Why does US always start wars in the world?

[Anonymous]

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See you shit anon. I am not murican. I always ask questions which criticize US government and americans. You fucker bitcho. 😂

[goaded]

Love that clip! Don't tell me we're violent, I'll shoot you in the head!

[goaded]

That was a very quick MHO! Thank you!

[D_Bone_Steak]

Americans do way more fucked up shit than that.

[DrPepper12]

Yeah, like become zombified MAGAs

[D_Bone_Steak]

@DrPepper12 And zombified BLM cucks, that love killing babies, hate themselves, and hate everyone else and everything except for anything that doesn't resemble themselves in the mirror.

[abc3643]

Are you an idiot?

Of course, generally, the US doesn't start wars. For one thing, it sort of can't. In the United States, to formally engage in war, war has to be declared and Congress has to do that, not the President. So, for instance, after Pearl Harbor, FDR had to make an address to Congress to declare war on Japan.

Now, for something like Operation Desert Storm in 1991 or the post-9/11 wars, these weren't formal wars involving a declaration of war, but they did involve Congressional approval first. But the post-9/11 wars were just that; a response to 9/11.

I think the last war that the US genuinely started may have been the Spanish-American War in 1898.

I can't think of an actual "We started this" war during the 20th or 21st centuries other than Operation Iraqi Freedom (the Iraq War begun in March 2003) would likely qualify though; it was begun under the pretense of a proactive move in the wake of 9/11. However, that was a bullshit war - many said "war for oil". It wasn't; it was really a family feud between the Bushes and Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.

Here's the story...

Operation Desert Storm, during the George HW Bush aka Bush 41 Administration, was with a coalition of powers to remove Iraq from Kuwait; the Iraqis invaded Kuwait in August 1990. That war ended quickly and Bush got shit for it for not removing Saddam Hussein from power, but he did the right thing. In response, Hussein later tried to have Bush assassinated when he was the new former President and visiting Kuwait in April 1993 during the Clinton Administration. (Clinton responded in June with a missile strike against Iraqi Intelligence, but that wasn't much.) The Bush family didn't forget that assassination attempt, so when George W. Bush aka Bush 43 became President after Clinton, Saddam's time was bound to come to an end. 9/11 was heinous and Iraq had nothing to do with it, but there's a silver lining to every cloud and 9/11 and "weapons of mass destruction" were the perfect foil to drum up a pretense for war against Iraq.

[msc545]

Korea, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and Ukraine war were all started by the US.

[abc3643]

@msc545 No, they weren't.

Afghanistan is in response to 9/11 and the Taliban supporting Al Qaeda who committed 9/11. No 9/11, no Afghanistan.

Korea was not started by the US at all. It began with an invasion of North Korea into South Korea. The UN then issued Resolution 84 in 1950 which led to UN involvement to defend South Korea.
digitallibrary.un.org/record/112027?ln=en&v=pdf

The Vietnam War began in 1954 long before the US was involved. The US became significantly involved after the Gulf of Tonkin incident in 1964 which led to the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.
www.archives.gov/.../tonkin-gulf-resolution

Ukraine is not the US's doing at all.

ADVICE:
Don't be an idiot. It's very unbecoming. Do your due diligence like I just did.

[msc545]

I contend you are wrong about all of this and have bought a lot of propaganda and decided it is truth.

Advice to you: Don't be insulting and call people names in here. It will come back to you.

[goaded]

@msc545 Ukraine wasn't started by the US, it's 100% Russian.

[msc545]

@goaded The Russians invaded Ukraine - that is true. However, they did so inresponse to the US repeatedly making noise about admitting Ukraine to NATO which worried the Russians a great deal, since that would have given the US the ability to establish military bases in Ukraine as well as missile launch facilities. The US had previously assured the Russians it would NOT admit Ukraine to NATO for just this reason, but things changed. See:

www.cato.org/.../us-nato-helped-trigger-ukraine-war-its-not-siding-putin-admit-it

[goaded]

@msc545 That would be why Cuba is the 51st US state. Choosing to join a defensive alliance is not the same as locating nuclear missiles there, and neither is an excuse to invade and take a country.

[msc545]

@goaded Historically joining NATO means the US will build military bases in your country, and the Russians know this and will not tolerate it so close to their border - any more than the US would. NATO is a lot more than a defensive alliance.

[goaded]

@msc545 It's not a requirement, though. There's none in Poland, for example. It wouldn't have been unreasonable to negotiate continued use of Sebastopol and no US bases, it was unreasonable to invade. More importantly, NATO has never invaded a country to make it part of NATO, and it never will.

[msc545]

@goaded It is not a stated requirement but it certainly is an unstated one. The use of existing bases for US forces is functionally the same as the US building bases there - just cheaper. NATO doesn't need to invade countries to get what it wants - it has other more subtle ways of doing this. Politically, NATO and the US are the same thing.

[goaded]

@msc545 Tell that to Trump.

[Massageman]

Thank you.

[goaded]

@msc545 Apologies: "Army establishes permanent garrison in Poland March 21, 2023" www.army.mil/.../army_establishes_permanent_garrison_in_poland

Any idea why?

[msc545]

@goaded Why not? More use of equipment means more $$ to the war industry here in the US.

[goaded]

@msc545 I think it has more to do with Poland not wanting to be next.

[msc545]

@goaded They are next already based on this.

[goaded]

@msc545 Only if Putin wins in Ukraine and Trump's an asshole... Oh.

[msc545]

@goaded yes...

[goaded]

@msc545 He might have a hard time justifying pulling troops out just before an invasion. But I'm probably overestimating his supporters.

[msc545]

@goaded Yes!!!

[Kelley1]

For almost 200 years, the US has started wars or jumped into wars that were already started. FDR began to the war against Japan by committing acts of war against Japan such as blockades and ignoring all diplomatic attempts by Japan. FDR even allowed the attack on Pearl Harbor, when he knew it was coming and could have easily prevented it.

Since WW2 they US has started many wars, because it is good politics and because because defense contractors are making $billions.

[RavVid]

Well not always. You can't pin WWI & II on the US. Nor Ukraine. Cold War I was more from Soviet aggression ( I am saying CWI because with Russia & China as they are there has to be at least trading blocks and a CWII). Korea was mostly due to North Korean aggression. Arguably Vietnam too.

Post 1900 I think you could reasonably characterize most wars having been forced onto the US or US response to aggression by other countries and often just supplying material as with Ukraine.

Starting is initiating. The war on terror I'd categorize as a forced response.

[goaded]

I agree about 80%: Iraq was a war of aggression. Vietnam was waged on false pretences. The "war on drugs" has screwed up the whole world.

Labelling legally available drugs as "this drug has resulted in the deaths of X million people this year" and/or "this drug causes X% of users to become addicted" might have been a better approach.

[RavVid]

@goaded I am glad we can agree to 80%. With Iraq

[RavVid]

Don't know what happened above. I have changed to Linux Mint today. Anyway continuing...

The first Iraq war was in response to Hussein launching an invasion and was highly justified. The second was unfortunate. Today weapons of mass distraction is billed as a lie but stems from misinformation that Hussein was injecting into geopolitics to make his neighbors afraid of him.

It might have been naive of the US & UK in particular to believe Saddam's propaganda but he had invaded Kuwait so he had some runs on the board. 49 countries thought so.

With Vietnam again it was one side of a partitioned country invading the other partition. Of any war this has to be the most dubious and ill advised I would certainly agree and the most divisive with the countries that participated. The way the vets were treated was quite appalling.

Still I think that the people making those decisions deserve to be judged on the circumstances of their time without revisionism.

My country participated in all these wars and Vietnam is the only one I think was ill judged but that doesn't go as far as being wrong.

[msc545]

Ask the Vietnamese what the fuck they think about it being "WRONG".

[DrPepper12]

Because they're a violent war like people who need to justify defense jobs in every congressional district and that means that you need to keep turning over inventory...

Because it's a dystopian capitalist society that offers the deal of your life for an education which becomes the only way out for the crushing poverty for many...

Because it's an arrogant society that has claimed to be the world's policeman for over a century and cops need kit...

Because American voters are dumb as fuck and largely have no clue what's going on outside their narrow parochial survivalist world...

[FreyaRed]

USA got rich with two world wars. Argentina as example got rich with first world war due meat export but Argentinian elites were too foolish to keep their wealth. US got rich mostly due Lend lease program for Russia who paid in gold, but England paid in gold too for supplies.
Business model that works will be repeated and human life doesn't really have a value for people who make choices.

[lightbulb27]

uh...

didn't start WWII... not the hitler part of it, instigated Japan.

Korea... north invaded south

Vietnam... instigated, but they were invading south.

Grenada?

Gulf war - don't recall...

Iraq - we started that, after Saddam didn't bow to usa about weapons. fair to say, we started

Ukraine - appears we started.

because were about power/control to secure out wealth and security.

[Astarlessnightsky]

The gigantic military budget has to be used somewhere.

And often the US gets to loot nice stuff from looting the corpse of a dead countries body.

[emeraldsaphire]

How else is Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman gonna sell all their fancy splody tech, plus you gotta protect the Petro Dollar So the money machines can go brrrr

[andreasderjuengere]

... to cover up how bad they can sing?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/hMzIk2pUuNU

[goaded]

I'm not going to click that!

[andreasderjuengere]

@goaded... that's a wise decision :D

[exitseven]

because politicians like liz chemey made millions from foreign wars.

[MarjorieJ]

At the end of Dick's reign of power, they rolled him out in a wheel chair with a blanket over him.
He was hoping to garner attention for himself. Poor me. I hope he rots in hell.

[exitseven]

@MarjorieJ when former president Gerald Ford died, Dick Cheney was one of his pall bearers. When they carried his casket out of the Capitol they walked in front of a full length mirror. Dick Cheney had no reflection.

[MarjorieJ]

I believe that. When Trump took office, the left said he would start a war. He never did, but they give him no credit for that.

[msc545]

That is because Cheney is a Demon or a Vampire - not sure which.

[exitseven]

@msc545 he is the anti christ, not obama.

[msc545]

Certainly possible. After all - he may literally have no heart. That said - his daughter seems like maybe a decent sort even if she was a Republican. Must be mom's genes at work in her.

[exitseven]

@msc545 Liz is a traitorous swine.

[msc545]

She is not a traitor to the country at all. On the contrary.

[MarjorieJ]

And the left loves her,

[exitseven]

@msc545 She is one of the swampy Republicans. Worse than the democrats.

[msc545]

What does swampy mean?

[exitseven]

@msc545 she is up to her neck in the Swamp.

[msc545]

I'm sorry I don't mean to sound stupid but what swamp are you referring to?

[exitseven]

@msc545 the big swamp in DC that most of the politicians swim in. The one Trump wants to drain.

[msc545]

I didn't know that there was a big swamp in DC. I also didn't know that people swam in it.

[exitseven]

@msc545 it has been covered up by the fake news.

[MarjorieJ]

And the word on the street is that she wants Joe to pardon her. I was talking to my brother, and I said that when someone gets a pardon, they should at least tell us the crime they're being pardoned for. According to Google, a pardon is forgiving a crime. Cool beans. Tell us the crime. Is that too much to ask?

[Massageman]

@MarjorieJ never hear the good stuff - - - -

[MarjorieJ]

@Massageman

It doesn't make the news.


I asked a question about Melanias coat. The geniuses removed it for being offensive. That's how the left works.

[Daniela1982]

@exitseven Don't waste your time explaining to MSC. He has a negative for anything positive someone might say. He just loves to argue because he needs his dose of drama for the day. 🤣😂

[DrPepper12]

@MarjorieJ he can have a seat right next to Kissinger...

[MarjorieJ]

@DrPepper12

Now praise Biden. You asshats always forget that part.

[MarjorieJ]

@Daniela1982
If you tell him the sky is blue, he demands a link or proof of some kind. When I was in college, my cafavorite class was philosophy. My teacher said that the only truths in life, are things that are true by definition. All barking dogs

[exitseven]

@MarjorieJ My Philosophy professor said that Truth is like a dead skunk in the middle of the street. You can walk away from it but it still stinks.

[MarjorieJ]

I don't now what happened there. All blue things are blue. It's true by definition. There was an idiot in class who argued with this. Maybe not all blue things are blue. What? If it's not blue, then how is it a blue thing? I think MSC was that guy. @exitseven has a headless cat. So I'm going to say that all headless cats, don't have heads. Gomer would argue with that.

[exitseven]

@MarjorieJ Is the sky blue to a colorblind person?

[MarjorieJ]

I'm not sure. I don't mean to make light of Sammy not having a head, but it kind of makes me smile. My Pal met Doc Watson in Chicago. My pal said his guitar looks like it's been through a few wars. Doc was blind, and probably the best flat picker to ever grace this Earth. This is finger picking and not flat picking, but Sammy won't notice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCl1emxubWM

[exitseven]

@MarjorieJ It has been quite a few years since Sammy was killed. I still feel a little responsible. We used to leave the cats outdoors during the day when the weather was nice. They loved their little backyard.
I would leave their food and water bowls on the deck under the table in the shade..
One day Sammy went missing and we found him 3 or 4 days later in the woods behind my house.
I always thought that coyotes only came out at night.

[MarjorieJ]

Now you know. They killed Bo Bo.

[exitseven]

@MarjorieJ sorrry.

[DrPepper12]

Why would I praise Biden? I'm not even done dumping on Cheney's fellow travelers Putin & Bibi!!

[Loki97]

Seems highly untrue especially if you look at all the evidence, sure we get involved but starting them all is crazy.

[NYCQuestions1976]

The only wars that are going on in the world right now were started by the Diet Soviet Union and the Hamassholes.

[DrPepper12]

"You can't be serious"
John McEnroe

[NYCQuestions1976]

@DrPepper12 I'm not wasting my valuable time listing every skirmish that's currently going on which have nothing to do with the United States anyway.

[Dongie]

Somebody has to keep the rest of you idiots in line. What are you gonna do about it but whine like a little bitch? 🤣

[Dongie]

Don't forget Germany. They create WW's.

[goaded]

That's why we have laws against fascists.

[Dongie]

Why does antifa get a pass as an "IDEA"?

Do I need to tell you it's because they are one of a few street thugs in place to threaten and push back on conservative voters. 😱

[goaded]

The clue is in the name: Anti-Fascist. No fascists, no AntiFa. Well, a few, but not millions.

"Street thugs"? Let's see, "militias" (who don't believe they have to obey the elected government), Proud Boys, Oath Keepers (convicted seditionists), Boogaloo boys (who killed police), MAGA morons who attacked the Capitol and beat up police, your general racists like the ones who murdered Ahmaud Arbery, thinking they were entitled to...

[Dongie]

You don't understand the full meaning of fascist. Just calling yourselves anti does not give one free reign to impose ones will upon another.

[goaded]

That's the whole point about Anti-Fascist, it's about not letting people impose ones will upon another.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

oh! lets not forget that nazis started off just like Antifa before becoming who they were in WW2

[Dongie]

That's right, @Filthy_Immigrant! The brown shirts were a good bit tougher than the soy boys, thank God.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

@dongie is also funny how a lot of leftists claim that everything they hate is "fascism"

[Dongie]

True this. You gotta love when they say antifa is anti fascist all the while they are attacking people in the streets for wearing a MAGA hat. Stupid is as stoopid does!!

[goaded]

Guess where the right wing Germans were on election day: Mar-a-Lago.

[Dongie]

😅 still sore from the j6 news I see. Well it's just going to get worse for you as j20 approaches.

[goaded]

Still believing propaganda outlets when they say someone lied who obviously told the truth?

Do you even understand the difference between FBI agents and confidential informants?

Does it hurt to be that stupid?

[Dongie]

Jesse actually explains this on the video 🐓🍭. You just need to watch it. You'll find out about j6 and that EVERYTHING myself and my friends @MarjorieJ and @Filthy_Immigrant have said is the true actual fact!!

[goaded]

No, he lies. Confidential informants are criminals who have been paid or coerced into giving information about their fellow criminals. Federal agents are people entrusted with a badge and a gun and were not present in the mob at the Capitol.

[MarjorieJ]

Block this moron.

[goaded]

@MarjorieJ Yeah! Don't worry about the truth!

Confidential informants are criminals who have been paid or coerced into giving information about their fellow criminals. Federal agents are people entrusted with a badge and a gun and were not present in the mob at the Capitol.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

There is no saving them. But oh well luckily for us their mental illness is not our reality

[Dongie]

Well, goat cheese, the corruption of the left runs through the FBI along with all the other areas of government needed to pull off all that they've done. You know Jesse speaks truthfully. I see it in your desperate pleas laced with bullshit. Haha...🤣

[Dongie]

Ok, Marjie, I'll block this loaded turd.

[Dongie]

Heh, what McGimlet!!

[Ladsin2]

What a silly view of the world. War has been the way of the world for all peoples for all of time.

[msc545]

To prop up the US war industry, which actually runs the country, and is not fooling anyone by calling itself the "Defense" industry.

[Anonymous]

They don't it just appears that way because the United States is the world's lone Superpower and due to our massive economy we have interests worldwide that need to be tended to.

[Anonymous]

to spread their woke liberalism garbage to the rest of the world

[grega239]

Money and politics... i mean for freedom and democracy of course

[Anonymous]

Because their government has lots of imperialist.

And they are denigrating Russia, or China, or North Korea? Very nice of them.

[noohair]

WWI and WWII were not started by the United States.

[Anonymous]

Seems more like Russia has always been one that does this if you look at their past history and now

[WhiteBoyChill]

Wasn’t russia the last country to start one?

[msc545]

Yes, after we provoked them.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@msc545 way back in 2014 dimwhit

[msc545]

A whole 10 years ago? Wow.

Watch the name calling. It upsets me.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@msc545 lol sorry i hurt your feelings

[msc545]

It is just that I don't do it on here, but some people do - kind of unpleasant

[DollAlone]

To support the economy

[Dargil]

They don't. Ignorant statement.

[RedInnocent69]

To prop up its industry

[beefcakebradybatson]

It's a (collapsing) empire.

[In_Trance]

Because it generates lots of money

[Agape93]

Profit

[MemeSupreme]

deniro

[MarjorieJ]

Block the prick.

[Pterodon]

Always?

[Anonymous]

Money

[Staximus]

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