Pro life or pro choice? Why?

[HawkPerception]

It's the age old question that's been asked tons of times all over the place. Pretty sure I've asked it once or twice already, but here it is again.

Pro life

Pro choice

[lightbulb27]

I voted pro choice.

I'm pro life... but that doesn't mean I project that onto others. If a woman doesn't want her child and wants to murder it before it breathes outside her body, where do I stand in that picture? Nowhere. My opinion is we give life the best chance possible. Provide emotional support, social support, adoption options... it shoudl be everywhere with a long list of people that want to adopt, etc. If she still wants to execute her offspring... then forcing her to have the child makes no sense. She or Him are the ones that need to care for the child. The child likely to suffer if mother is ill equipped and supported where it takes 30 years to raise a human.

Is it murder and killing and misery... yes. Awful, yes. Emotionally traumatic, yes. Huge money maker... probably. Maybe it should be zero. But she's in control of the life, not me.

I've been told I'm not a Christian for that position. Ok... but what to do when parents reject the life... that kid will suffer and someone else will have to deal with the social consequences as the child acts out. The same Christians want to throw immigrants/migrants back to their hell holes they created. Their thinking lacks integrity as much as mine. The right thing to do is get the parents fixed, like we do with cats and dogs. If they get their brains and hearts figured out, reverse the procedure.

Jesus walked past many dead babies thrown out to the dogs (to eat)... that's what they used to do... bring them to the world... and toss into the woods. This is one problem He was trying to solve, it's a human mess. I'm sure He noticed other animals don't kill their young... there was something really screwed up in humans and he set about fixing it. He is right, He did. More people need to listen. But as well, He said not everyone is His "sheep"... follower. What about those that are not then? If the heart isn't there... forget it.

You can't force someone to have a heart and love, commit, take responsibility... that is something they have to decide and take on. It may put them in an early grave from the stress. You can guide them and provide emotional support.

Unfortunately, humans have not evolved emotionally. We need salvation (from ourselves) as much as ever.

[NaultD]

https://youtu.be/q8-vbOhCqJ0?si=cAn7KnZL5duNA2n8

It takes a lot, endlessly to sustain life. It takes one little thing to end life. Honestly midwifes since the beginning of humanity know this and push the limits of what is capable with life and when to let go.

So there is medical necessity even for late abortions full stop.

We can go darker and I can tell you about darkweb where mothers have full on blogs dressing up stillborns like their alive.

Do we have to go this dark to understand how fucked up the situation is before people understand reality?

[HawkPerception]

So what's your opinion?

[NaultD]

Pro choice

[Mwolf]

It's still a human whether inside a person or outside. Unfortunately even if it's a R-🍇 baby. Baby deserves to live and not be ☠️. What's the difference between 2 weeks preggers 4 months preggers 9 months preggers ½ in labor and newborn? Whole time is still a baby and a life. Some argue it's just cells. So if someone is an amputee just cause they don't have an arm (anymore) or are born without one means they don't deserve life and someone gets to decide to just kill you? Same with a young baby still inside the womb, just cause they don't have arms developed yet doesn't mean it isn't a baby and it isn't a life.

[Smashingdoozy]

Pro choice. Always. Forever.

To add: being okay with others getting an abortion and having it not be something you would do is still pro choice.

[HawkPerception]

Can I ask you to put your vote in? Just want to make the polls as accurate as possible

[Smashingdoozy]

Ah fuck I clicked the wrong one

[HawkPerception]

Lol no worries 😂

[Tomisworthless]

That would be like working at Auschwitz but not directly escorting Jews to their deaths. Just working the front counter, my hands are clean of innocent blood

[Smashingdoozy]

@Tomisworthless it is absolutely nothing like that. Do not compare abortions to a fucking genocide.

[Tomisworthless]

Sin is a sin, and abortion is a execution method its already has been slaughtering innocence for decades. In fact you can compare it to slavery with dehumanizing of life, if its not human then anything goes they have\had no rights just expendable at ones selfish discretion. Me me me myself and mine

[Smashingdoozy]

@Tomisworthless your religion should never determine what is and isn't morally correct for the entire population. What you believe should only ever affect you and your body. You do not get to use your beliefs to control my body.

[Tomisworthless]

Oh so Biden Harris Trump the lobbyists etc all have the moral righteousness to impose their morality on society but not Gods Law. Yeah i dont see how pregnancy termination, slavery, segregation, transgender indoctrination, MSM lies for profit, capitalist greed, censorship, mass shootings are all moral or results of a morally just society. Once that child is in you you are no longer your own, no more selfish behaves because now you're responsible in bringing life into the world. The Onlyfans tinder society is nothing remotely close to a moral society. Women want thee power of elite men, andd the unaccountability of children. I want drug and alcohol induced sex orgies throughout my collegee years and have plan B and abortion on standby just incase one of the 40 penis you took got you pregnant

[Smashingdoozy]

@Tomisworthless no. They don't. Governments shouldn't have a decision on what people can do with their own bodies.

Abortions are health care. Health care is a human right.

Banning abortions is killing people. If you cared about human life you'd be concerned about that.

[Tomisworthless]

Thats foolishness Government has every right to stop you from heroin, meth, fentanyl, cocaine. Abortion isn't healthcare unless you're literally having to intervene in her pregnancy to try and save both mother and child. Abortion is pretty privilege for white women college aged to 40s. For minorities specifically blacks its a tool of oppression for population regulation. Women have died from pregnancies throughout human existence, I want obviously none to die, if I could Id try to ensure, prolong and preserve human life - to all, but only Jesus eternal life after death to which I hope the entire country prays for. Healing and Repenting. Illegal abortions are just as dangerous only difference is the legality of it and we know there are good things made illegal and bad things legal. Like I said if I could implement my vision for America abortion would be decriminalized but not legalized. Tax dollars dont cover costs and or other forms of contraception. It is her body and unfortunately people do what they do, can't prevent or discourage homicides.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Tomisworthless banning abortions IS KILLING PEOPLE. IT IS HAPPENING NOW.

[Tomisworthless]

Ok bb girl time for ya boy to ZzZz

[Tomisworthless]

@Maybe_Maybe_not read this thread in comparison to the prior. I understand choice we have free will, I just dont the State doing it and preferably that it never does. I live in WA state USA. We allow women to cross state lines to spill life in my State. I personally wouldn't stand for this. Our State resources are funding out-of-State taxpayer females to abort life here.

[HawkPerception]

@Tomisworthless Let me present a scenario to you. If a couple is living in seclusion in the mountains and the girl gets knocked up, and they make the decision to have an abortion, do you think the government should fly some helicopters to their place and stop the abortion from happening?

[Crimsyjo]

Choice. How can you bring a being into life if it was knowingly going to be a horrible one for them? Or unloved because you and the father don't want it? Do you really thinking giving up for adoption would make it feel any better? Does a "fetus" even have a conscience to know it's life is taken? Is there not enough human life on this planet?

And for those biblically minded - didn't God give us freewill as our special human gift? It's literally our right to have a choice.

[Mwolf]

Uh, how can you kill a life. P. S. you can't predict the future. How would you like being killed and not given the chance at life? It's a baby the whole time. Week 1, week 11, week 12, week 39. Doesn't change from a fetus to a baby in a magical week or trimester.

[Crimsyjo]

@Mwolf it actually does. There's no knowledge of when a conscience is formed. When the egg is fertilised and attached to the womb it is not much more than an extention of ones own body. The mothers body sustains it like it does its own heart and lung and liver functions.
As for "how would you like being killed" - I wouldn't have thought about it or known about. I would have had no concept of life or death whilst in my mums tummy. I didn't know what a mum was. What sunshine was. What air even was.
Once born tho... oh yes... I'd know what pain and suffering is if neglected.

You cannot compare the very beginning of life to the later stages when awareness is formed. Hence there is a cut off time for abortion.
Also for those God-minded - women miscarriage all the time. I had a miscarriage of a baby I very much wanted on Christmas day. So life is extinguished all the time in it's thousands. All that potential loss doesn't stop the future.
And if anything the fact there is TOO much human life on this planet, killing and destroying it, now that's effecting the future way more than anyone not born.

[Tomisworthless]

Who the fuck are you to take away life before they even got to see the world? Jesus Christ. Pain and suffering is apart of life and you can help easing it by having good ethical and moral Laws. Thats how you have a great civil society. People have the right to do as they pls its ultimately between them and God or whatever Zodiac sign or numerology synchronicity you believe in. But the state shall not spill innocent blood condemning us all for the sins of a few - tax funded procedures

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@Tomisworthless Glass of water, please, and mindful breathing lol

[Tomisworthless]

@Maybe_Maybe_not Oh word? We going to chop it up on here now?

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@Tomisworthless Look, it makes no sense jumping at people's throat for nothing that concerns you in the first place. You're in a total double bind here when you overrule someone's choice because you suddenly feel you should, and then... One sentence later, you recognize people's choice? You see the problem you create in your speech?

[Tomisworthless]

@Maybe_Maybe_not ok you're right ill keep my views to myself God willing. You guys keep sacrificing to Molech.

[Tomisworthless]

n please do pour me a glass from the black flask, the one in the courtroom

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

[Mwolf]

@Tomisworthless 🎤🙏🏻👍🏻💯

[Crimsyjo]

@Tomisworthless who gave me the right? Well God dud BT your very admittance of it being between me and God. And I say fuck God. In the sense of if "he" is a moral being of all goodness and all power then why did "he" take away my baby that i wanted yet I'd get condemned for taking away one I didn't? No wonder they call God a "he". A hypocrite like 90% of males on this planet.
Do you think if males had to go through pain and suffering of childbirth they would give up having unprotected sex? Hell no. They would invent even more ways to prevent "male pregnancy" than they ever did female pregnancy.
Anyways I don't believe in God. And if there was a God in the religious sense of belief today them he can go Fuck himself cos I don't give a shit about my soul. It's fucked anyways on minor things so what difference a few major things. And some people believe as long as you repent before the end you can be forgiven all sins anyways. Amd if we are all condemned because of "others" then we will all go hell anyways too. And again I DO NOT CARE one bit.
Amen and hallelujah to that Jesus's fucking Christ
😈😈😈😈☠️☠️

[Tomisworthless]

I understand you have been through a lot, the world is a broken place and we are broken people but you can't allow your experiences turn your heart from God thats what the Devil wants. God works all things for good, believe me. Think of this, you see how far medicine and surgeries have come that we are able to heal and save lives? This good came from what the Devil meant for evil, evil people killing, torturing and mutilating humans to look at human anatomy, organ functionality and psychological manipulation.

[Tomisworthless]

Look i dont want my pro life stance to seem restrictive or oppressive. I am pro choice as in I choose life over death, and I dont want the government to fund these procedures as theyre predominately selfish pursuits just getting a butt lift or boob job. I understand people will choose abortion just as people choose a life of criminality. My mother got an abortion some years before me I dont condemn her, I love her.

[exitseven]

I am pro choice but we need to figure out when a fetus becomes a baby and limit abortions to only fetuses

[HawkPerception]

9 out of 10 abortions are done before 12 weeks (within the first trimester). Look up images for the stages of how a fetus/baby looks in the first trimester.

In my opinion, it's ethical.

[exitseven]

12 weeks sounds reasonable but at 30 weeks it is murder.

[Mwolf]

It's a baby the whole time. Week 1, week 11, week 12, week 39. Doesn't change from a fetus to a baby in a magical week or trimester.

[Tomisworthless]

were human who are we to decide. Its either not at all or all the way.

[Tomisworthless]

Your morality and code of ethics are as good as smoke.

[Mwolf]

Its a baby the whole time.🙄

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

For the sake of words, the term pro-life is really misleading, this term alone already pigeonholes people into thinking that anti-abortion would be something virtuous. I don't know where you stand on this debate, and this might be unintended of you, just choosing popular words without much consideration then. Yet, I think it's important to name things fairly here.

There is anti-abortion, there is pro-abortion.

[Anonymous]

Except when preformed to save the life of the mother. Abortion is a murderous act motivated by selfish desire to avoid personal responsibility.
If we really believed in science abortion would be illegal everywhere as murder.
If we only believed in good policy abortion and contraception would be illegal in all industrialized countries which otherwise are NOT creating a sustainable birthrate.

[Tomisworthless]

If the mother passes thats a unfortunate circumstance in life, but child comes first not the tax payer.

[Opinion Owner]

@Tomisworthless A doctor can know easily in the extremely rare cases of a pregnancy poses a risk to the mother.

[ManInChains]

Life. I have a high moral compass and am not selfish like the choicers

[TheRealPepperPotts]

I'm staying out of this melee... :O

[HawkPerception]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[HawkPerception]

I think it's pretty likely you'd be pro-life though 🧐

[TheRealPepperPotts]

@HawkPerception It's complicated...

[Dargil]

Being anti-Systemic Infanticide™ needs no justification

[sage2021]

What about pro birth control? Anyone ever heard of that?

[Dongie]

That's not the question. Why don't you go post yours?

[Dongie]

👍 This way the babies, all of them, get to live.

[Tomisworthless]

May God raise a truly Godly man to correct the course of this country.