Is Hillary and the DNC responsible for Trump serving a second term?

[Anonymous]

It's been my belief that if, in 2016, had Hillary and the DNC not colluded together to ensure only Hillary could get the nomination, Trump and MAGA would have fizzled out. Had Sanders been allowed to win the nomination in 2016, chances are Trump would have lost, and his movement would have fizzled out. It's been debatable whether Sanders would have beaten Trump, but some of the polling at the time showed Sanders doing better than Hillary against Trump. On top of polling better than Hillary, Sanders had stronger support among independents, and didn't have a lot of the baggage that Hillary had, one noticeable baggage, was Hillarys support for bad trade deals (Sanders didn't support them) that shipped manufacturing job's to other countries

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[seeyounexttuesday]

Don't forget the DNC colluding with FBI and social media to keep Trump out in 2020, and forcing Biden and Kamala on the democrat voters.

[Syntosi]

Even if you want to blame the Democrats for providing weak candidates to run against Trump, it is still Trump voters that are ultimately responsible for any political power Trump has, being president or not. Trying to shift the blame to the DNC or Hillary is just ignoring the fact that 1/3rd of Americans are voting for a madman.

[Asker]

It wasn't just Democrats providing weak candidates, Hillary and the DNC, actively worked with media outlets behind the scenes in 2016 to help Trump get the Republican nomination thinking he'd be the easiest to beat. It's not shifting the blame when Hillary and the DNC are to blame, it was their actions that lead to Trump getting elected. Many independent voters didn't vote for Trump because they liked him, they voted for him because they hated the Democratic nominee more, so forcing unlikeable candidates is part of the reason we have Trump. Attacking voters for voting the way they did is not helping future elections.

[Syntosi]

Again, saying someone voted for Trump because they hated the Democratic nominee is just trying to excuse the fact that they voted for a madman out of spite. They are definitely the problem.

[Asker]

This negativity contributed to Harris losing. Only leftist like yourself view Trump as a mad man, most moderates and independents viewed as the lesser of two evils. Honestly, attacking votes who viewed Trump as the lesser of two evils is off putting and will make them less likely to vote Democrat in 2028.

[Syntosi]

Sure, I can agree that attacking voters for voting Trump will be off-putting and potentially swing the election away from the Democrats, but we are not talking about winning strategies or how to manipulate the dumb average voter into voting for their own best interest. We are trying to assign blame to those who are responsible, and those people are without a shadow of a doubt the average Trump voter.

And I can build some very strong logical arguments for why Trump is a madman, which includes his mental degradation I might add.

[exitseven]

It really was all of them but it was mostly Joe Biden. He did a lot of damage

[DrPepper12]

There's no WAY Bernie could have won. The shit he said n wrote in the 60s n 70s would have BURIED him with boomers n MAGAs. They did him wrong but hrc DID win in any normal nation where majority rules.

USA got what it wanted - a fool & moron. 'MURICA!

[Asker]

That's actually false, Sanders would have won, polls showed it, and at the time he was the most popular senator and was respected by the right, they didn't agree with him, but they still respected him. Part of the reason Trump won in 2016, was a combination of voters hating Hillary more resulting in a Trump vote and voters hating both equally resulting in no votes. Had the election been Sanders vs Trump, less people would have stayed home and less people would have voted for Trump do to hating Hillary more. Being a Constitutional Federal Republic is being a normal country, and Hillary knew the rules when she decided to run. Not us voters, we wanted populist candidate, but the establishment wanted an establishment fool they could control, that's why we got Trump in 2016 and Biden in 2020.

[DrPepper12]

Bruh. I supported Sanders. I've studied, learned and reflected and he couldn't have won.

[Anonymous]

They sure are. Sanders would have been a good 2 term president and this whole Trump nonsense would be stuck in 2016. DNC cares more about pleasing their corporate than winning.