Do u support Palestine or Israel?

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No need to detail

[molonski2]

The question is not an " either - or " , which is why this thing will never be resolved in its current form , I support the moderates on both sides , of which there are many , but compromises on both sides must be make.

If this were black / white , support X or Y , it would have been harmony years and years ago , you can't say you are peaceful and use terror , or be run by a terrorist organisation. But , if you are caught in the middle , its catch 22 . Horrendous stuff for certain.

[Lliam]

Palestine 100%. Israel is an illegitimate entity and Zionism is a savage, racist ideology.

[Daniela1982]

How can Israel be illegitimate when the Jew were given that land by God before it was even called Palestine? And they have been fighting to keep it ever since. But, they are still there and will remain there until the end.

[Lliam]

@Daniela1982. That's Biblical revisionist mythology.
The Jews who lived in Palestine for the last two or three thousand years are Palestinian. The atheist Jews from Russia and Eastern Europe have zero connection to Hebrews, Israelites, Judeans or Palestine.

They changed their European names to made-up, Hebrew-sounding ones after 1948.
The Israeli language they speak was invented in the 20th century and is a combination of Yiddish, Arabic and Liturgical Hebrew.
They are fakes.

[Daniela1982]

And how many foreigners speak their native language still after only 100 years? They learned to speak the language of wherever they were held captive, such as by the Egyptians. That doesn't make them fake.

[Lliam]

@Daniela1982. The language that Isralis speak is made up. It's not a native language.

[Daniela1982]

Seriously? The original Bible manuscripts were written in Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew. So how can Hebrew be made up?

[Lliam]

@Daniela1982. Zionists are not speaking Hebrew. They are speaking a recently invented language.

[Daniela1982]

What? Pig Latin, or Gibberish?

[Lliam]

@Daniela1982. A linguist (I can't remember his name but I could look it up), decided to create an Israeli language in the late 1800s. He constructed it out of a combination of Yiddish (the language spoken by European Jews), Arabic, and liturgical Hebrew. It also uses Arabic syntax. Hebrew has been a dead language for hundreds of years and was only spoken when reading the Torah, the way the Catholic churches speaks Latin during masses.

The new Israeli language started being taught to colonists in Palestine in the mid-1930s.

[avery58]

Neither of them. My heart is with the innocent victims on both sides. The civilians dying and the hostages.

[BiriyaniAsian23354]

Palestine for sure!

[normalice]

I support neither far right religious nationalist government.

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Actually, I asked for about human rights

[normalice]

Wwat

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Killing babies are the normal situation in Palestine?

[normalice]

It's normal for religious nationalist governments to kill babies, yes.

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Why is that normal for them?

[normalice]

Absolute moral authority and a persecution complex are the reasons people want a religious nationalist government. And those just happen to be the two main ingredients for crafting excuses for genocide.

[BiriyaniAsian23354]

It’s more of a human conflict than a religious one

[normalice]

If they were focused on their humanity they would take care not to kill each other. They are focused on their religion.

[BiriyaniAsian23354]

Genocides happen everywhere like in North Korea which is a nation that completely lacks human rights as well are they religious? And every Abrahamic religion teaches that killing is wrong no matter what

[normalice]

We're talking about the israel Palestine conflict and that they are two far right religious nationalists governments fighting each other. Whether or not north korea has similar or even opposite excuses is irrelevant.

Also these "abrahamic religions" kill anyway, because of a "what" that wasn't supposed to matter.

[BiriyaniAsian23354]

No one is denying religious people can be extremist but they exist in every group what differnce does it make for a nation to fight in wars to defend religion and people following that religion than wars that happen because of resources?

[normalice]

Fighting over resources is real and people naturally feel guilty enough for doing it that they don't want to fight any longer than they have to. Fighting over religion removes all guilt. That's become the whole point of religion.

[DrPepper12]

False choice. Do you Support Hamas or IDF terrorists?

[Avicenna]

Showing your true colors, Pepper. I’m not surprised.

[Ladsin2]

@Avicenna yeah that's a big one.

[BiriyaniAsian23354]

Hamas was created by Israel then they became freedom fighters for Palestine who hardly has a government by the way.

[DrPepper12]

I dare you to go to the Instagram @eyesonpalestine and just scroll through the first 10 videos without rage and revulsion

Maybe you should start out with this week's video of them throwing 3 Palestinians off a building...

Are you actually suggesting that the IDF hasn't engaged in human rights violations in Gaza in the past year?

Give it a rest gents, my wife and kids are Jewish. I live in a predominantly Jewish community. One of my neighbors is one of the hostages. You can just dispense with the anti-Semitism claims when someone is actually criticizing Israeli policy... Know the difference

[Ladsin2]

Cleanest war ever fought on the face of the earth. "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things." Democrats have a weird habit of trying to deflect double-standards on this topic with, "I'm Jewish", or "I have a lot of Jewish friends." It's pretty funny to me.

[DrPepper12]

@ladsin2 that was for @Avicenna mostly.

It's info for when the anti-Semitic accusations pop out. Ya know, my "true colors"...

[Ladsin2]

Do you accept it when Republicans say, "I have a black friend"?

[Avicenna]

Pepper, throwing people off a building, especially homosexuals, is something Hamas has done to lots of people throughout the years, to nary a complaint from you. Actually, you don’t have shit to say when Jews are attacked, raped, or killed or when Islamists kill other Muslims. You’re just a far left hypocrite and a coward.

No military fights cleaner than the IDF , and no opponent embeds themselves in the local civilian population like Hamas. And lots of “civilians” not only took part in the 10/7 attacks, but they also played their part in torturing the hostages.

You must be awfully scared of your fellow leftists, Pepper. And you know you have nothing to fear from Jews.

[DrPepper12]

The IDF throwing Palestinians off the roof., not Hamas. You fail to understand my position Intentionally I think. I believe Hamas should be eradicated. I also KNOW the IDF has, does and will continue to murder and commit innumerable human rights violations. My opinion is limited to the Hamas Israel conflict. If you want to discuss intra-muslim conflict that's a separate and likely even more complicated discussion. "Fight cleaner" is a joke when it's a disproportionate power imbalance. Civilians don't have the luxury of defense. Israel will ALWAYS be in the wrong due to violations of many "rules of war" and un resolutions for their treatment of "occupied territories".

[Ladsin2]

I have a question that I think would clarify this for me at least.
Do you think there's ever been a war fought that was cleaner, and if so which? If not, do you think any war was worth it?

[DrPepper12]

For urban warfare they have made a show of what the boots are doing but the real murders are death from above. Go to eyes on Palestine. I'm begging you

[Ladsin2]

That didn't answer my question. Sure, "War is an ugly thing". My question; however, was whether or not there's ever been a war that was fought cleaner. If no wars have been fought cleaner, has any war been worth it?

[Account]

Palestine. Now let me be. If you start an argument I will block you.

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Nope we are the same side

[Anonymous]

I don't support anything that will be destroyed in 10 minutes without US.

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U mean Israel will be destroyed in 10 min without US?

[Anonymous]

I support the good everyday people of Palestine. That is, until Israel's IDF ends up killing them all

[RebelinSteel]

Neither.

[In_Trance]

Fuck them both