rights of the fetus maybe).

[normalice]

@love_conquers_lust no they don't. They want brown people to go to a different school. Thats all this is about.

[love_conquers_lust]

It’s equivalent, at least to those who seek self segregation on the grounds of race. I can write about a whole bunch of scientific stuff arguing with you but I’ve found it comes down to one question I haven’t been able to think of a good answer to. Where do we draw the line (s) with preference (s)?

Secondly, is that even the root cause? Is it more about income inequality and finances? Are they intwined? What’s the predominant factor?

We are human, yes. But we are different. Race emerges even from homogenized populations, so theoretically, racism will always exist until we can engineer our own genetic code, and that opens up a whole can of worms I don’t think the world is ready to deal with, but it’s probably coming.

[Kingofkings1992]

@normalice no, actually I didn’t. I responded to YOU mentioning politics. I mean, I already knew you weren’t the brightest on gag, but that’s a new low even for you. 🤣

[Kingofkings1992]

@normalice also, I’m not slavishly royal to the Republican party. I don’t think being too far vested on either side is a good thing. I just know that radical leftist idiots like you are at the bottom of the barrel as far as deserving my respect.

[normalice]

@Kingofkings1992 I didn't mention politics, ragetard. I mentioned right wingers. You shit heads aren't political. You're just ragetards who think you are 🤷

[Jersey2]

Education will still exist, it will just be done by competing companies supplies schooling. We don’t need government dentists. We don’t need government car makers. We don’t need government run schools which are vastly underperforming.

[Jersey2]

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[love_conquers_lust]

@Jersey2 I don’t agree with you on government education. I’m not about to attend McDonald’s University and get a master’s in grease scraping. I agree with Iowa in letting schools be chosen by communities at the local level. There will still be both private and public schools. The colleges can still get funding from federal funding if they want

We still need government licensing for practicing professionals so they don’t go around building bridges that fall down because a contractor was too cheap to but the right size parts. Doctor’s forgoing anesthesia because the gas is too expensive. Or teachers disregarding FERPA laws because parents want total access to their and other children’s curriculum.

[normalice]

@Jersey2 for profit education is a really dumb idea. Any service that can be done for profit can be done better if that profit is instead used for better services. The only argument for privatization is that the profit is the reward for selling something people want. But that's not where the profit comes from in private education. The profit comes entirely from what they can sneak passed the taxpayers.

[normalice]

@love_conquers_lust Iowa doesn't actually do that. They just say they do while really they shut down schools because they funneled all the money to Corey DeAngelis and pals. Our dumb governor primaried two state legislators from her own party because they knew her voucher scam would shut down the schools in their area, permanently, so they wouldn't advance it. There has never once been a successful for profit voucher program because there has never once been anything written into any legislation that allows it that also guards against scams. And the reason why no guards against scams have ever been put into voucher legislation is BECAUSE THATS THE WHOLE DAMN POINT of the vouchers - to get our money to billionaires. Like every republican action ever is..

[love_conquers_lust]

@normalice So you’re saying this is all a bunch of crap.

iowacapitaldispatch.com/.../

Yes, it’s going to defund public schools and shift the costs towards the local level. In fact, the progression of the bill gives low income parents and children a head start on using the voucher. This is how schools used to be. They were funded by local communities only. Then the federal government stepped in and increased federal taxes unburdening taxes at the local level. It’s accounting costs in my opinion and parents get more control over where their kids attend school. There’s a reason private school teachers make less than public schools, the kids tend not to be shitheads because those parents discipline their kids.

[Jersey2]

@normalice That is fantasy. Government schools are extraordinarily corrupt, inefficient and ineffective. They produce garbage results in many counties. They don’t invest what would be the profit because their schools are horribly run and the money is just pissed away or stolen. Fantasyland.

[normalice]

@Jersey2 only when they are run by republicans. Anyway, the actual fantasy is the absurd belief that rich people, who got rich exclusively bv being given money and keeping it, will benevolently throw money already given to them at kids' education. That's the sort of stupidity where it's hard to believe anyone can actually be that stupid, but instead you are only pretending to in an effort to generate some appeasement for that sort of stupidity - showing people the6, too, can get attention if they pretend to be that stupid. Knowing the attention starved right wing ragetards will inevitably play along.

[normalice]

@love_conquers_lust the article doesn't say what you seem to think it is saying. There is no mention of for profit schools nor any mention of how the legislation was written to avoid scams. Because. The. Scam. Is. The. Point.

[love_conquers_lust]

I don’t know what to tell you, man. All I see is an article. The people of Iowa I encountered were usually straight shooters when I lived there.

Parents get federal refunds, which they paid for, to send their kids elsewhere. The states were the ones getting the funding from the federal government bundled with standards they imposed. And there is a major problem with public schools all across the nation that is independent of Covid. I have relatives in education in Kansas that are having issues. So Iowans are pulling their kids out until the Federal government pulls their heads out of their collective asses and actually learns how to be effective educators that unite people instead if dividing them. Frankly, this plan GIVES the federal government the results they’ve been producing, division. Pathways to hell, built with best intentions.

[normalice]

@love_conquers_lust yes, the problem with public schools was caused by republicans constantly cutting funding. They did it on purpose so they could give the money to private profiteers, as they have done with countless other services and as they will do with the USPS next. If I were a betting man I would happily bet you that, despite the fact that you don't really have any feeling about the USPS now, in ten years or so the people who convinced you to hate public schools will also convince you to hate the USPS for many of the same reasons,

[love_conquers_lust]

You keep mentioning profiteering. I’m not arguing wealth distribution isn’t a problem. The core of that lies with corporate licensure and board level representation. Democrats want to tax the shit out of upper income earners like they did during the world wars. It’s the only way you can get companies to raise a standing army without them bickering over who pays for what. But, it stagnates growth. I watched Republicans lie their ass off at the Republican primary within the first 5 minutes. They bastardized the interpretation of Rich Men North of Richmond when they focused on people’’s net income, completely ignoring the gross. They trimmed the most important lyrics from the song. The artist expressed the dame frustration of them misrepresenting his song when his lyrics were:

“I’ve been selling my soul, working all day, overtime hours, for bull shit pay.”

They genuinely think their base is stupid distracting them with racial and gender divide so they blame the guvn’t, muh guvn’t. Rule of law, blah blah blah. How the fuck do you pay for rule of law if you don’t tax?

My big thing is remove Affirmative action and implement codetermination in corporate licensure, but what the fuck do I know?

[normalice]

@love_conquers_lust if you're going to misrepresent everything, I don't have the patience to just tell you "no, you have been lied to or are lying about X which is really Y" over and over. Sorry. Either you genuinely believe it and I, some random guy on the internet, am not going to compete with the billions spent to trick you into believing it, or you're part of that muliti-billion dollar effort to trick others, which again only means I can't do anything about it 🤷

[Jersey2]

@normalice My kids went to a school that was one of the best in the country and it was public. But the country was Republican and serious about education. The nearby democrat city spent more per student and had a massive drop out rate couple with scandals. Democrats run schools like they do cities and police forces… its all crap and the results are staggering in that they are so absolutely terrible. By the way, I think there is something seriously wrong with you, nothing will change that for whatever it is you are pushing for.

[normalice]

@Jersey2 republicans are not serious about education. You have zero credibility, sorry..

[Jersey2]

@normalice Here is a liberal news outlet, MSN, reporting on Baltimore schools not having 1 student testing at grade level. Not one. Zero, nada, zilch. This in a state ranked number 2 in population for holding a Bachelors degree. Not one…

But keep voting in the a-holes that provide these results and then blame someone else for it. Waste, mismanagement, corruption… they already shut down due to heat multiple times this year, heat days they call them. The AC doesn’t work but kids all over the world and in the past learned without AC. Why do these schools not have AC though? Waste, mismanagement and corruption. They do work from home on zoom I guess but we know what results that delivers.

People like you have stolen their education because you vote for the, over and over.

[Jersey2]

@normalice

www.msn.com/.../ar-AA17rurM

[normalice]

@Jersey2 right, because conservatives have been intentionally underfunding education at least since Reagan. That's how they have turned every single basic government service over to private profiteers: call efforts to fund it socialism, defund it until it fails, use its failure as an excuse to give it away to private profiteers who are accountable to no one. It's a stupid trick that works and has worked over and over. It's sad people keep falling for it. Who would have thought this piecemeal erosion of democracy by pointing to individual slices and calling them socialism until people are so mad they'll actually vote to give it away would work. It's so dumb...

[Jersey2]

Baltimore spends $21,000 per student for this debacle. The mean for schools is under $12,000. The school my kids to was also around the mean per student. It was also diverse. It was also… one of the best in the country.

[normalice]

@Jersey2 great. That isn't contradictory information, however. The fact is conservatives have been underfunding public education for decades. 21k per student for "baltimore," even if correct, doesn't tell the whole story. Baltimore is large. I'm sure schools in expensive neighborhoods drive up that average while poor neighborhoods bear the brunt of all the conservative funding yanking. Remember half the point of privatizing education is to build a permanent underclass. Ensuring rich schools get the funding they need and poor schools don't, then so naturally obfuscating it by speaking only in terms of averages for whole cities only underscores how long conservatives have been trying to sabotage public education.

[Jersey2]

No. My kids and I lived in an upscale neighborhood and we did it for less than half of Baltimore which is a sh! thole. The schools in our nearby city also spent more than my county but they had half dropping out while our schools were highly rated. The cities get more money because they SAY that money will solve the problem when it obviously doesn’t.

[Jersey2]

Since you questioned the $21,000 per pupil, here is a link that shows it. There are many links but I will spare us both a foxnews as you will find that suspect at best…

www.mdpolicy.org/.../baltimore-city-students-deserve-better-education-opportunities

[Jersey2]

Oh, and you’ll notice there is a large component of money coming from the federal government and state government to try and un-f*ck this but of course it just gets stolen and squandered… its not a mo ey problem and hasn’t been one.

[normalice]

@Jersey2 I gotta be honest. I'm not reading any of that. You've made clear you want to give more money to the rich no matter what i say, so 🤷

[Jersey2]

@normalice Conversations with you have been amusing but mainly tedious. Imma block you.

[love_conquers_lust]

@normalice I tried reaching across the aisle. My solution proposes taking money AWAY from the rich, but you're not having it. There are rich people on both sides that are not doing their jobs reporting to their voters. I can only lead a horse to water.

[normalice]

@love_conquers_lust but your solution proposes giving more money to the rich. If your side was serious you would prioritize language in voucher bills that choked off profiteering. The reason you don't is because profiteering is the whole point. What you say doesn't matter. The legislation you support gives more money to the rich. Thats just facts 🤷

[love_conquers_lust]

Explain to me how board representatives elected by workers instead of shareholders choosing board directors who chose the executive officers from the work force will benefit the rich. Explain to me why BLER en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Worker_representation_on_corporate_boards_of_directors is going to put more money in the hands of the rich. Explain to me how when I elect Billy Bob the welder who has a bum knee who lives in a shitty riverfront home along the Cedar River is going to vote more earnings every quarter into shareholder and executive pockets as opposed to giving workers an annual bonus ranging anywhere from$1000-$100000 per employee. Doing the EXACT same thing Henry Ford did when he was taken to court by the Dodge Brothers crying about Ford despising both shareholders and unions as parasites. Explain to me how setting up boards to pit those two greedy entities against one another as a check and balance is NOT a good solution.

I heard a smart ass joke from the boys in Iowa about moving the Iowa/Missouri border north would raise both states IQs. What nobody told them was two of the country’s most intelligent people (man and woman) live right here in the old slaver show-me state of Missouri. Iowa boys. Corn fed, corn bred, corn bled.

[normalice]

@love_conquers_lust I'm saying what it already has done, not what right wing misinformation says it will do so they can keep getting more of our money without doing anything to earn it.

[normalice]

I'll put it this way. If somehow over the internet I could show you voucher programs were exactly the grift I'm explaining, would you suddenly decide to be an advocate for public school funding? No. You've made up your mind based on what you want to be true instead of what is true. But the big problem with that is what you want to be true has been dictated to you by people who want to have all the money. That's "the grift"

[love_conquers_lust]

@normalice. You are arguing to argue, you won’t concede that my solution helps you because you didn’t come up with it. You have a pride problem. I’m not asking for anything in return. It’s free information.

My solution addresses profiteering with profit SHARING. Read the link. None of this is was told to me by a Republican representative. I figured it out on my own. Party affiliation can be an emergent phenomena, it’s not all “taught”. It is already practiced in Europe.

[normalice]

@love_conquers_lust you responded to me. Indeed, you describe yourself too precisely to rule out the possibility that you are well aware that it's a grift, and you actually want that.

[love_conquers_lust]

Iowans should be free to associate with whoever they please, that includes their kids and you. Get over it.

[normalice]

@love_conquers_lust that isn't what the vouchers do, though. What the vouchers do is give more money to the rich. Nothing further.

[love_conquers_lust]

You can publish a link to the screen shot of what you're talking about. Otherwise, I’m not taking your word on anything when I’ve provided more proof than you.

[normalice]

@love_conquers_lust you've provided no proof. And I already asked you if proof would change your mind, to which you just doubled down. I'm not wasting my time.

[love_conquers_lust]

Balls in your court. You have links. You also don’t know how to properly use “doubled down”. I said I’m not taking your word. With the way you’ve been speaking, I won’t take your word as proof. You don’t ask someone if they’ll change their mind about something before they’ve read it. You’re a controlling little shit. It’s typical in emotional democrats. Constantly dog whistling because they’re afraid to provide clear evidence, data, and solutions. You want abject agreement regardless of outcome.

[normalice]

@love_conquers_lust I asked if proof would change your mind. Instead of answering you continued to cling to your misinformation. That's doubling down.

[love_conquers_lust]

HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW BEFORE I READ IT YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

[normalice]

@love_conquers_lust it was a hypothetical question, ragetard. You're failure to understand only says you didn't even read the question. But it's all moot anyway. You've pretty much admitted you just want to bring back segregation. That's your end goal so discussions about effectiveness are all bullshit.

[love_conquers_lust]

So you don’t have proof. We’re done.

[normalice]

@love_conquers_lust so you aren't even going to bother denying that proof wouldn't vhange your mind. This is why I never took you seriously from the start, you know.

[DextroShade]

There is a need for public education because all parents cannot be expected to homeschool their kids but the woke groomer teachers need to be fired, blacklisted, and never allowed near children again.

[Jersey2]

Vouchers allow parents to select a school. We don’t need the government to provide most things in our lives and we know how to select a company for various needs.

[Fireguy17]

No, private schools are unaffordable to so many people.

[MarshmalowTreats]

They're cheaper than public schools.

[Fireguy17]

@MarshmalowTreats I already pay taxes for public schools and in order to send kids to a private school costs even more money so when you do the math it comes out to be more expensive to send them to a private school.

[MarshmalowTreats]

You haven't heard of school vouchers? Private schools are cheaper than public schools.

[007kingifrit]

@MarshmalowTreats how so? public schools are free for the average parent's perspective

[MarshmalowTreats]

@007kingifrit

The average cost of K-12 in public schools is $16,000 per year.
Anything private is cheaper than the government. But even if it was the same, and they just handed you the $16,000 voucher; no one would send their kids to the war zones.

[Fireguy17]

@MarshmalowTreats not in our state and what war zone are you referring to?
I have lived in the area for most of my life and I know of no war zone.

[007kingifrit]

@MarshmalowTreats ok i agree that a voucher system would make private school appear to be cheaper for all or most cases

[Unit1]

Yeah, school sucks and is boring and not needed anyway.

[Sasha0426]

Education isn’t needed?

[Unit1]

@Sasha0426
Yes.
Not this type of education anyway.

https://youtu.be/uAZqMaBY2MI

[MarshmalowTreats]

America should have free WiFi like in Soul Korea, and just give all kids a computer.

[Jersey2]

Yes. An vouchers given so people can select the best for their children.

[MysticDevice]

I don't think so butI do think public schools need a much better curriculum than what they have.

[BootsLover94]

Lol that would be silly and plain stupid

[legalboxers]

and FUND Private Schools?

[CrimsonAngel09]

Nope.

[helva]

Not at all.

[riverrat3]

Nope