Why is America so powerless to put out fires?

[Melanie31]

If America is a superpower, why can't it extinguish the fire in its most important state, California?

[Amur8711]

Because leftist are retarded and put DEI before preparations and safty

[DrPepper12]

Maybe they should get their Jewish space lasers to join in the fight!!

[blackeagle007]

Says the guy who supports the orange blob

[Jerre]

A lack of water thanks to the California Governor

[Jerre]

@Melanie31 Thank you for the Like

[Jerre]

@Melanie31 Thank you for the MHO

[malarkey]

California is burning down Los Angeles on purpose. It’s a California Democrat policy. They need to kill off or drive away the citizenry so that they can purchase the land cheap to begin producing a “smart city” in 2028 that will have mass surveillance and essentially act as an open air prison for Californians. The Four Families cartel (Brown, Pelosi, Newsom, & Getty) wants more power and control and they are willing to sacrifice the citizens of California to get it. After all those citizens voted for them and the 2028 Olympics are rapidly approaching. They have big plans to make a lot of fucking money at the expense of Los Angelenos and federal tax payers through FEMA emergency assistance grants, eminent domain laws, and EPA property confiscation dictates. They have already bled Californians for all they have and bankrupted the state to live lavish lives, so they now have to eliminate the creditor which are the people so that they can have a “Great Reset” and steal wealth from other states. People will make up all kinds of bullshit narratives and excuses, but that is the truth of the matter. It's been planned for a long time.

https://ita.lacity.gov/smartla2028

https://la28.org/en.html

[malarkey]

Q told the public California Democrat plans all the way back in 2018, but Californians called it conspiracy theory and ignored warnings for 6 years. Now the day has arrived and their shit hole is burning...

[Ballinbmac01]

I love a good conspiracy but you’re argument doesn’t make much sense to me. Aren’t these homes being burned down the property of well off people who most certainly would have fire insurance because they live in areas that are susceptible to wildfires? Meaning they are gonna more than likely rebuild their homes right? If this was in the hood I would say hmm you might have a point

[malarkey]

@Ballinbmac01 The fire insurance was purposely canceled several months ago.

[malarkey]

@Ballinbmac01 like I said it has been planned for a long time. In 1988 Proposition 103 was passed. As a result insurance companies have to get government permission from an elected commissioner before they can raise rates. No permission was given, so that insurance companies would be forced to cancel policies.

[malarkey]

@Ballinbmac01 But like I said, Californians like you are retarded. Meanwhile your city burns. Enjoy the results of your stupidity.

[malarkey]

www.cbsnews.com/.../

[Ballinbmac01]

I’m not from California nor do I live there

[Caroline91]

There are several reasons. First, any system's capacity has a limit. There are too many large fires happening at the same time in close proximity to each other and the water system bottlenecked. Second, you can clear brush and do controlled burns, etc. and those things used to help mitigate potential for devastating fires to develop. But, after literally decades of drought conditions, there is just too much dead foliage, then add in the beetle infestation that has killed massive amounts of more trees and foliage and what you have is a tinder box. But the biggest factor in that area causing the rapid, out of control spread of the fires, are the Santa Ana winds. It doesn't matter if you have created firebreaks or not when those winds are blowing. The wind will carry the fire long distances in multiple directions at once and the best fire fighters can do is to chase the fires and hope to keep up with them. In my mind, the best solutions would involve 1) getting all electrical lines encased in some fireproof material and underground, and 2) use fire proof materials for all buildings, such as metal roofs and stone or concrete walls and, possibly, extra fireproof safe rooms.

[Miristheiss]

California has bad leadership. It is very dry there and it is prone to fire and the leaders give into extreme environmentalist doctrine and stop the routine of doing controlled burns to regularly clear out a lot of the dry foliage and tumbleweed (don't know if that is what it is called) that accumulates and can ignite a fire.

They also won't make "fire breaks" to contain any fires that could ignite so if a fire starts there are no natural containments built in to help keep it from spreading.

They have cut back a lot of the budget for the fire department so they don't have enough staff and supplies. In my opinion that is one of the main functions of the government and taxation. Fire department, police, infrastructure, security and safety. California spends tons on entitlement programs.

California doesn't have enough water. I'm not an expert on what this process is but they pump a lot of their water reserves into the ocean to help out some fish (environmental stuff) so a lot of their water lines don't work or are low.

Basically... this is the fault of the incompetent leaders but... they keep voting for this stuff so you get what you vote for.

[onedarkcloud]

They also DEFUNDED the Fire Dept Police Dept And many agencies that take care of forested lands lakes empty reservoirs and fire hydrants with no water in the system to fight fires to save a small fish called a Smelt so billions and billions of dollars in the homes industry and lives were lost due to lack of water and the lack of Fire and Police personnel because of politics and DEI. YOU ASKED FOR IT AND YOU GOT IT

[msc545]

LIES. You don't live here, and what you said is bullshit.

[Anonymous]

This is a California problem not an American problem.

The propose of the union is to protect California's right to govern itself and give you as an indiviual the right to vote with your feet when your neighbors all vote like Californians have.

Fire fighting like all natural disasters is a local & state Not federal responsibility.

California has at it's disposal all the resources to deal with the problem and could call in aid from the other 49 states and even Mexico and Canada. But the Governor has to do that, not Joe Biden.

Just like the mayor was suppose to invest in his city's fire fighting capacity and ensure the hydrants worked. But the LA mayor like the Governor would rather spend the money on illegal aliens and drugs

Californian voted for theses people, which is why more and more of them are leaving for better run places like Texas every year.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

DEI / affirmative action hires are a nationwide/western problem

[Opinion Owner]

@Oncewildtwiceburned They are only federation wide in the state that allow it. California has done a lot more than hire unqualified people for decades to manage their fire departments. They have in the same time undercut them in numbers and equipment to the point that this fire problem is nothing new to California.

They don't have the same issue in other states to the same degree.

[ohsheeT]

Because now it's a money game it's a business now out with the old in with the new and the poor people sorry you just got screwed even more it takes a lot of resources to put out a fire let me tell you and depending on exactly where it is what kind of the location the terrain that you could have airplane you could have helicopter couldn't retard all over you can have people in the field and it's dangerous when it's burning that hot they'll put it out they put out all the fires it takes a little bit of time. That you are right about one thing when it first happened well there's so many fires in different locations that's the hard part but if it started in one place the governor should put in an order and had all resources I mean all resources from not only that state but from Nevada to to help

[msc545]

I live in California very near to the recent Palisades fire that is still not out. The problem is the wind, which causes the fire to move very rapidly and which blows hot and flaming embers all over, spreading the fire.

The wind also keeps most aircraft used to fight fires from flying as it is not safe do do so.

California firefighters are the best in the world, but even they cannot work miracles.

Come visit here some time during fire season and see all this for yourself.

[RavVid]

Bush fires are very powerful. As I understand you have hot dry winds. That'll do it. Over 110 F it takes very little for leaf litter to burst into a blaze.

Usually California and Australia exchange fire assets because one is the off season for the other. It is now our bush fire season but we have confirmed assets are available to help out.

[allaboutyou2]

Because the poor leadership in that state prioritize feel good policies than prioritizing real life problems, they are more concerned with the well being of fish than it's citizens. They thought it more virtuous to reroute the water from the mountains to protect the fish, than to let the water go to reservoirs that can be used to put out fires or irrigate crops.
You can't judge the country on the failure of a particular state. re-state//background_color_rgba (0, 0, 0, 0), font_color_rgb (77, 77, 77), justifyLeft

[msc545]

bullshit

[AviatorTom]

What gave you the idea that California is the most important state?

California's geography and climate encourage brush fires... always have. When you build wooden structures in such an environment, and do not take precautions against fire (like making sure there is water in the hydrants), Nature teaches you a lesson.

[chrissykerdock]

how about newsome not cleaning the forests there's always going to be fires but not like this

[msc545]

There are very few wooden structures here. We have plenty of water. The wind is the problem.

[AviatorTom]

@msc545 You mean the Santa Ana winds winds that always blow this time of year? Look at the pictures of the devastation after the fire. All that's left are the stone and metal pieces of the predominantly wood homes.

[msc545]

And why exactly would a predominantly Wood home have stone and metal pieces? Please don't tell me how homes in California are constructed. I see it everyday. And yes it is the Santa Ana winds. And yes they blow every year at this time and this time of year is called fire season for a very good reason.

[AviatorTom]

@msc545 Since you asked... fireplaces, brick facades, kitchen counters

[msc545]

The only thing made out of wood here these days is framing.

[DaBiggestBird]

We’re really the most important state? I thought people here are mostly just retarded nincompoops who can’t decide what gender they are. Not that I see that much around where I live THANK GOODNESS, but I met this German guy from Germany and he called us a “little bitch”.

[Dargil]

Corrupt Democrat leadership with goofy ideas about wildlife and forest , management. The California wildfires have decimated the wealth of Democrat donors and voters. This COULD result in California switching to MAGA when Democrats run out of excuses and someone or something else to blame. It ain't Global Warming. It's incompetent leadership.

[msc545]

bullshit

[Danny_dan92]

They’re not powerless.




The issue is that the local government of my state has mishandled the funds/budget.




They made cuts to the fire department while also not investing in programs in increase water retention as well as clean up wildlife habitats such as clearing dry brush and foliage

[beefcakebradybatson]

Lack of expenditures on infrastructure, including fire fighters and fire fighting equipment due to the good ol' USA's obscene EIGHT HUNDRED FIFTY BILLION DOLAR War (excuse me, DEFENSE) budget, which gives the Pentagon all the toys it wants to the detriment of other aspects of U. S. existence.

[msc545]

Truth

[onedarkcloud]

It costs money to think ahead plan water resources and build reservoirs in the forest to have water available to fight fires deep in the woods. But we have billions and billions for other countries and illegals but not for our infrastructures and our people in need. The great Democratic boondoggle.

[monorprise]

It is state and local money that pays for theses thing, not federal. California has plenty of money to pay for theses thing and for decades they didn't.

[MackBoy]

Sorry when it had to useless wars which was started and created by America, how are they going to spend money for their own citizens? They create and fund Ukraine war, Gaza war, china-taiwanese war and no money left to feed their citizens. Nice US government isn't it?

[monorprise]

@mackboy

What do War have to do with California politician's long standing refusal to properly fund their state's fire fighting capacity like the other western states do?

Wars are fought by the Federal goverment and there is no such war on going now for California to even claim its national guard isn't available.

[msc545]

@monorprise bullshit

[exitseven]

Liberal policies and DEI hires in managerial positions. Also electing democrats. Having policies like diverting water to save some fish or defunding the fire department and failing to perform proper forest management directly cause this tragedy.

[msc545]

@exitseven This is complete horseshit. Shame on you.

[exitseven]

@msc545 the totally incompetent decision makers caused billions in damage and cost 5 and counting lives

[DrPepper12]

Please go to LAFD and read THEIR statements!!! You can't be this obtuse!!

[msc545]

Horseshit.

[exitseven]

@DrPepper12 do you really expect anyone to take responsibility for this?

[DrPepper12]

For what? Fate? Nature? Climate?

[exitseven]

@DrPepper12 Its funny that only california has his problem. Year after year.

[msc545]

We are the only state that has Santa Ana winds. They are a VERY big deal.

[exitseven]

@msc545 other states have winds as well and they do not self immolate every year.

[msc545]

The Santa Anawindsae much different.

[exitseven]

@msc545 Yes, its because California sucks.

[msc545]

But in a good way...

[Pohjolan]

Firstly other priorities.

Secondly counter fires are not permitted in most (all?) US states.

Thirdly countries that are more competent at putting out forest fires usually put them out while they are small and locals have a big role in this.

Most Americans wouldn't know how to even if they wanted to.

[monorprise]

@Pohjolan
America isn't a 'country' like yours but a federation of states spanning an entire continent with almost every kind of environment and landscape.

That is why every state is responsible for dealing with its local environment including natural disasters as part of the cost of living on that geography and in that environment.

Today Californian is really bad at fighting fires because the people of California have for decades voted for politicians who drastically undercut the state's firefighting capacity as well as their forest management capacity. This is why the state is not managing its fires well unlike other western states.

The feds do not have a legitimate right to get involved for several reasons:
1: They are too far.
2: they are too ignorant being mostly from different environment with different problems.
3: It really isn't fair to make the people already paying for their own problems pay for delinquent states like California's problems.
4: It really does not help California when its people rely upon the aid of outsiders who really are not in a position to do the job instead of picking up the bill to do it themselfs. (not unlike Europe calling on America to deal with their security problems)

[msc545]

@monorprise You do not live here and you have absolutely no idea what goes on here.

[monorprise]

@msc545 Where exactly is 'here'? Because I certainly do live in the country i speak of, and the claims I made about the other one are easily verified with basic geography.

[msc545]

@monorprise I live at the beach in SoCal about 1 mile from the fire line, clown. Where do you live?

[monorprise]

@msc545 I am afraid im not dumb enough to live in Califorina anymore, I did at one point thou.

[msc545]

@monorprise So as I said - you don't live here and you know nothing.

[monorprise]

@msc545 I lived there I know plenty.

[msc545]

Things change and they change a lot. How long ago did you live here?

[jshm2]

The same reason it can't stop hurricanes, floods and tornado's

America, like the USSR put 90% of it's focus on military might. Means it can't do fuck all for local services.

[Douglas1179]

I reckon God has a plan for them Californians.

[msc545]

bullshit

[lightbulb27]

were the most indebted country in the world. even with all the equipment, not much can stop fire driven by high winds and very dry land.

[worldscolide]

Because leftists voted for people who stripped all of the funding from fire fighters. It's not America, it's California. And it's 100% the leftists fault.

[andreasderjuengere]

In a culture that claims to be superiour in next to anything, it is no wonder that failure is proven each single day.

Some things are just not controllable.

[kellytheman]

Well California have a hard time getting water because of droughts that have and there water comes from the Colorado River which is a little far away to get clean water. Also it also the money and weather that could be a problem.

[msc545]

What is it with the right wing seeking the most simplistic solutions they possibly can think of? We have plenty of f****** water. However, we also have plenty of very destructive winds that blow flaming embers all over the place which in turn cause more and more fires. Well we have plenty of water but we are lacking water pressure because of heavy usage. That is the problem and that is why you think we have no water. The water systems are not designed for multiple users simultaneously. These are extremely old water systems and they are not up to meeting current demands.

[kellytheman]

@msc545 okay but where I live I guess I wouldn’t really know about that. I live next to the Mississippi River and we have problems with to much water and floods.

[msc545]

Okay well I understand that you have problems but they are different than ours. People seem to have trouble understanding what you clearly understand.

[WhitneySnow]

Sometimes natural disasters affect even great countries

[monorprise]

@WhitneySnow I think your too young to remember all the other times California had out of control fires in the last few decades. This isn't a new problem and its got the same cause incompetent local & sate governments that have for decades gutted their fire fighting and forest management capacity.

[msc545]

@monorprise bullshit

[monorprise]

@msc545 Only to you, the rest of us remember

[msc545]

All you remember are your false memories and the lies you told and continue to tell apparently.

[Static_In_The_Attic]

Firefighters fight fires & wildfires mean overtime pay.

[slatyb]

Because there is an unprecedented number of fires and there is not unlimited water.

[Amur8711]

Literally by the ocean.

[HungTexan]

It’s California—not America. It’s sad and awful, but some of it could have been avoided.

[glennos89]

Fire 🌞 ry material strong winds= blazing fires that are uncontrollable

[Anonymous]

America is not powerless to put out fires. Los Angeles is, at least currently.

Why? Years of mismanagement and poor decision making by politicians who prioritize pet environmental projects above basic human safety.

[LiamS95]

Due to the great winds coming from off shore that fans the flames and spreads the fires uncontrollably.

[msc545]

truth

[Bklynbadboy12]

It's not that easy first off what wind is a big problem cause it's fanning the flames secondly the fires has a lot of fuel to burn meaning there is a lot of trees

[FunkyMonkee]

Why is California so powerless to prevent them?

[Makeushiver]

Because our lack of knowledge in re. history, other cultures, languages is so weak

[NYCQuestions1976]

It's because California has become a far-left liberal circle-jerk. You reap what you sow.

[msc545]

Idiot. The fire doesn't care what your politics are.

[DrPepper12]

It's not the Santa Anna wind... That would be... Common sense...

[NYCQuestions1976]

@msc545 @DrPepper12 Santa Ana winds and low humidity happen frequently in southern California. Poor water management by the useless governor, along with environmentalists' failure to understand the importance of removing dry dead brush when necessary, is what's causing these fires to be so catastrophic.

[msc545]

@DrPepper12 I just asked the wind - it is taking credit, so...

[msc545]

@nycquestions1976They do not happen "frequently" and we have plenty of water. Everyone here clears brush regularly.

What we don't have and need is a lack of wind, you obtuse, pathetic, uneducated ASSHOLE.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@msc545 I've followed meteorology as a passion my entire life. I know damn well that the Santa Ana winds kick up at least a half dozen times a year, on average. That's enough to qualify as "frequently". If you prefer "commonly", I won't split hairs. If they weren't a reoccurring and/or common meteorological phenomenon, they wouldn't have a name.

Governor Geaseball is the reason those fires are so bad right now, for the reasons I already mentioned. You're living in denial.

[msc545]

Stick the meteorology that you don't understand up your ass. I live here in SoCal and the goddamn fire was stopped about 50 feet from my house. I am not interested in your cheap bullshit theories.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@msc545 Meteorology that I don't understand? Cheap bullshit theories? Laughable. Just because I'm pointing out painful facts doesn't mean that you should take out your misfortune on me. Put the blame on your governor, where it belongs.

The winds will be kicking up again, starting tonight, and probably will be lasting for days again. If you're as close as you claim, you need to get out of there immediately. We'll save the arguing for another day.

[msc545]

These fires have been going on for years. Although not at this intensity. I reiterate that the problem is climate change and also if I haven't mentioned it our utility company which refuses to fix its power lines and which in the past has started many fires. I understand you may not like our governor's politics, but the fact of the better is that we like our governor a lot and we don't really mind his politics and he does a pretty good job. If he didn't do a good job or we actually thought he was causing the problem, he would not have been reelected. In fact, the truth is that people are so upset right now. He might not even be walking around upright, but he is and we're grateful for it.

[msc545]

The water management is not the problem. The problems are downed power lines that are still active that start the fires, and the Santa Ana winds. Brush management is generally OK given the laws about having to do it and the heavy enforcement of those laws but in high winds brush does not matter much when hot embers end up in your eaves and start fires that burn your house down in 15 minutes.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@msc545 I agree that decrepit live power lines in service that remain above ground are a significant part of the problem. However it's definitely not the only problem, and it's still the responsibility of the governor to make sure that the power companies are able to rectify the problem without interference from radical environmentalists that are against the power companies starting and completing those projects. It's like the environmentalists in California don't consider the tons of smoke particulates generated from wildfires polluting the atmosphere dangerous for the environment. Also, NBC caught Newsom in a lie when he said that all of the reservoirs were full, when the reservoir closest to the Palisades wasn't full. California has an all-around management problem, and it starts with Newsom.
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[msc545]

You don't live here, and you have no idea what really goes on here. As usual, all you can hear are the voices of rightwing liars.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@msc545 Bill Maher and Ana Kasparian both live there. They're both right-wing liars? CBS and NBC (specifically Meet The Press in this instance) are right-wing media outlets? Newsom didn't lie to the Meet The Press reporter about the reservoir near Palisades? Bass didn't leave for Ghana two days before the wildfires started, when the National Weather Service had already issued a PDS (particularly dangerous situation) Red Flag Warning for Los Angeles? None of these things happened and/or are true?

[msc545]

They will say what they are paid to say. Don't be naive.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@msc545 So some person or group on the right is paying life-long liberals living in Los Angeles like Maher and Kasparian to disparage Newsom and Bass, and also paying CBS and NBC to make them look bad?

[Surely]

Because when you have unkept forests, dry conditions and high winds. It is more powerful and destructive than past nonnuclear wars!

[seeyounexttuesday]

Let’s settle down. The state of California run by democrats are powerless to put out fires.

[TheStaleMarshmellow]

Lol This site is seriously a big game of Cards against Humanity

[Staximus]

The 80 mile per hour wind didn't help things

[FenixG45]

Mother Nature is more powerful than ALL countries combined!

[blackeagle007]

That area in Cali is so dry like Arizona. Not recommending living there

[UnwantedScorpio]

Makes me wonder what idiot forgot to replace the water

[msc545]

We have plenty of water - that is NOT the problem. The wind is the problem.

[In_Trance]

Because it doesn't want to. There's a lot of money to be made and a lot of revenue on the line

[monorprise]

This is a California problem not an American problem.

Other fire prone western states don't have soo much trouble as California because they didn't neglect their state's fire fighting capacity as California has for decades.

[In_Trance]

Whatever helps you sleep at night

[monorprise]

@In_Trance Like everyone else who has left Californian I don't worry about the illresponsable things their goverment does and doesn't do.

I am glad the feds do not have a legitimate right to get involved for several reasons:
1: They are too far.
2: they are too ignorant being mostly from different environment with different problems.
3: It really isn't fair to make the people already paying for their own problems pay for delinquent states like California's problems.
4: It really does not help California when its people rely upon the aid of outsiders who really are not in a position to do the job instead of picking up the bill to do it themselfs. (not unlike Europe calling on America to deal with their security problems)

[chrissykerdock]

because of corruption

[Agape93]

Because that's nature ffs. Where are you from?

[NatalieKeller95]

because democrats are full of hot air

[ChicoFromThe305]

I think it's done on purpose to burn evidence

[KrakenAttackin]

America can, California can't.

[autonation]

California doesn’t represent America.

[Cheerfull009]

azaab from Allah , for bad deeds

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

Women

[DrPepper12]

Three

[Anonymous]

100 mph wind...

[Opinion Owner]

It's amazing how people outside of california have zero clue