Guys, The Supreme Court strikes down use of race in college admissions. Does that mean the Supreme Court believes the races have equal intelligent?

[Kelley1]

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As the Vietnamese boat people prove, it takes one generation to rise out of poverty. Therefore, since all races are equally intelligent, other than for first-generation immigrants, there is no justification for race-based diversity admission into college. All it does is reward lazy races and penalize motivated races that put forth the effort to achieve.

[abc3643]

I assume you mean the Harvard case:

20-1199 Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President and Fellows of Harvard College (06/29/2023)

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/20-1199_hgdj.pdf

It's easy to understand that this opinion was written by CJ John Roberts; this is his pet issue going all the way back to his 2007 opinion in Parents Involved v. Seattle School District No. 1 with its famous quote "The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race." For decades, he has preferred minimizing the use of race in legislation and such as possible.

To answer this question:

Does that mean the Supreme Court believes the races have equal intelligent?

The answer to that is "No. But they don't and will never have an official opinion on that." The SCOTUS perspective is never about intelligence or any other thing. They are asserting racial blindness under the law. Their job is interpreting the law. That's it.

[WindAtMyBack]

It doesn't mean that at all. The media reports a very abbreviated, and probably biased, version of things. It's always more complicated than that.

If someone has never read the official opinions of the court, they should. There is not as much legalese as you might expect. The opinions are actually understandable by the average person.

Read both sides, not just one. The opinions are well-written and give good arguments. If you read one side you'll think "Hmm, those are some good points. That totally makes sense." Then you read the other side and think "That makes sense too."

BOTH sides will give good well-written arguments that make sense. You might not agree with the final decision, but at least the arguments make sense. It's not just arbitrary decisions.

Read the full text. They aren't that long, and you can usually understand enough to at least understand the types of things that come into play.

[OlderAndWiser]

Things such as this are either approved or disapproved because the Court determines that they are constitutional and lawful, or unconstitutional/unlawful. Social policy judgments should not play a role in these decisions.

[blueonblack22]

Affirmative action has been used in college admissions for 50+ years. It was supposed to give the historically underrepresented minorities a chance to move up the social ladder with higher education.

For some notable minorities this worked out for the best. General Colin Powell benefited from affirmative action and went on to be a very successful military officer and politician.

But has it really helped even the playing field into some sort of “utopia” for American society after 50 years? I personally think it’s done more harm then good in the long run. Primary reason being is many non-minorities (quietly) question the true abilities and intelligence of minorities that get into colleges because of race based admissions. It creates more subconscious racism and is also very insulting to minorities who are legitimately intelligent and qualified (and could of gotten in without race based admissions).

And another problem is minorities have higher drop out rates then Asians and whites. That’s not the fault of “racism”.

Anyway the bigger (and much more challenging) problem is the issue of young African American men and women growing up in single parent households. That’s something that the African American community struggled with. I won’t provide advice for that because I know it’s extremely complicated. But that really is the key issue.

[RingOfFire]

I'm not following your question. Why would the Supreme Court ruling that discrimination based on race mean that all races are equally intelligent?

It doesn't mean that at all. The ruling says nothing about relative intelligence of races.

It's really very simple. The 14th Amendment to the US Constitution prohibits discrimination based on race.

Therefore colleges that were giving racial preference to blacks in their admission practices were discriminating by race and violating the law. It can't get much simpler than that. It's been going on for a half a century.

The ruling doesn't say anything about the relative intelligence between races. It simply says you cannot treat people of different races differently in your admission practices. In fact some universities are trying to continue violating that law by using deceptive practices to continue the discrimination

[RingOfFire]

As you allude to, Asian Americans were one of the most discriminated against classes by the colleges that were giving blacks preferences and admission. Asian students with better academic credentials than black students who were accepted for admission were being turned away simply because of their race.

So this ruling should benefit Asian students the most. However, as I mentioned the colleges are doing everything they can to defeat the ruling and continue their discriminatory practices.

The reason the colleges are doing this is political. They are tools of the progressive left Democrats and pushing their agenda which is intended to harm America.

[lightbulb27]

I don't know what they think.

I think the issue before us though is $ buys access, coaches, training, better food, better environments... and makes a big difference in outcomes.

And some people don't have the money... so they won't get the same opportunity as another.

There is a lot in place to even the field, but it's still really messed up. That isn't just race, I've known very poor white kids that are having "worse" or "less" lives, because of their economic environment.

This also applies outside of the USA. There is the haves and the haves nots.

[Surely]

Don’t know how the vote fell. Since there are black people on the Supreme Court. If they are for fairness and justice. Everyone should be treated as equal individuals.
I believe most people would rather have a qualified person flying their plane regardless of race or ethnicity.

[Kelley1]

The court's six conservative justices — Chief Justice John Roberts and Associate Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett — voted to strike down race-based admissions considerations. Liberal Justices Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor and Ketanji Brown Jackson, voted to uphold them.

The 6-3 conservative majority found the practice of affirmative action discriminatory — not a tool for ensuring diversity and enhancing educational opportunities for Blacks, Hispanics and other minorities.

Ruling against Harvard, the oldest private college in the US; and the University of North Carolina (UNC), the nation's oldest public university, Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in the majority opinion, "The student must be treated based on his or her experiences as an individual — not on the basis of race."

[Surely]

@Kelley1. Affirmative was in place in state and federal jobs when I was looking for a job just out of high school. Think that I should file for reparations? Hahaha. Never happen!

[Kelley1]

Except for first-generation immigrants. Affirmative action has never been justified. It encourages certain races to be lazy and penalizes hard-working races motivated to succeed.

[Surely]

@Kelley1. So true!

[Summeroflove]

Wow! Who could ever think that! Racist! Obviously some races are stupid and need their hand held!!!

For real though. I know SCOTUS has been milk toast bur that shit needed to go long ago. Irs like how people don’t think women are capable of doing anything. So let’s give special treatment to incompetent women and amke all of them look bad.


Same difference.

[Ladsin2]

Seems like a non-sequitur to me. It doesn't follow that getting rid of racial bias in the admission process means you think there is an equal capacity between the races. That said I'm pretty sure if you asked the justices they would say that every race is just as capable as the others.

[Makeushiver]

I haven't read the majority or minority opinions but when the founding fathers used this term it did not apply to intelligence, beauty, innate skills. I was meant as everyone should have an equal chance at obtaining what they seek in life. It would mean outlawing practices like "red-lining" which municipalities used to keep blacks from buying or renting properties in certain areas, or discrimination insofar as hiring someoone for a job or admitting someoone to a school, club.

[HighValue]

It means they want people to be treated fairly. Less capable people shouldn't be given entrance just because they belong to a group of fake victims.

[KostasKouvalis]

No, not at all. It just means they believe you should get into college because you have a 3.5 GPA, not because your name is Gonzales or Shaniqua

[Dargil]

It means they are supporting the Constitution and presumably believe everyone should have equal opportunity without bias of or favor.

[MisterWack]

I think race is important for self identity / self expression especially for members who are of differing backgrounds and have a self of pride for their heritage & culture.

[Fireguy17]

no, they are supporting the idea that all people are made equally.

[AviatorTom]

Not at all. It simply means that using race is discriminatory, and in violation of federal law.

[normalice]

No, it means the Supreme Court wants to keep income disparity a thing for as long as possible.

[gatixek710]

Seems like it. Seems like college applicants have to get in on the content of their character.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Yes, but it's economic situation much, MUCH more than race which determines intelligence.

[Dongie]

Not anymore.

[Dongie]

Woops, reverse that.