I'm confused... are we anti-capitalists now?

[OddBeMe]

Can't tell you how many times I've been called marxist. But I never called for executing capitalists.

[WindAtMyBack]

Keep in mind that insider trading is already illegal and they were being investigated. I don't think you would find too many capitalists who support insider trading. If they do, they don't understand capitalism and why it works.

Insider trading is NOT capitalism. Monopolistic practices are NOT capitalism. Capitalism is based on competition at all levels. It's based on INFORMED investment, INFORMED consumerism, and INFORMED employment. Insider trading is counter to the public being INFORMED, so it's not capitalism.

Even most hard core Ayn Rand fanboys agree with the Sherman Act and other legislation that helps create a framework for proper capitalism. The framework should be broad, but it must exist. Without it capitalism won't exist.

Robber barons are NOT capitalists. Don't confuse the two.

[OddBeMe]

Yes true, but neither is murdering the upper class. I get it there's frustration. But dont eleft a freakin billionaire as president then. Lol

[Friendlybro79]

@OddBeMe good point. We're starting to confuse vigilante justice as good. Avg people want things to be better and want to be judge, jury, and executioner. If they deem a person bad, it's justified. We're headed into dark times and if big corporations just share the wealth we make them back to us things will get better. That said we have to reject murdering people because we think they deserve it

[OddBeMe]

@Friendlybro79 yes... they're both deeming trump and the killer of a rich ceo as good. And that's not logical.

[msc545]

Capitalists don't like competition one bit, nor do they like "informed" anything. The things they like most are monopolies that they own and control, and THAT is what they aspire to. This accounts for why they absolutely hate antitrust laws, and in the US have essentially nullified them.

[WindAtMyBack]

@msc545

Competition is what makes capitalism work. That's what it's all about. Anyone who supports monopolies is not a capitalist. They might claim to be, but they aren't.

The big problem we've seen in the last 3-4 decades is globalization. Global competition is what supposedly justifies many of the big acquisitions and mergers. The problem is that to compete globally, it tends toward domestic monopolization.

I don't think ANY economic or government systems works globally.

By the way, if you guys don't like monopolies you should have voted for Trump. As far as I know he is the ONLY president in my lifetime to really try to stop the big mergers and acquisitions. The president doesn't have the power to put a stop to it himself, but he pushed for it and was successful at times.

[lightbulb27]

our corporate insanity has gone on so long that it looks normal to us now.

asking those crazed by insanity to behave rationally... is a stretch.

maybe... possibly... the "reeset" has now been triggered. we shall see.

It's very hard to undo greed, it's far stronger than love.

condolences to the guy in charge that was murdered. life is not fair, so many screw others in life on a dialy basis... he was just unlucky.

now gotta worry about copy cats...

I think the answer could be... yes.

[OddBeMe]

I w9uld say voting for trump and his anti immigrant stance was greedy as hell.

[lightbulb27]

there's nothing stopping billionaires on the left from helping the migrants and other countries. you can help them as well. just not in the usa at this point.

[OddBeMe]

I like you think billionaires are mode compelled by politics than keeping their billions. Theyre all the same.

They made you think migrants affect you more than they do. Remember the enemy

[lightbulb27]

I was listening to the mayor of NYC complaning... vegetarian black democrat x policeman. He was complaining too...

[OddBeMe]

Yeah you guys keep mentioning that like a few 100 migrants are even a teaspoon.

[lightbulb27]

you live in some different world than I do. nyc took in over 100,000... cost billions. mayor declared "NYC... is full".

[Anonymous]

Oddly I feel zero for this death. I have been rejected medical care due to my own health plans. Karma is a bitch. It is a shame someone bad to take it into their own hands. Poor choice. But completely understandable.

[Anonymous]

Most people are neither left or right wing. Just because the law says its legal to steal from average working class people doesn't mean it's morally right and if you push to far people push back.

[OddBeMe]

Agreed. But america is either so stupid, or so manic, that we elect a billionaire president and then praise the murder of the rich

[Opinion Owner]

... you do realise that the majority of the rich backed kamala right?

[OddBeMe]

No i don't realize nor agree.

[Opinion Owner]

The backers are there. It was widely reported in forbes. She had the backing of 58% of billionaires

[OddBeMe]

They gave money to both to hedge their bets.

[Juxtapose]

This is simply the consequences of killing people indirectly and then acting cute about it. There are people who have had life-saving surgeries denied because of some shit AI used by that company or just greed in general. That is not the free and open marketplace because these insurance companies don't face proper competition and they finagle the system to screw over the common person.

But as I said before, if you kill people then expect to be killed yourself. I don't care if you kill people indirectly or you masquerade it as some legal action. Denying somebody life-saving treatment when they clearly qualify for it and they pay their insurance every month? That's fucking murder. Insurance companies are a scam and work with the deep state to destabilize society.

Fuck 'em.

[OddBeMe]

you're as confused as crooks lol

[msc545]

@Juxtapose *Excellent* answer. I am stunned by the fact that you and I actually agree on something. Very well said!

[Juxtapose]

@msc545 thanks. Upon looking into it more, that CEO did not have much to do directly with the killer but I do understand the sentiment. I hope people can resolve these things peacefully but if someone I loved died from being denied treatment I would be violently pissed off too.

[msc545]

I am fairly sure the CEO planned and perhaps implemented that AI claim denial system, and he had to know what the result (32% denial rate) would be I think. Very bad indeed.

[msc545]

If this is true - is is sort of like hiring a murderer.

[Juxtapose]

@msc545 if he truly did do that, then he gets no pity from me. Otherwise this is tragic.

[msc545]

Agreed!

[OddBeMe]

@msc545 and that means he's to blame for the deaths of millions? What about the voters who refuse to change the laws that allow ai denials? No, we don't have blood on our hands. Lo.

[msc545]

@Juxtapose this: www.yahoo.com/.../...surers-ai-deny-202000141.html

[msc545]

@OddBeMe Voters cannot change or implement laws because insurance companies BUY politicians. Welcome to representative democracy where representatives are for sale to the highest bidders.

[OddBeMe]

@msc545 we allow them to

[msc545]

Yes, but why do we do that? I think a direct voting system would make it a lot easier to not allow it - what do you think?

[OddBeMe]

@msc545 it's not access to voting, though rural areas have far too much power. It's that we're so stupid we vote for billions one month and cheer ceos getting shot the next.

[jshm2]

Doubt he was executed, probably just murdered for a personal reason.

Also, people die by guns in America every day. It's nearly a national sport.

In fact we often joked as kids that we would not like to move to America as we would need to do a school shooting to fit in.

[Sevenpointfive]

kill them all. it was never about capitalism. it was about consumerism.

the trade and barter system has come a long way.

money is a jewish idea

[OddBeMe]

Easy che Guevara

[Sevenpointfive]

thank you! i needed a movie recommendation

[Sevenpointfive]

i've taken my money out of the trading system. i'm gonna go squat somewhere in one of their houses

[OddBeMe]

What if I told you... consumerism is the heart of capitalism. And united health followed all appropriate laws and legal practices.

[Sevenpointfive]

yes i know this. i hate it. and stupid people are getting to the top without earning it

[molonski2]

It appears so..

The other execs maybe are feeling a little nervous now? Maybe there is a list.

[msc545]

One hopes there is a list and that that will be sufficient to correct some behavior without any violence.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

You're a marxist.

[exitseven]

It would not surprise me if there was a terrorist group that will try and kill these greedy bastards.

[Anonymous]

it's funny how it's bad if RFK Jr goes after the corruption in the health department but a rogue assassin doing it is perfectly fine

[OddBeMe]

The health department? No it's corporate corruption moron

[Opinion Owner]

the health department covers everything health related into corporate corruption in health insurance

but if we were to find out that Luigi voted Republican, you'd be finding excuses to justify his actions

[OddBeMe]

Literally all my posts have been questioning people praising Luigi. Mostly trumpers, ironically

[Opinion Owner]

Trumpers aren't praising Luigi. it's gays and feminists simping and thirsting over him like they did for Ted Bundy and Jeremy Meeks

[OddBeMe]

Shrug... read those many replies. Trumpers have steange blinders

[Opinion Owner]

yes I'm reading comments from leftists and feminists defending the murder. you fuckers are the ones who justified Trump's assassination attempt too which killed a firefighter in the crowd

[OddBeMe]

Who? There's like three leftists on this site

[Opinion Owner]

3 leftists on GAG? lmao. where the fuck do I even begin?

there's you (OddBeMe) goaded and DrPepper are the 3 obvious suspects

add in still-alive, normalice, slatyb, misterwack, northerndude, whitesteve, redinnocent, friendlybro, drgermanguy, syntosi, maybemaybenot etc. yeah the list is long

msc545 is another one but he's ok compared to the rest of you

and don't get me started with the long list of leftist women on GAG

[OddBeMe]

Interesting. Never heard of half those people.

But trumpers being pro Luigi is a huge switch, isn't it? Like religious fcks who get caught with gay lovers.

[Opinion Owner]

haha bullshit. are you dumb or do you enjoy playing dumb?

oh please. if Luigi turned out to have voted for Trump and Brian for Democrat, you libtards outside of thirsty feminists would start attacking Luigi

[OddBeMe]

I'm attacking Luigi for being a fucking murderer. You? Hero worship

[msc545]

The assassin isn't trying to take health care away from us; the insurance exec WAS.

[Opinion Owner]

@msc545 the insurance exec was operating under Obama Care. even then that's beside the point, justification for any murder (outside of self-defense) gives people the license to commit their own murders

[Opinion Owner]

lmao I'm not worshipping Luigi or any murderer for that matter. even if you're not doing it yourself, many on your side are doing so

[msc545]

Nothing was ever said about Obamacare. However, if Obamacare had anything to do with it, it's irrelevant as you yourself seem to admit.

[msc545]

I don't think anyone had any license to commit murder, including Luigi. My point is that the healthcare exec also committed murder.

[Opinion Owner]

@msc545 you can believe they're both murderers and that Luigi had no license to commit murder but it doesn't stop leftists especially feminists from thirsting over him like they thirsted over Ted Bundy, stating his good looks alone proves he is innocent

[msc545]

I don't think at this point anybody is thirsting over him other than a few women who are focused on the fact that he is good looking. It doesn't really matter that he's good looking since when he gets out of prison in 30 years he won't be good looking anymore. Just rough looking.

[msc545]

Maybe just this once you should stop trying to inject your personal politics into this. I don't give a shit who leftists or the right wing is supporting in this matter. This actually is not about politics for once.

[Opinion Owner]

@msc545 yeah it's about murder and people justifying which murder is ok and which isn't

[OddBeMe]

Thsts called govt

[Anonymous]

United Healthcare is a scam company. Deceiving people into thinking they have insurance, and then leaving them in the cold when they need it. And then this dude walks around calling himself a CEO and cashing out millions? yeah fuck him

[OddBeMe]

Most corporations are you marxist

[msc545]

The healthcare exec's behavior (and that of many of them) is no different than that that got people guillotined during the French revolution - and justifiably so.

[genericname85]

being a capitalist doesn't mean everything you can do theoretically do with money should be legal.

[DrPepper12]

Same. I just want a tamer, saner, human centered capitalism, not a guillotine... Yet... 😉

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

guillot--- What?

[noohair]

Don’t admit to being confused. That is a mental health diagnosis. Thy perplexed…

[OddBeMe]

I didn't vote for a bipolar president. So I'm not used to endless swinging

[WowGIrl4ever]

I called you charming sir.

[OddBeMe]

(Slicks back hair) why thank you. Let's get a vodka at the Soviet food line.

[WowGIrl4ever]

I also called you several other things 😃

[OddBeMe]

Sos every woman in line

[WowGIrl4ever]

(bats eyes) you had me at bitch😍

[WowGIrl4ever]

Nice seeing you Ole Top

[OddBeMe]

It was colloquial. Whatever that means

[WowGIrl4ever]

Totally

[DtMe89]

Capitalism doesn't work

[KrakenAttackin]

So what does work in your mind?

[msc545]

@dtme89 It sort of works if regulated, but every time someone tries to do that the Right starts screaming "Communism". So instead, we have guys like Luigi.

[msc545]

@KrakenAttackin I think that Democratic Socialism seems to work better... less chaotic anyway.