Used to be pro-choice. Now Pro-life... and pro-choice for the unborn.
Bc is a choice. Surgery is a choice. Health education is a choice. Bearing arms is a choice. Self-defense class is a choice. Friendship circles are a choice. Party places/alleyways are a choice. Words/ free speech is a choice. Pets are a choice.
Exchanging phone numbers is a choice.
All these choices, and women want one that endorses murder to I don't know stick an abstract, bitter tongue out at men? come on... *GROW UP.*
Otherwise, your parents should have pro-choiced the shit out of you!
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Pro choice ofc. People have abortions all the time, regardless of what the law says. Criminalising abortion does not stop abortions, it just makes abortion less safe. Almost every death and injury from unsafe abortion is preventable. It is not only cisgender women and girls (women and girls who were assigned female at birth) who may need access to abortion services, but also intersex people, transgender men and boys, and people with other gender identities who have the reproductive capacity to become pregnant
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The British statesman and political philosopher Edmund Burke wrote, "The effect of liberty to individuals is that they may do as they please. We ought see what it will please them to do before we risk congratulations." Therein lay the problem with laws that permit abortion on demand.
A society that premises its law as "Choice"- to use the locution of abortion rights advocates - effectively leaves open the question of the value of human life. It becomes not a standing principle, but a subjective judgment to each individual. In such a society, human life becomes not an end in itself, but mere instrument. Life becomes not an object whose preservation is the highest standard, but rather a convenience to be maintained or not according to the satisfaction of another's will.
We shape our laws and then our laws shape us - see also the civil rights laws of the 1960s which have effected a revolution in race relations. (The idea that a black man and a white man cannot sit together at the same lunch counter is as alien to this generation as Neptune. Yet in 1965 it was pretty much the norm.)
Inherent then in the pro-choice argument is the idea that life has no value save that which each person chooses to attach to it. It denies society any authority to make a collective judgment on such questions. Therefore, in this view, the law may not afford protection to life except at some arbitrarily defined (and inherently subjective) point.
This then conduces to an assertion of power over rights. Life is maintained not as its own end, but according to the will of the person who, effectively, controls it because they can. An ethic of convenience is established and it is a slippery slope on which to build a culture and a legal edifice.
Such a society will not value life that sees life as not an end, but as a means to some other end. Indeed, that is why at about the same time as the culture began to shift on the abortion question we also saw a rise in child abuse, spousal abuse, divorce, out of wedlock births and other social pathologies. These were not unrelated phenomena.
Aristotle said that the first questions of politics are, "How ought we to live? What kind of a people do we wish to be?" The implicit answer of those who support abortion on demand is, in effect, that it is nobody's business. Predictable results follow. One cannot expect the society to absent itself from collective moral judgments on the value of life and then expect an ethical social order to result.
I am mostly Pro-choice and I've written MANY MyTakes explaining why I don't respect the pro-life argument. It's ironic conservatives get as over-emotional and become all "feelings over facts" on that one issue, when they otherwise mock liberals for doing the same thing. The pro-life argument is as retarded and emotion-based as believing in 72 genders and non-binary crap. I swear, this stupid abortion BS was ALL everyone talked about on GAG throughout the past June and it annoyed me to no end. I even had to block one jackass on here because of his militant pro-life stance. I thought we FINISHED the abortion argument crap back in the 90s?
I said, I personally support abortions up until the end of the second trimester, because a "baby" is not a baby until then, which is why we call them a fetus, and embryo, prior to that stage of development. By the third trimester, the baby can be C-sectioned and survive outside the womb, but before that, it is not fully developed enough, aka, fetuses can't survive outside the womb and aren't actual babies yet. I ALSO said however, that what people choose to do with their children, is no one else's business but their own. So even if I do find aborting an 6-month old baby to be barbaric, because it is none of my business what parents choose to do with their offspring.
Anyway, I've explained my reasoning for being pro-choice in the past and the simple version is:
- You can't force parenthood on people
- The world is overpopulated enough as it is
- There's finite resources in the world and not even enough to go around for the people who currently exist
- And almost all pro-life people tend to be hypocrites, having loose sex outside of marriage and interrupting the reproductive process via condoms and morning after pills (aka, ABORTION).If you're willing to f*ck random women, you cannot call yourself "pro-life." Shut the f*ck up with that nonsense!
If you're not willing to pay a dime in child resources, welfare, or government programs to help these single mothers with their child POST BIRTH, then you need to worry about your own life and stay the f*ck out of other people's business. Claiming you "care about dem babies" and then going "not my problem" after they're born, makes you the biggest hypocrite and asshole on the planet. Yet, so many pro-lifers on GAG are like that.
So yeah, I'm pro-choice up until the third-trimester, but ultimately, who chooses to be a parent or not is none of my business.
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Pro-choice but pro-birth. Let me explain. I believe that every life deserves a chance and that a woman should have every available means of support for her and her child, if she chooses to keep it. However, I am not for forcing a woman to have a child she doesn't want/isn't ready to have. It's a very personal choice, and each circumstance is different. I don't believe that the right to have an abortion should be taken away, but every resource should be brought forth and known to a woman who may be thinking about having an abortion if she's in bad circumstances. I hope that makes sense. Basically, abortion should be an available option, but only if a woman thinks that's the last resort and her best option.
Also of course if the pregnancy becomes a health risk for the mother or if there is a known abnormality that would be lethal for the fetus, the pregnancy should be terminated. I think one of the best examples of this are ectopic pregnancies. They can never persist to full term as they can cause massive hemorrhage which would kill the mother. They are considered "nonviable".
If I remember correctly some dickhead lawmakers were trying to make it so that ectopic pregnancies couldn't be terminated. Correct me if I'm wrong on this.Pro-abortion. We have already seen the consequences of total abortion bans.
I do understand it is a difficult dilemma to reach a middle ground on. But it is important to consider those who have been victims of assault, abuse, and incest. We have to consider twelve and thirteen-year-old little girls. We have to consider those who have medical conditions which cause pregnancy and childbirth a risk to their own lives. A lot of the time, the most selfless thing to do is have an abortion.
It's not a pretty subject and I highly doubt that most people who have one genuinely want to do it and repeat the experience. A lot of people who get abortions already have children and may not have the capacity to feed and house another. It's terribly sad but we are not all that privileged.
Also, consider the adoption/foster program which has been infamously fucked up for decades. Part of the reason why is because the social workers are overworked and burnt out- and the system is just screwy. I do believe that most social workers have a genuine care to find support and resources, and safe placement for children. But the system is traumatizing for so many.
Ultimately, I can respect those who admit that they don't like the thought of abortion but recognize that it's not their place to rule over. I don't think anyone non-ironically likes the idea at face value. But it is so dangerous that the people who designate these laws are not in touch with those who will actually be affected by it.
Also, sorry. But you're not considered pregnant right after the fact! It takes 2 weeks for someone to actually even be considered "pregnant".
I encourage people to look into what "conception" means. It is a gray area. But I do believe that a total abortion ban would be a big step backwards in society and cause further trauma to already-traumatized and underprivileged communities.I am not "pro abortion", but I support choice because I think it is a complicated issue and the decision should be left up to the individual.
HOWEVER, the facts show that about 95% of the time when a woman chooses to abort it is for reasons like not wanting a child to interfere with career or education plans, not being financially prepared to support a child, being too young to take on the responsibilities of being a parent, not being in a stable relationship with the father, or just not being emotionally ready for the commitment of parenthood. In other words, nothing to do with "bodily autonomy" and everything to do with all of the very same reasons why a man might wish to opt out of becoming a parent.
With that said, I will only support choice when it applies to both women AND men. If women can have the "easy out" that abortion offers, men should also have a similar option in the form of a paper abortion (aka financial abortion), provided certain requirements are met.
Pro-Choice. I may not agree with abortions, but I also don't believe it's my place to impose my belief on to others; thus I'll defend a woman's right to choose in the matter. I've always found it hypocritical when people argue about the rights and feelings of a fetus in the topic of murder, but are all for spading/neutering their animals or even euthanization (all against an animals' will).
It also disgusts me that people will see young girls be raped and abused only to end up pregnant and have the very people that should be protecting them say "She needs to keep the baby, now she gets to experience motherhood."
Making abortion illegal isn't going to stop them; people have always and will always find a way. All it does is make them unsafe. If you need proof, look at everything the government has made illegal and how many people find a way to get said things.
You either believe life begins when your first uniquely formed at conception or you believe it begins at any other arbitrary point that might as well be never.
Birth is not a natural line, it is simply the point where you hopefully are ready to leave one home for anther.Not all of us were quite ready when we left, but we were very much alive and a unique person nonetheless. If we are allowed the chance we may even become strong enough to prove that fact to you.
So being pro-choice is simply you choosing an arbitrary point convenient to yourself having past it where you might disregard the human right to life of anther who has not.
This is as unfair to everyone else as it is of course barbaric.Pro-life.
Because if we, as society, want to keep saving suicide attempters (basically going against their will to save their lives), keep patients in coma plugged in (who are only alive because of the machine), and keep arresting armed criminals instead of police just shooting them on sight, we should be consistent and also give a chance to the embryo to live.
Parents already made their choice by having sex (rapists should be punished more). Plus isn't the basics of freedom that mine freedom ends where another's freedom begins? So why should we ignore the freedom to be alive?I'm pro staying out of the other persons life since in general, I can't be there to watch them in how they treat the child. that makes me pro choice. But I'm also pro helping them in moral support, learning to be good parents and being responsible. That should be civic duty for those competent.
I dont' like people murdering their kids but if they dont' want them and won't give them up to adoption, they have no chance in this world. We need a better system of support rather than arguing about this political issue.
I'm pro people need to stop being stupid and lazy about sex. With how easy it is for a woman or man to get some form contraceptive there isn't an excuse for a lot of abortions. Because they simply come down to people being stupid and lazy about sex. If we are are talking about rape, incest or actual medical issues, I'm all for it. But if we are talking about an abortion because both of them where too stupid and lazy to grab a damn condom from a gas station, I'm highly against it.
Also women if a guy is trying to pressure you to have sex without a condom or any other form of contraceptive, hit him in the head repeatedly with a brick. Because we don't need those idiots having kids anyway.
Pro choice especially when it comes to medical issues where the baby won't survive after birth. So wrong to force women to keep pregnancies that won't even make it and can literally harm their own health.
neither. i think that abortion should be illegal generally speaking but i think certain exceptions should exist.
for example in medical cases where giving birth is a deadly risk, the woman should have the right to choose her own life over the life of the baby. and i think that a woman should have the right to not give birth to a child that is a result of rape or in case of a pregnancy of a minor. maybe a few other exceptions that i can't think of right now.
but other than that, i think people should be held accountable for the results of their sex life and not just murder babies as a form of birth control. you didn't wanna get pregnant? well too bad. now you are. be an adult and deal with the consequences. men can't opt out of the responsibility of fatherhood so women shouldn't be able to opt out of the responsibility of motherhood.
Pro Life but I think we need to do better to make sure the baby and the mother are provided for once the pregnancy is over we can’t just say our work here is done. The whole welfare state needs to be overhauled as well as education, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and More
Also if the Baby is going to die anyway and take the mother with them then abortion is an unfortunate medical necessity.
But I think it should be avoided if at all possible. Every life deserves a chanceI'm pro-life and not because I'm a man trying to control or regulate women's bodies, rather, someone that just thinks abortion is a nasty and immoral thing that did not have to be inevitable and doesn't feel comfortable making this legal and normalized as the thing to do when one's bad decisions catches up to them. Everyone can 100% avoid unwanted pregnancies by just not having sex with someone you don't want to also have a child with, raise a family with, marry, etc.
I am pro- this choice should be between the patient and the physician. NObody else should have a word to say about the matter. This is far too complex an issue to put in the hands of ANY politician or evangelical leader.
All the disgust porn of the far right politicians and religious zealots about 3rd trimester elective abortions etc. is just fearmongering to sway people to their side with lies. Things like that are done ONLY in medical life threatening emergency.You don't go to hell to scream and burn for all eternity for having an abortion.
Fetuses do not have rights.It’s too complicated to just be on one side or another. I believe in freedom and families. So which side does that put me on?
Pro choice. I personally feel abortion is morally wrong but I don’t believe in the government trying to force that belief on others. Don’t like abortion? Then don’t get one. We all need to mind our own business.
Pro choice. Animals have natural abortions when there is something wrong with the baby. And a lot of females get raped in this world. They should have a choice.
I'm pro-choice by technicality. While I think abortion is immoral in the vast majority of cases, I don't support the banning because not having the state involved is better for everyone.
If you want to abort to your heart's content, you can take that up with God.
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