Let the debate begin! Who's got your vote? Parents or society? Why?

[DrPepper12]

Who should make curriculum decisions? Parents? School boards? Teachers? State Ed Departments? National Ed Departments? Communities at large? Council of employers? Students themselves.

Parents exclusively. Full stop.

Teachers & local BoE exclusively.

Parents, teachers & local BoE together.

Every stakeholder above in question BUT students.

Some other combination I'll explain

A total of 32 votes were cast: 6 girls and 26 guys. See detailed results

[WhiteSteve]

The uncomfortable truth is that just about any idiot can sire/birth a child, leaving us with the result of “most parents are idiots”, as most humans are just kinda dumb, as a standard. By way of that same logic: many teachers and administrators can be idiots too, but at least I feel like they’re TRAINED idiots.

The things is, when I hear these school board meeting complaints…. its never seeming to come from the best and brightest people. It’s usually not a thermodynamic engineer or a neurosurgeon yelling at the PTA meeting, lmfao. It’s usually some average (to be charitable) person with some primitive, uneducated belief system that they wrongly want to train their kids to believe in too. And they can’t have some fancy liberal from the city, with their book-learnin’, coming in and teaching kids that their parents are actually shitty people, objectively unfit to parent, if we were more controlling about that.

Like it’s never about anything good or legitimate, they just want whitewashed American History taught, or these are homophobic morons who think kids LEARN to be gay simply by knowing the concept exists, or crazy holy rollers, whose entire fabricated worldview THEY’RE trying to brainwash their kid with, would fall apart if their kids made the horrific discovery of the existence of dinosaurs, lmfao. These are NOT our best and brightest people🤦‍♂️😂

https://www.youtube.com/embed/scxdTXrfni0

So…. I think it’s important as a nation and a society to be pulling the cart in the same direction, informationally and in our social views and practices. And from what I’ve seen, the school board usually isn’t the one in the wrong, it’s some weirdo like the aforementioned folks I described trying to shield children from harmless, or at least NECESSARY, information to navigate life and society with. And with this unfortunate and very dangerous new culture where people conceptually believe in “fake news”, we need it more than ever. Children need to be protected, and often the most dangerous influences in their life are their own parents and family.

[Avicenna]

The thermodynamic engineer or neurosurgeon has their kid in IB or AP classes, or in a private school. That’s why you may not see them complaining.

[DrPepper12]

That gets a MHO & a follow!!! Wow!!! 😮

[DrPepper12]

@Avicenna excellent point!

[goaded]

"The pervasive indoctrination she had railed against simply did not exist. Children were not being sexualized, and she could find no examples of critical race theory, an advanced academic concept that examines systemic racism. She’d examined curriculum related to social-emotional learning, which has come under attack by Christian conservatives who say it encourages children to question gender roles and prioritizes feelings over biblical teachings. Instead, Gore found the materials taught children “how to be a good friend, a good human.”"

www.propublica.org/.../texas-granbury-isd-school-board-courtney-gore

And, of course... "Gore rushed to share the news with the hard-liners who had encouraged her to run for the seat. She expected them to be as relieved and excited as she had been. But she said they were indifferent, even dismissive, because “it didn’t fit the narrative that they were trying to push.”"

[WhiteSteve]

@goaded It’s ALMOST as if these are COMPLETELY dishonest people who will lie about anything they need to lie about in order to establish or promote a false narrative🤔🤔🤔

[WhiteSteve]

Appreciate ya, Doc😎🙏

[goaded]

@WhiteSteve Almost.

[exitseven]

Parents need to have a voice but they cannot create curriculum. Their real influence should be electing schoòl board members whose values align with their own.

[DrPepper12]

NOW THATS A GREAT ANSWER!!

[exitseven]

@DrPepper12 I worked as an administrator in a K-12 school system. I saw it all up close.

[Anonymous]

The government should set a national curriculum. With a focus on the basics of the 3 Rs, maths and science. History, geography, religion and PE should also be taught and at least one language. A lot of the other stuff like home economics, pastrol care, gender studies and stop trying to add stuff.

To be honest these days most schools are really just a babysitting service so both parents can work and contribute to the tax base. Parents should take more intrest in their kid's education ensuring they learn what they should.

I got pulled out of secondary school in the first year and homeschooled because my school was failing, had a massive bullying problem and a few of the girl's had been groomed for the grooming gangs. One girl was bullied so bad she hung herself. Gang culture was rife and the boys were always getting stabbed after school. I did real well out of homeschooling and to be honest I had a lot more free time and was able to skip years. Through the open university I did half my GCSES when I was 14 and the rest when I was 15and had my A levels done by 16. Had done 2 betecs and an NVQ at the local technical college by 17 and by 20 had a basic college degree.

[DrPepper12]

We're too fractured for a national curriculum. It's all state n local. Sorry about your experience.

[purplepoppy]

A child isn't the life time property of the parents. It has to be equipped with skills that will ensure a successful life long after they move out the family home.

The most important skill you can teach a child is how to learn, that's what allows it to adapt to the future. Parents tend to have a narrow view of what kids should learn based in their experience 20 years ago. When have you ever had to do long division in your head or impress an employer with neat hand writing?

One of the best bit of advice I got as a school girl is employers don't care what your knowledge of history, geography, etc is what they care about is the fact you put the effort in and got the grades, it shows you can learn something within a time frame to a certain level. If you can't be arsed to do that then it's a waste of time trying to train you.

[Avicenna]

Parents are in the labor force and would know what their children need to be prepared for.

[DrPepper12]

@Avicenna respectfully disagree. Their criteria for evaluating is old, they are jaded, their skills for forecasting are shitty and their identity is wrapped up in the advice they provide. It's hopelessly biased and likely not the best source.

[DrPepper12]

Agreed. Those skills do matter but

[Avicenna]

And public school bureaucracies are cutting edge and unbiased? When‘s the last time most of them were teachers or thought about anything butchers scores? So you know better than that.

Plus, it’s not like the research on educational pedagogy and outcomes is hermetically sealed off.

[Avicenna]

* anything but….

[DrPepper12]

Agreed on that part. Schools are at a minimum 20-30 years behind in tech, pedagogy best practices, efficiency, etc. I hated how sclerotic they are and fought tirelessly against it when teaching. We had textbooks where dozens of nations no longer even existed it were created to go with the pull down maps that were pre Berlin wall coming down.

[blueonblack22]

It’s too bad you didn’t have “Parents are a priority but teachers & local boe factor in”.

Occasionally unfortunate kids gets raised by toxic parents. But that’s usually not the case. While no parent is perfect most of them would DIE for their kids if it really came down to it. Would the government do the same?

But destroying the family and letting the government take over is a long time communist strategy. It was implemented both in the late Soviet Union, Cuba and China. And it’s heinous. It’s about brainwashing young and malleable minds for an agenda.

[DrPepper12]

But the term "in loco parentis" (in place of parents) is the legal concept that governs BoE n teachers. So the parents have proxies instead.

[blueonblack22]

So it’s okay to have the FBI investigate parents for voicing their concerns during school board meetings?

[DrPepper12]

Yes if there is the potential for a crime. I would need an example please

[blueonblack22]

Local news source below.

news3lv.com/.../no-legitimate-basis-judiciary-committee-blasts-biden-admin-directive-telling-fbi-to-investigate-school-board-meetings

The question is there any legitimate evidence whatsoever the these parents were “committing crimes”.

[elaphe]

I think parents should certainly be involved, but the problem is you can't get some parents to a parent-teacher conference or to even respond to an e-mail. Also, how many parents know enough about literature, math, science, history, etc. to develop curricula? It's annoying enough when politicians do it.

[DrPepper12]

That's so refreshing that you recognize limitations and seem to allude to deference to professionals.

Reminds me of this quote: "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

Isaac Asimov

[elaphe]

Absolutely! In my field of biology, there are parents who would oppose teaching evolution. After the last pandemic, I was reminded how scientifically illiterate people can be. I saw a man on TV at a school board meeting who actually compared his daughter being made to wear a mask at school to her being raped. I would much rather wear fabric over my mouth and nose than be raped!

[Juxtapose]

Parents are in charge of their kids, period. Kids are not communal property and I hate it whenever people say that kids belong to the community

Parents can simply homeschool their kids if they don't like the schools though and it's not like the exams the kids need to pass are all that complicated. Thank fuck for homeschooling. I wish I was home school because the people I went to school with were fucking animals.

[Juxtapose]

*homeschooled

Voice to text typo.

[DrPepper12]

Totally disagree. The community has a STAKE not a CLAIM of the outcome of my kids. We all do. The fact is there are multiple "end users" of the "product" schools provide.

[Avicenna]

I’ve never encountered a single administrator who cared about the product they delivered in terms of what anyone outside of the bureaucracy thought. And lots of teachers also don’t.

[DrPepper12]

That's unfortunate for admins (I believe you - they often made THE WORST teachers and couldn't wait to get on that career ladder and fail upwards).

I gotta say though that "lots" is a pretty broad brush for teachers. Most of us care very deeply about the kids.

[AviatorTom]

Parents should be involved in proposing and approving curriculums for their children, with teachers and BoE members (who are trained in educational concepts, as well as exposed to new concepts) should be the main ones proposing, monitoring and maintaining curriculums.

[DrPepper12]

I agree. A big table for everyone to duscuss but the final decision is the duly elected board.

[Avicenna]

All stakeholders should have input, including the employers who hopefully will be putting our public school graduates on their payrolls.

Students and parents are also stakeholders, for those who don’t know what I mean by that word.

[bobby_bush_eater]

Parents need more say and control but also more accountability.

[DrPepper12]

I love that you identified accountability!! It's a two way street!

[msc545]

Teachers - they only ones with any education usually. Parents usually don't, and BOE people are politicians. There should be exceptions for people with relevant college educations I suppose.

[RavVid]

Parents and Council of employers with input from State and national Ed departments.

It is important that children emerge with adequate skills for employment.

[Likes2drive]

Parents have the most say in it but kids need to know a little about everything

[Smegskull]

None of the above.
I would like to be able to say teachers but because of public education that just means state again and the state has a self serving interest in selective/false education.

[Anonymous]

feminists and LGBTQ should be totally in charge of every school curriculum

[GOLDFISH_smile]

Which ones tho? The parents? The teachers? The BoE members? Some combination?

[DrPepper12]

Gotta love anons. So brave. 🙄

[Anonymous]

The govt needs to stay the hell OUT of education. Abolish the Dept Of Education.

Mainly parents and the Christian church, at the LOCAL level should be deciding curriculum

[DrPepper12]

Another brave anon 🙄...

Tell me, what does the DoE actually do oh wise one?

[Opinion Owner]

I'm sure you already know, so I'm not gonna take the bait

[DrPepper12]

Yet another profile in courage... 🙄🤷🏽‍♂️

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

The qualified people

[DaBiggestBird]

Screw society

[DrPepper12]

And we have a guest appearance from Rudy Giuliani!! Give it up for Rudy!! 🙌🏻

[DaBiggestBird]

Who?

[CB-Raido-Time]

Parents should have the right to say.

[DrPepper12]

Just parents?

[CB-Raido-Time]

Public schools have been corrupted turned into indoctrination centers they have homosexual's dirty dancing in front of children at schools. Public schools should be done away with and the tax dollars should be to private schools.

[DrPepper12]

The Founders would like a word with you on that... 🚨🚨🚨😳

[gatixek710]

parents.

[RowdyYates]

Wait, are you saying the customer should decide what they want for their product?

[gatixek710]

@RowdyYates radical, eh?

[RowdyYates]

Crazy shit right there!

[DrPepper12]

@RowdyYates There's multiple end users of the school product.

[DrPepper12]

Exclusively and solely?

[gatixek710]

Moreso than dickhead administrators.

[DrPepper12]

Which admins? Huh?

[gatixek710]

The ones who suggest nonsense like CRT, allow children to be pushed forward when they've not made the academic cut, that allow porn in libraries, allow boys on girl's sports teams

[DrPepper12]

Oh. "Woke" right? 👍🏻

[gatixek710]

More like shitlibs. Why are you so worried about the public having say in public schools? Public is in the name.

[Anonymous]

Some