Should the children of illegals born in the US be made citizens?

[NoDecision]

Should the child of an illegal born in a bank vault be made a Bank Officer?

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

The analogy in the image that you've shown is a bad analogy because the United States isn't exactly your property. No one "owns" America. Much like a homeowner is allowed to create rules for his or her own property, the United States government is allowed to make rules for America in correspondence to the United States Constitution. According to the 14th Amendment of the United States Constitution,

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Therefore, denying citizenship to the children of undocumented immigrants is illegal. Children shouldn't be punished based upon the actions of their parents, and revoking the citizenship of a person that was directly born on American soil only complicates matters. The government would likely struggle to come to a consensus if the child would be a legal non-citizen in some capacity, but technically they can't be considered immigrants. Also, one can't logically be considered "illegal" if they were born on American soil. Thus, the more practical solution would be to grant them citizenship as the United States Constitution promises.

As for whether or not this portion of the 14th Amendment should be amended itself, I disagree. Instead of mass deportations, which only costs the taxpayers more money, especially when you consider that such deportations can easily be circumvented by frequent recidivism and overstayed visas, I support granting undocumented immigrants a pathway to citizenship instead. If the undocumented immigrant hasn't committed any major crime and paid their taxes, I fail to see why they shouldn't be allowed to become citizens instead of being deported. However, considering that they are mostly targeting undocumented immigrants from Black and Hispanic majority countries, pathway to citizenship defies the White nationalist agenda that they are clearly pushing under the current administration.

[malarkey]

It's amazing how you democrats can type so much and are not able to read. You even put the rules in bold.

""All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

reside: to be in residence

This means the person having the baby has to have legal residence in the state in which they are born. If you come illegal, you don't have legal residence, thus you do not reside in any state. Learn to read and stop making up bullshit.

[malarkey]

*their child is born

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@malarkey: Alright, Mr. Hooked on Phonics. Firstly, I have no idea why you think that I am a Democrat. Secondly, I think you need to work on your reading comprehension skills. The Constitution says, clear as day, that all persons born in the United States are citizens. It doesn't say anything about the parents, nor are the parents required to have "legal residency." Since you're such a great reader, I would love for you to show me where it mentions anything about the parents. The passage simply means that not only are people born in the United States granted citizenship by birthright, but they are also citizens of the state that they are born in as well, meaning they are granted rights and privileges at the state level, namely the state that they live in. You don't have to be a "legal immigrant" to live in a state. Of course, Americans have rights and privileges at both the federal and state levels. This has been argued and interpreted through various case law throughout history. Goodness, if you're this stupid, it's no wonder that Trump won again.

[malarkey]

So now you don't want to rad the entire thing you put in bold. You're dumb as a rock retard and are too fucking embarrassed to admit when you are wrong. But eh if you want to try and twist the law an exclude a parent from birth, then no child resides in any state. So by your interpretation you should be deported.

[malarkey]

You even said "state that they live in" and still ignore residency. You really are bottom of the barrel constantly contradicting yourself.

Resident: a person who lives or has their home in a place:

[malarkey]

*read

[malarkey]

They aren't citizens of any state if they don't have legal residency. If they aren't a resident of a state, then they don't belong to the states that ratified the constitution. Thus they are not party to the contract. But go on... Keep showing off your stupidity.

[malarkey]

but since you are such an arrogant little shit I'll show you where it speaks of parents since you are too dumb to process it and I might as well rub it in. I like people like you... Fucking entertaining.

BORN: to come out of a MOTHER'S body, and start to exist:

MOTHER: a female PARENT

BORN -> MOTHER -> PARENT

now sit the fuck down...

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@malarkey: Oh god you're stupid! I did read the entire bold text. Since you're supposedly the amazing reader here and the judge of whether or not someone else can read, I asked you to show me where this portion of the Constitution mentioned anything about the parents. I'll do your homework for you: it doesn't mention shit about them. It simply refers to people born in the United States, which, in this context, refers to the children of undocumented immigrants, not their parents dumbass. I also didn't ignore residency. I said, clear as day, that you don't have to be a legal immigrant to have a residence in a state. A "residence" is simply a place where you live and don't intend to leave anytime soon. For example, an undocumented immigrant can easily be a "resident" at a relative's house, which a lot of them are. You even provided the definition yourself, but somehow still missed the point entirely. That's incredible. You truly are a dumbass that lives up to your name, since "malarkey" is all that you spew.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@malarkey: Malarkey, I'm curious, what's shorter, the bus that you rode on when you were a school kid, or your dick? You don't have to be a citizen to be a legal resident. Not every immigrant, documented or not, is a citizen of the United States. Immigrants that are staying on temporary visas, lawful permanent residents, refugees, and so on are non-citizens that can establish a residence in a state if they can find somewhere to live. This also applies to undocumented immigrants. I'm starting to wonder now if you're trolling me because surely no one can be this dumb. Like, your little explanation with BORN and MOTHER has me laughing so hard, I can't control myself. Troll or not, I admit, you're funny! I know what "born" means. lol I get that people that are born require a mother to come out of. What I don't get is where the Constitution says that mother has to be a legal immigrant. Leave your personal opinion out of this and use your complex reading skills to copy and paste where the Constitution says this. If you can do that, I'll admit that I'm wrong. If you can't do it, admit that you're stupid, and fuck off!

[malarkey]

All states have residency requirements dipshit. It’s a legal term dipshit. The constitution is a legal document dipshit. You don’t get to make up your own happy feel good definitions dipshit, you have to refer to the legal residency requirements of your state dipshit. You’ve clearly demonstrated that you don’t know the meaning of reside or residency dipshit. Births can’t occur without a parent dipshit. You’ve clearly demonstrated you do not know the meaning of born dipshit. When you are born, you are in the legal custody of your parent dipshit. Thus by default as a custodian for you (someone entrusted to keep you as and maintain you as property) you depend on your parent's residency unless you are seized by the state or become an adult dipshit. People on temporary visas are not illegal aliens dipshit. They are legal immigrants and yes, they may establish residency in a state dipshit. If your parent follows the criteria in a state to establish residency, then your parent resides in that state and if they birth a child once they reside in that state, then that child is a citizen of the United States dipshit. What a dipshit.

[malarkey]

Additionally due to The Supremacy Clause, federal law takes precedence over any conflicting state law. Thus any states that create "sanctuary laws" to harbor illegal allies and claim they have residency must defer to the federal government's authority. The United States government possesses all the powers incident to a sovereign, including unqualified authority over the Nation’s borders and the ability to determine whether foreign nationals may come within its territory. Thus any residency requirements of some commie shit hole state that conflict with federal immigration policy are not valid dipshit. You must be a legal immigrant in order to obtain residency, and thus reside in a state and be under their jurisdiction for the purposes of birthing a citizen on American soil and have them become a citizen dipshit.

[malarkey]

And if you decide to get more retarded and go to US territories and say well then how do they get citizenship, well it's not due to their constitutional protections because they have none. Insular case law dictates what rights they do and don't have as residents of US territories. They only gain constitutional rights one they establish residency in a state belonging to the union, otherwise they are under the administration of the War Department's Bureau of Insular Affairs. You have to be a resident of a state for the constitution to apply to you and your offspring.

[malarkey]

Dipshit...

[NoDecision]

@malarkey We know what it says. That wasn't the question.

[Anonymous]

no. how can an infant have legal citizenship while the parent does not have legal citizenship? just because they were born on American soil? it just doesn't seem right to me. like, i get it, technically they were born in america. i know. but to get TO america, the parent did so ILLEGALLY (in that case). so, they are not legal.

[malarkey]

Fraud vitiates everything. If you enter the country illegally and have a baby, then their citizenship is voidable. The constitution is a contract between the states and the federal government, not between the federal government and the people of the entire world. If you have residency in a state and then have a baby on US soil they are a citizen. To establish residency in a US state you have to enter the country legally, secured a residence and filed a Declaration of Domicile, obtained a state identification (i. e. drivers licence), notified the social security administration of your change of address, and have some sort of purpose like gainful employment through a work visa, or be studying at an American university on a student visa.

While Chauncey M. Depew orated at dedication of the Statue of Liberty that "The rays from this beacon, lighting this gateway to the continent, will welcome the poor and the persecuted with the hope and promise of homes and citizenship." he continued that message by stating, " It will teach them that there is room and brotherhood for all who will support our institutions and aid in our development; but that those who come to disturb our peace and dethrone our laws are aliens and enemies forever."

By breaking our laws you are an alien and enemy forever. We have a lot of enemies, and the military has been tasked with focusing on defeating our enemies. You've been warned and you will be met with vengeance.

[malarkey]

*notify
*at the

[ɹǝʇʇɐɥpɐW]

Correction: According to the constitution, no, your citizenship is not voidable if your parents entered the nation illegally. The only requirement for citizenship is to be born in America. The citizens of the world are irrelevant. The citizens of the United States must adhere to the laws of the United States of America. And the law states that if they are born in America, they are American.

The law does not state that you must be a resident of any state, either. For example, you can be born on a US military base in Japan and be an American citizen. That's how my dad and uncle were born. As citizens.

In order for fraud to be a valid term to apply, the baby must be born in another country and pretend they were born in America. If the baby actually was born in America, its territories, or any soil that America has claimed, there is no fraud, as they meet the entire requirement of citizenship.

[malarkey]

@ɹǝʇʇɐɥpɐW Another left wing bullshit peddler with an uncreative user name and a lack of IQ what a surprise. What do they clone you dumbasses in a factory? The law specifically speaks to the jurisdiction of the state in which you reside. That's is your legal residency in a state. The constitution is a contract between the states and the federal government, not between the federal government and the entire world. If you are not a resident of a state, then the constitution does not apply to you. This is why the constitution does not apply to American territories like Puerto Rico, why Washing DC has a different standard of law than the states, why the constitution did not apply to slaves during that era, and why illegals can be held in cages like animals rather than receive a speedy trial like citizens. None of them are legal residents of a state, thus they are not part of the agreement (contract) on the rules of the society agreed upon between the states. You have to be a legal resident of a state to benefit from the constitution. I don't think there is even one left winger that even knows how to read.

[malarkey]

If you and I were to form a contract for the sale/purchase of a car, all the people of the world would not be party to that contract. You and I would be the only parties because we signed it. Only those states who ratified/adopted the constitution are party to the compact between the states. Everyone else in the world are under a different jurisdiction of law and do not benefit from the constitution unless they are a legal resident of one of the United States.

[malarkey]

That is why it is called the Constitution of the United States not the Constitution of the United World.

[WhiteSteve]

It’s in the Constitution. If we can’t fix gun laws to be relevant and considerate of modern times, then y’all can’t do it for immigration. You don’t just get to pick and choose where you adhere to the Constitution based on whether it benefits you or not. Weird you guys don’t have this kind of passion when children get shot up.

[dustybiker2]

Agreed

[Dargil]

Read the federalist Papers for intent on this and A2.

[abc3643]

Yes. It says so in Section 1 of the 14th Amendment.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[sawno]

'AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof" the argument is that the parents / child are not subject to the jurisdiction due to being non citizens. They don't have to pay taxes for example.

Is it a valid argument? We won't have to debate that one the courts will decide.

[abc3643]

@sawno It already was discussed in court. More than once, this has gone to the SCOTUS.

The key here is for people like diplomats.
For example, ...
Suppose a French diplomat works for at the United Nations and/or French Embassy in Manhattan.
His French wife gives birth in a hospital in Manhattan.
Is the newborn child American?
No, because the baby's parents are French and have "diplomatic immunity" and are not "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" the US.
Other than those with some form of diplomatic immunity such as anyone who is working here in a governmental capacity for a foreign government (such as Canadian soldiers in the US), everyone is subject to the jurisdiction of the US.

If your "subject to the jurisdiction", that means you can be charged with a crime or otherwise must follow the law of that jurisdiction whereever that jurisdiction is.

This may help with that children of diplomats issue. It helps emphasize what "subject to the jurisdiction" is.
www.uscis.gov/.../volume-7-part-o-chapter-3

Now, let's think about what Trump wants to do... Suppose Juan and Maria Leon are an illegal immigrants from Honduras. They give birth to Augustino. Under the 14th Amendment as the courts have interpreted it, Auggie is a US citizen; an "anchor baby" to use the pejorative. Trump wants to reinterpret the 14th Amendment so that Auggie is not a citizen since he is not "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" ... the US. So, in other words, Auggie isn't subject to the laws of the US. He can go about and rape and maim and kill to his heart's content because he's not subject to US jurisdiction. Now, of course, that's not going to fly... Auggie IS subject to US jurisdiction and can't commit those crimes; he'll be charged BECAUSE he doesn't have immunity from US jurisdiction. So, 1) being born in the US and 2) being subject to US jurisdiction at the time of his birth, that makes him a citizen under the 14th Amendment.

[abc3643]

This may help:
1898 Supreme Court case
United States v. Wong Kim Ark
169 U. S. 649 (1898)
constitutioncenter.org/.../united-states-v-wong-kim-ark-1898

[douglas_1170]

Forcing someone to become a citizen against their will is kind of like forcing someone to have a baby after they've been raped. Can you imagine if my mother had been on a trip to England and I came out early? Then I'd be a prudish tea-drinking, snaggle toothed snob instead of the classy American I am today.

[beefcakebradybatson]

How classy ARE you, douglas_1170 ? If you voted for Trump, you showed your a**, not your class !!! (Though most British broads ARE ugly !!!)

[douglas_1170]

@beefcakebradybatson I don't vote, but I was glad he was elected instead of that cackling hyena.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Typical British racist.(You know that 14% of U. K. BAME [Black and Minority Ethnic] Brits may leave due to British bigotry?)

[lowkanymous]

forcing them against their will? they don't have to do anything just because they have citizenship. they aren't forced to act a certain way, they literally js have the title of a citizen.

[douglas_1170]

@lowkanymous Picture this:

You're at a fancy cocktail party, and a fellow British citizen asks, "So, what have you done for the monarchy lately?" You can't exactly reply, "Nothin' dude, I'm just living the American dream, eating McDonald's like every night."

No, they would force you to shit like:

"Ah, my good fellow, it doth seem that I've found myself in a rather peculiar pickle across the pond, surrounded by those delightfully dumb Americans infiltrating the very corporations we hold dear. Such a spectacle, I must say! They're so utterly ballyhooed that they haven't the foggiest notion I've been taking liberties with their hard-earned shillings and making myself quite at home in their abodes, wouldn't you know?"

[NoDecision]

@beefcakebradybatson Can it beefcake. No need for name calling on my watch. We are civilized on this site, right? 🤔😅😂 And how do you know about British girls? Do you have any girl at the time?

[RavVid]

I believe Israel does that or used to. Go for a too long holiday and you are in the army cause you automatically became a citizen. A Jewish person told me he had to leave after a fairly short time. Can't remember the period.

[NoDecision]

@RavVid There are other countries, like Norway and Denmark where you have to serve in the military and even take your weapon home for fast action in an emergency. I believe Israel is the same way.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Dude, I've seen LOTS of photos of your birds and even met a few. Wanting looks in most cases.

[abc3643]

@douglas_1170 Are your parents not American citizens? If either of them is, you'd be an American citizen no matter where you were born... including Mars!

[MisterWack]

Those children are human, human beings’ descendants are the children of God, what those parents did is criminal though those children were born here therefore are American people naturally born here under a nation under God which certain rights & freedoms as specified under US Constitution.

This isn’t a cow breaking into “your” fence, it is an American citizen born in the confines of this beautiful country of possibilities, freedoms, and founding principles you cannot possibly make such an inhumane comparison seeing human beings as nothing more than cattle in your eyes. That says a lot about you rather than this nation.

[MisterWack]

*I would like to add that those that made the founding document came across the sea to even start this beautiful country in the first place so clearly their mindsets were as follows, those that come here are American & especially those born within the borders. We always had natural born citizenship because we are a nation of immigrants.

[AviatorTom]

No. And those who say it's in the Constitution haven't read it. First off, the original Constitution says nothing about citizenship. It took 80 years before the 14th amendment was the first mention of citizenship, and it clearly defines a restriction that not everyone born in the US is a citizen, highlighted below

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens..."

Clearly, an illegal immigrant is not subject to the jurisdiction of the US.

[overlord337645]

honestly i would say yes and here is why just because my childs mother is totally inconsiderate of me when giveing birth does not mean i should have no home and potentially no future cause lets say im illegal by birth but born in the us what they gonna do ship me to greenland?

[CuriousKevin_]

In your analogy the cow has a horrible life and is choosing to be your cow. It wants its child to be your calf.
And in your analogy you have the power to let the cow stay and have a happy and productive life.
The cow would do the labourers jobs around you yard and only want your protection.

[andreasderjuengere]

How about a class system for U. S. citizens:

Suggestion:

1st class - privileged, rich, powerful

2nd class - supporting minions

3rd class - the Unwanted, but Necessary

4th class - the Unwanted and Useless

5th class - Apprentices and on approbation

...

as there is a newcomer from South Africa now, he could contribute some additional apartheid details to round up the idea.

[Dargil]

John McCain was born to American parents in Panama. He was considered a citizen when he ran for president. The point is political, not regional jurisdiction. Chester A. Arthur and Andrew Jackson were born outside the USA.

She and her baby under the jurisdiction of the place she came from.

SCOTUS will decide that way.

[verknallt]

No.

Being an American is not just a piece of paper, but it's an ideology, patriotism, commitment and loyalty to your country.

You don't get any of these by birth, you earn them throughout your life.

This applies to all countries, not just the US.

[Caroline91]

Wellll... I really don't want to shock any of you all who know me here and consider me a flaming liberal... But... No, I don't think so. So now all we need is a little amendment to the Constitution, I guess.

[goaded]

If they could just discuss it without one side claiming immigrants are all diseased rapists and murders, that would be nice!

[Caroline91]

@goaded it certainly would. Coming from California, I have had many undocumented immigrant friends in my life and I still do not think people here illegally should gain citizenship for their children just by virtue of giving birth to them here.

[goaded]

That's not unreasonable, things have changed over the last 150 years. What's missing is the ability to sit down and rationally discuss it.

[Caroline91]

@goaded I agree. We have lost the art of Civil Debate, which was just as much a founding principle of this country as anything else.

[Surely]

What happens if the child is born in International territory. Do they get to choose or are they children of the world?
I remember reading about countries that specialized in vacation planning for about to deliver women. They just happened to be in their country of choice when the child was born.
If both parents are here illegally. Then the child is also here illegally!

[KrakenAttackin]

There should be a phased citizenship program. Perhaps letting these kids be residents until age 21, whereupon they can apply for full citizenship. Receiving citizenship would be contingent on their learning English, being literate, having a skill or working towards one, little/no criminal record.

[Twalli]

We made birthright citizenship a thing, I don't like it. I had to pass a test that was more extensive than a citizenship test to graduate high school. So, change that and put the citizenship on hold for EVERYONE who hasn't passed a citizenship test or equivalent by 18. If you're under 18 you can stay here as long as you are still in school.

[slatyb]

The 14th Amendment clearly says that anyone born in the United States is a citizen. It would take a constitutional amendment to change that.

[NoDecision]

@slatyb So you can have 1,000, pregnant by Cartel members, illegals coming over the border and each has triplets. That makes 3,000 more possible gang members we don't need and 3,000 more. Like father, like son sort of thing. 3,000 more people sponging off the taxpayers. You should have to have one of the two responsible for the pregnancy to be an American citizen in order for the offspring to become a citizen.

[slatyb]

Citizens commit more crimes per capita than immigrants.

[slatyb]

So work to enact a new amendment.

[NoDecision]

That is why they should not be made citizens, it skews the statistics.

[malarkey]

100% of illegal immigrants commit crime. Nobody has an issue with legal immigrants being here.

[NoDecision]

@malarkey I don't believe "all" do. Some actually work for a living. Others, not so much work as illegal activity.

[onedarkcloud]

The 14th Amendment was enacted after the Civil War to give slaves only citizenship. They were never considered citizens; they were just owned property. The amendment was not written to encompass anyone born of foreign parents on our soil is automatically a citizen. READ THE CONSTITUTION, you can learn a lot about our country

[onedarkcloud]

It does not say that read the Constitution if you can read cursive

[onedarkcloud]

YEAH, That is why illegals commit 75% of the crimes in NYC. Reported by CNN , MSNBC about two weeks ago

[goaded]

@onedarkcloud No, that was a made up number. "the NYPD says it is barred from tracking the immigration status of offenders", so how would they know?

"“I would say about 75% of the arrests in Midtown Manhattan are migrants, mostly for robberies, assaults, domestic incidents and selling counterfeit items,” a Midtown officer said. ""

"I would say" is not evidence.

"The reduction in overall crime in New York City continued for a seventh straight month in July 2024, with a decrease of 4.2 percent (11,022 vs. 11,505) compared to July 2023, as major crime in the nation’s largest subway system plummeted to its lowest level in 15 years, absent the pandemic-era aberrations. July marked the sixth consecutive monthly crime drop for the transit network, with a 19.7 percent decrease (147 vs. 183) from the previous July, and a 7.7 percent drop (1,203 vs. 1,304) year to date. Crime in the city’s public housing developments also logged 83 fewer incidents in July (512 vs. 595), a 13.9 percent reduction from July 2023, and 163 fewer incidents year to date in 2024 (3,485 vs. 3,648), compared to the same span a year ago." www.nyc.gov/.../nypd-july-2024-citywide-crime-statistics

[malarkey]

@NoDecision By entering the country illegally, you automatically commit a felony and are a fugitive technically. Thus 100% of illegal aliens commit crime.

[onedarkcloud]

@goaded You have forgotten that NYC practices catch and release. Now it has gotten so bad they do not even bother to catch anymore. If the murder is not being videoed by fifteen cameras it is overlooked. Remember figures do not lie but you can make them lie. Just look where you are getting your numbers from. If you believe those numbers I have a couple of bridges for sale cheap!

[goaded]

@onedarkcloud "When crime rose during the COVID-19 pandemic, some pundits and politicians jumped to a convenient scapegoat: criminal justice reform. They were wrong then, and they’re wrong now. No evidence exists to support a link between crime and reforms that seek to make our system fairer and more effective." www.brennancenter.org/.../criminal-justice-reforms-arent-driving-rising-crime

[exitseven]

No, the 14th amendment was not designed as a way to game the system

[goaded]

Following the law is not "gaming the system". Propose an amendment to repeal that part of the constitution and pass it.

[exitseven]

@goaded It was intended to provide a way for slaves and their children to become citizens. The statesmen that wrote this never intended it as a way for an illegal alien from a foreign country to come here and drop an anchor baby and get welfare in perpetuity.

[goaded]

A couple of years later a law was passed encouraging immigration. They wanted immigrants.

[sawno]

No it makes no sense and doesn't work that way in other countries either. The child should inherent the parents nationality not based on location.

[AManOnTheWeb]

Under this logic, everyone who isn't 100% Native American would be illegal. And ironically many of the "illegals" are descendants of native tribes.

[Anonymous]

well, nope. It's also not allowed in any other country. And for the lefties out there, TRUMP was a citizen when Baron was born. If you have one parent a citizen, I feel like that should qualify you for citizenship. But not if you're a skanky ass ho paying people to sneak you across the border as you pop out a baby on American soil, with neither parent being a legal citizen of this country, just so you can steal from American citizens. It's not complicated.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Melania WAS a skanky ho, but she's FAR TOO OLD to sell her p***y !!!

[avery58]

Birthright citizenship is a thing in most of North and South America and I think two countries in Africa. I don't know where people get that it only happens in the US from

[goaded]

"At present, 33 countries in the world (and two territories) have unrestricted birthright citizenship, also known as jus soli, and another 32 nations have some form of restricted birthright citizenship"
worldpopulationreview.com/.../countries-with-birthright-citizenship

[dustybiker2]

By being born in the US makes them citizens by birth right. It's law. If trumpets say otherwise they are lying.

[dustybiker2]

What "some" people don't seem to realize is that most everyone in america migrated here. So you are mostly all citizens by birth right.

[Avicenna]

Of course not. In most countries, even if the parents are there legally but not citizens would a newborn be a citizen, let alone there illegally.

[Avicenna]

* even if the parents were there legally but not citizens a newborn would NOT be a citizen

[Avicenna]

At least one parent, not necessarily both

[Anonymous]

No because they are not subjects of our jurisdiction.
They owe no allegiance to the place they invaded, instead they owe their allegiance to forign nations from which they came where their family is from.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

No. At least one parent should be a citizen in order for the child that have birthright citizenship.

[Paige90]

I agree totally. The person at the top of this list has been watching too much MSNBC and The View as her comment was not the same comparison as both parents being illegals and neither had applied for citizenship. In the case of Barron Trump, Donald Trump was a citizen and Melania became a citizen three months after he was born.

[UrsulaY]

You mean change current and old laws. It is already solidified in the Constitution...

Didn't republicans screams once project democrats suspected want to change their precious gun laws in the same manuscript?

Pot. Kettle.

[Berethor]

Anchor babies, there should be an stop to that, Donald Trump should stop that.

[goaded]

This Donald Trump?

"Wealthy Russians are flocking to give birth at Trump’s luxury US resorts so their kids can have dual-citizenship"

"Russian birth tourism companies are offering Trump apartments as part of packages costing £57,000 ($75,000) plus, as well as medical care, the Daily Beast found. "
www.thedailybeast.com/.../

[Anonymous]

Baron was born before Melania became a citizen. We can start by deporting him back to Slovenia.

[NoDecision]

He's too entitled for that. 😆

[DrPepper12]

Study this. Come back to discuss which fallacies you violated. Then we'll talk.

[abc3643]

That's a very good cheat sheet.

[DrPepper12]

@abc3643 used it in class ALL THE TIME

[beefcakebradybatson]

Yep, and unless you haven't noticed, people aren't cows, though some fat broads...

[IWILLPLEASEYOU]

Congratulations for the stupidity award, just wondering if you are alive because your daddy got your favorite mther knocked up, say in France during that war should u be able to get a job at McDonald's for just because you are a small French fry

[Miristheiss]

No.

Other countries do not have dumb policies like that.

[douride2]

Just because you were born here the child of an illegal shouldn't make you an automatic citizen.

[Anonymous]

• Yes. It's in the constitution. You want to open the can of worms to start repealing rights?

[goaded]

It's in the constitution. Why don't you respect the constitution?

[onedarkcloud]

Most people can not read the Constitution because it is written in cursive, not taught in schools at least in New York State

[goaded]

@onedarkcloud People have transcribed it from time to time! It's all on Wikipedia as well as, I suspect, every traditional encyclopedia.

[goaded]

It used to be on the whitehouse website as well, but Trump removed it.

Now, there are just lies about it: www.whitehouse.gov/.../

[Anonymous]

America belongs to the natives, untill Europians took it by force, and brought in slaves from Africa.
Now they are complaining of a fraction of their own medicine!


We are all citizens of Earth!

[Tomisworthless]

No, and if libs have an issue with it then we will simply ratify the 14th so that it specifies and leaves no ambiguity open to manipulation

[goaded]

You mean amend. It was ratified over 150 years ago. It's also unambiguous and not being manipulated.

[Tomisworthless]

@goaded Well im a idiot so

[msc545]

no, just a citizen. If this occurred in the US. You know like the Constitution says. I really don't give a damn what Trump or MAGA says about this.

[michael1469]

Per the constitution, yesre-state//background_color_rgba (0, 0, 0, 0), font_color_rgb (77, 77, 77), justifyLeft

[Anonymous]

the 14th amendment was written for freed slaves, not for illegals and invaders

[Cubus]

Should? I believe not, it's a dangerous loophole.

[abc3643]

1. How is it a loophole?
2. How is it dangerous? Especially given that it's been the law of the land since 1868 and many other nations also have birthright citizenship?

[Cubus]

@abc3643 In 1868 you didn't have a skyrocketting immigration like today.

[abc3643]

From a legal perspective, that's irrelevant.

Where's the "loophole"?

[Cubus]

@abc3643 It is the loophole as its something the guy writing that law 150 years ago didn't predict would happen.

[abc3643]

That's not a loophole. From your perspective, that is something that was unanticipated. Except it was anticipated going all the way back to before the 14th Amendment, such as the Civil Rights Act of 1866.

[Cubus]

@abc3643 One does not contradict the other one.

[abc3643]

There is no loophole.

From Google Gemini:

A loophole is an ambiguity or a gap in a rule or law that allows someone to avoid its intended consequences.

Here's a breakdown:

Ambiguity: The rule or law might be unclear or have multiple interpretations, allowing people to find ways to comply with the letter of the law while still achieving a result that goes against the spirit of the rule.
Gaps: There might be unintended exceptions or situations not explicitly covered by the rule, creating openings for exploitation.

=======
Here, there are just what you believe are unintended consequences.

I'm done with this logic exercize. However, yes, the law should be updated to deal with immigration. That said, the 14th Amendment was written to affect everyone in the United States and, especially, the millions of N******* and other non-Whites in this country at the time of its adoption.

[abc3643]

Hey, G@G!

N e g r o e s as in N_e_g_r_o_e_s

is not a f*cking obscene word!

[Anonymous]

Hilarious question. Liberals never mentioned the constitution when Biden was breaking it.

[Opinion Owner]

@abc3643

If he was, you'd still love his brilliance.

[Opinion Owner]

@abc3643

He committed felonies and wasn't prosecuted for them.

[Opinion Owner]

@abc3643

Watch your mouth, asshole. Robert Hur/ Jim Jordan. Google the video if you know how.

[Opinion Owner]

@abc3643

You can't handle the truth.

[Anonymous]

In the 1800’s the slaves had children and were not citizens

[NoDecision]

And the parents were not treated like citizens either, more like possessions. 😕

[Opinion Owner]

The parents were possessions

[abc3643]

"In the 1800’s the slaves had children and were not citizens".

They became citizens if they were still alive when the 14th Amendment was enacted in 1868.

[Opinion Owner]

@abc3643 I know, before that they were just property owned by white peoples

[Tomisworthless]

Just a babies are seen as fetus' or zygotes to dehumanize their life allowing for a clear conscience when performing the execution as the baby grips to the inner placenta trying to escape like a runaway slave

[NoDecision]

@Tomisworthless That is totally barbaric and sad. But I don't know what kind of abortion isn't. Like the now outlawed "partial birth abortion" where they stick a tube in the baby's head and suck the brains out. 🤧

[onedarkcloud]

Just a note BLACKS ALSO OWNED SLAVES!

[Opinion Owner]

@onedarkcloud DM me

[Opinion Owner]

I just sent you a follow request

[chrissykerdock]

only if they can support themsekves

[abc3643]

What about citizens who can't support themselves? What's the difference economically to taxpayers?

[chrissykerdock]

@abc3643 they're not and they're illegals which is against the law

[abc3643]

You didn't answer my questions.

[chrissykerdock]

@abc3643 illegals is the keyword

[abc3643]

You didn't answer my questions.

[chrissykerdock]

@abc3643 your question is voided because of your ignorance

[abc3643]

1. My questionS... plural... are not irrelevant nor "voided". (I assume you mean logically invalid or moot.)
2. Please feel free to study logic. It will help when having discussions or arguments. Here is a free copy of the 14th Edition of the classic textbook "Introduction to Logic" by Irving M. Copi, et al.
www.pdfdrive.com/...ction-to-logic-e158128034.html

Look, I am giving you the opportunity to teach me. Avail yourself of it. Don't try and prove me wrong because I haven't made an assertion. I am trying to make sure I understand what you are saying and it's logical implications. My two questions are associated with those implications if I understand you correctly - which I am not sure that I do.

[chrissykerdock]

@abc3643 if illegal is against the law why bring up us citizens

[abc3643]

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Can you please elaborate?

[chrissykerdock]

@abc3643 re-read it

[Anonymous]

Yes because the constitution said so. Besides all Americans are illegal immigrants anyways.

[Anonymous]

Comparing a Cow to a human is wrong.

I proved you wrong

[Anonymous]

They're anchor babies! They're not American. Deport them with their parents.

[purplepoppy]

Surely the solution is compulsory abortion.

[Tomisworthless]

nah theyre immigrants their babies we want

[onedarkcloud]

NO! Not for any reason.

[LunarEclipse433]

No, they should only be here legally

[HungTexan]

No. Just being here doesn’t count..

[goaded]

Why don't you respect the constitution?

[NatalieKeller95]

sure through gladiatorial combat only

[CallmeTheKnight]

That is definitely not an easy conversation

[AgentG111]

Absolutely Not!

[GlowUpGirly5]

No get them out of here with their parents

[Sabretooth]

What color are they?

[Pterodon]

Nope

[Anonymous]

Yes, they should.