Why does MAGA hate California?

[msc545]

I mean - other than the fact that we are too smart to vote for their cult leader.

[WhiteSteve]

That’s pretty much it.

Anything they feel threatened by, they go out of their way to drag it/them through the mud. Like Gavin Newsom scares the shit out of them. It’s not even that he’s done everything right in his political career, it’s just that he looks and acts the part. Tall, good looking guy, great hair, good communicator. He’s telegenic and charismatic, and they HATE that…

Absolutely PUNKED OUT by body language

AOC is another. She’s young, she’s good-looking, she’s a fiery speaker. That also scares the shit out of them. We might have to start talking about Jasmine Crockett the same way, she’s built for TikTok soundbytes. I predict we’ll hear an increase in hate towards her.

Bottom line is that MAGA is more about branding and optics. Like if they told you what they REALLY were going to do, most people would be like “wait, what? Fuck no!”, but they’ve mastered messaging to idiots, and now a bunch of broke motherfuckers think they’re about to be lifted out of economic hardship by a bunch of billionaires who have absolutely no designs on allowing that. Like I REALLY think these MAGA voters think they’re about to see some kind of economic turnaround, because again, due to nefarious but effective messaging, we have tens of millions of apparently morons who have been hustled into believing that Joe Biden could’ve somehow made our prices lower, and just didn’t want to or couldn’t figure it out, or something, which is just…. WOW🤦‍♂️😂

Before we even get into good or bad politicians, we just simply are saddled with a population of people who just don’t understand “the way things work,” and that’s frightening, in a democracy. Above all else, American citizens have a stupidity and ignorance problem, combined with being wildly overconfident that they AREN’T. We’re ripe for the picking to bad actors as long as that’s the case.

But yeah, when you hear Trump & company say “The Radical Left”, that’s purely out of fear.

[msc545]

Steve, Gavin is about to be term-limited sadly. Maybe you should consider running for Governor? I am only half-kidding here...

[WhiteSteve]

Hahaha, I appreciate the vote of confidence😝 I’m unfortunately better on power than in person. And nowhere near diplomatic enough. When Brett Baier asked Kamala Harris if she thought Americans were stupid for considering Trump, she was like “NO, I would NEVER say that!”

I would. Holy fuck, I WOULD😂 My campaign couldn’t win, I can’t articulate any of this without pointing how monumentally stupid you’d need to be to follow this guy, or how morally bankrupt you are to even consider him as a potential candidate. Like this is legitimately the dumbest shit I have ever seen in 45 years of living. I don’t consider myself a genius or anything like that, but I still feel like being whatever level on intelligence I have is a curse. Just ASTONISHING stupidity and outright willful self-delusion that stops me dead in my tracks to a point where it’s tough to even engage in debating with them at length. I realize how arrogant this all sounds, but I mean…. its not even that I’m SO smart as much as they’re SO dumb, lmao. I just consider myself “smart enough to feel anchored by these people who I would’ve just assumed could function at my intellectual level”, because again, I’m not splitting atoms or splicing genomes over here. I just feel like I’m diving depth of the pool, but there’s way too much shallow end and barely any deep end.

It feels worse than it used to be too. But now like 20-30% of the conversations I’m in, the other person or people will just say or believe some shit that leaves me stunned and slack-jawed, just by way of being a resident of reality. It’s like I got to adulthood, and it’s like a kindergarten class, and I’m stuck with a huge ratio of people who pick their noses and eat paste🤦‍♂️

I can’t clean up that message, so I couldn’t be the guy😂

[WhiteSteve]

* better on paper than in person

My iPhones get progressively worse in their autocorrect lmao

[WhiteSteve]

I guess I’m thinking more like a Presidential candidate running against Trump than Gov of CA. Hopefully fewer people to have to talk down to, lmao. I could never compete with Newsom’s hair though. Mine’s still all there, but it’s out of control. Newsom looks like he’s out of Central Casting, haha

[msc545]

Thank you for the comprehensive reply. I guess we are going to have to scrap our campaign plans for you after all. My sympathies. Many residents in California will be deprived of a very good next Governor. In all seriousness, I don't think the metric is smart versus dumb at all or at least not in a principal fashion. I think the metric has to do with how much cognitive dissonance people can tolerate. Am I thinking about this? Is that people that people who originally voted for Trump are now beginning to realize or are threatened with realizing what a great mistake they made and in order to avoid the pain of cognitive dissonance, they simply double down on their original erroneous beliefs. I don't think this is a conscious phenomenon at all and I think it occurs in many people. With them having little or no sense of what is going on. We need to avoid the pain of cognitive dissonance also explains why many people even when they are clearly wrong. Absolutely refuse to apologize or change their position on whatever they were wrong about in the first place. I have personally experienced one episode of cognitive dissonance that I'm aware of and it was extremely uncomfortable and actually nearly painful. It also taught me something that I really needed to know about myself and about the issue that the dissonance was related to. I happen to notice some very intelligent people that are quite insightful and well educated and well spoken that are Trump followers and strident ones that. I used to find that inexplicable but my thoughts about them ultimately gave rise to my nascent cognitive dissonance causation hypothesis which is by no means meant to mean that I believe it is the final word on the issue, but at least it is some interim of thinking that you might find of interest. Thanks for your posts in general and your posts here on my question.

[msc545]

Please excuse my choppy grammar in the above response. I habitually use speech to text when dictating into my phone because I hate trying to type on the tiny keyboard. The results are not always optimal. If anything in my post is really unclear, please let me know. Thanks.

[blackeagle007]

Not from California nor a mega supporter. Gavin has failed the state though. Gary Davis another one that flunk. Just bad luck California has. It dosent make a difference on politics. Politics is the excuse people use when something goes wrong. Sick of hearing it

[blackeagle007]

Gray oops

[WhiteSteve]

Yeah, that all makes a ton of sense. I think I’m just so exasperated after all these years of not being able to get through to them on appeals to reason or morality that I’ve finally gone into the mud with them and I’m down to “you’re dumb”, lmao. And cognitive dissonance is that brick wall I keep running into.

But I think when I say “dumb”, I’m more talking about inability to see through the misinformation and the overall MAGA hustle. These folks just haven’t listened to “polite” for the last decade, I’m trying a different approach this time. Their understood language is mockery.

Thanks for the kind words and for reading. It takes me more than a couple minutes to churn out these things, so I definitely appreciate that at least one person is reading them😂🙏

[lightbulb27]

Biased by my parents whom moved there and hated it. I didn't exist then.

I visited and is beautiful place, the food was fresh and california produces a lot of it. I'm thankful for that. San fran was lovely and lots of smart people.

But terribly crowded and lot of of the people were "moon bats"... just different. Not my type. I did meet some inspiring spiritual people, but seems the minority. I heard from people in san fran it is terrible now... so I don't like hearing that. I didn't like the character of some people I met.

Los Angeles was lovely in Orange and a crowded dump in hollywood.

San Diego was just insane levels of traffic and people. Hear of "trains"?

My mom said it was going to fall into the ocean some day...

I appreciate they value their giant trees.

I have no interest in living there.

[Booboolove69]

It’s a lot different now than when I grew up there

[lightbulb27]

@Booboolove69 Yes, and to think our media ethics come from hollywood. It's a reason I turned it all off, turned off the TV and cancelled cable, don't do netflix. Mind 'programming' used to be much better quality. Better off visiting their state parks and leaving.

[Booboolove69]

Yes, exactly right the media does suck and I’m listening to news all the way in Florida about California and I’m terribly misinformed

[Amy10223]

I'm not sure that MAGA hates California, but they sure don't like ANY blue state. California is said (you must know this) to have the best economy of ALL the states in the US, and their economy makes it possible to send money to those poorer states to help them, and that is, the Red states. So it's ironic that those states that depend on CA for help with their own economy--dont appreciate them.

When Trump was criticizing Gavin Newsome for "not taking care of CA's wildfires like he should", and spreading misinformation about him and CA, Newsome called him to on it, and told Trump to say this to his face. Newsome tried to meet with him himself--and Trump walked away or didn't show up. Incidentally, here is the truth about CA and the wildfires, so people are not mislead.

https://gavinnewsom.com/california-fire-facts/

[dustybiker2]

Briefly.. Because it runs smoothly. If there are potholes you report them and by morning they are fixed. Bridges are inspected regularly, on and on. California understands the need for community support. It doesn't hate. It's a workable melting pot. All the things that other states use to control their masses.
I've lived all over the states. Cali is like a different country.

[exitseven]

@dustybiker2 I thought you were from Canada?

[Booboolove69]

I was born and raised and Redondo Beach Los Angeles and yes, I will always love California but I don’t particularly care for Gavin Newson. I think it’s terrible what he did with the water shortage when the fires happened but I do absolutely love California. That’s where I’m from. they will always be my home.

[Caroline91]

@dustybiker2 Yes, it is. And as a native Californian whose family history there goes back to 1847, before the Gold Rush, I would love to see it become it's own country since we are so disliked by so many in the US. With the 5th largest economy in the world, we can stand on our own. But it will never happen. I wonder if the haters realize how much my state does for the Union? I love American but I hate the hate.

[msc545]

@Booboolove69 There was no water shortage. There was a lack of water pressure due to over demand due to too many fires all at once.

[exitseven]

@Caroline91 they may have the 5th largest economy but they so have the highest taxes and the largest deficit. Something is not right/

[Caroline91]

@exitseven That's true largely as a result of a severe revenue decline in 2022‑23. We will work our way out of it. I'm not saying it will be easy, but I have confidence we will. Also, we have a progressive income tax structure, so it isn't as bad as it sounds. But I will say it is very expensive to live there. However, if you know how, you can mitigate that in a lot of ways. And there are so many benefits to the California lifestyle that it is hard to beat, in my eyes. But we do need to be very careful about who we elect as Governor in 2026.

[exitseven]

@Caroline91 The state I live in is almost bankrupt and the only was to really balance the budget now is to raise the state income tax. The governor is raising the cigarette tax another dollar and tax candy and soft drinks but that will not bring in enough money. She wants to run for governor again and raising the income tax will be very unpopular.
When President Trump defunds the state because they are a sanctuary state it will be a total shit show,
Hopefully things will get so bad that my wife will agree to move to Florida.

[dustybiker2]

@FunkyMonkee It was water pressure due to everyone wanting water from ever single fire hydrant at the same time. Every city in the world would react the same. We are talking entire chunks of city aflame in 80-100 wind gusts. Trump showed a picture of a river which doesn't even flow south and didn't tell the facts about the rest either. Please research yourself and not take his word. I still have lots of family and friends in Cali.

@exitseven I have lived in a lot of places.

@Caroline91 Agreed

[Caroline91]

@FunkyMonkee That doesn’t make it true.

[msc545]

@exitseven why is that a problem for you? Our taxes are lower than those of NY and you are somehow not complaining about them, are you?

[Booboolove69]

Oh ok … I misunderstood then

[exitseven]

It has half the homeless population of the entire US. It is a cesspool of crime and corruption. Lawlessness went to California because Florida kicked it out. It has the highest taxes by far of any other state and also the largest deficit. It's not for nothing that people are leaving in droves. Even Hollywood people want to move the motion picture industry to Austin or Nashville.

[msc545]

Our state is doing fine. you are not, based on your delusions.

[Booboolove69]

California isn’t the same anymore. I grew up there and it’s just not the same anymore.

[exitseven]

@Booboolove69 TRuthfully, nothing is the same anymore.

[Caroline91]

@Booboolove69 That's true. It's not the same. So many of the rejects from other states have moved there and are ruining it for everyone. But true Californians are still pioneers and we value those things that made pioneers successful.

[Booboolove69]

When I did live there, California was great. I agree. I’m just listening to news from Florida about California so I misunderstood my bad.

[Booboolove69]

Let me ask you a question… do you like Gavin Newsom?

[msc545]

@Booboolove69 Yes, we like him. He has been an excellent governor.

[Booboolove69]

That’s great
I haven’t lived in California for 20 years cause I went into the military in the East Coast

[Booboolove69]

I never knew him

[msc545]

@Booboolove69 As politicians go, he is very good. Not perfect, but quite good and a refreshing change from the crazy Republican governors we previously had. Gavin is going to be termed out soon, and I will miss him.

[Booboolove69]

Oh ok well that’s good to hear
It sounds to me like he will be missed by many

[msc545]

@Booboolove69 He will indeed. He is a bit of an asshole, but he is OUR asshole. We would keep him if we could.

[Amy10223]

There are plenty of homeless and beggars here in Ohio where I am, at the highways, stores, and so on. LA may have lots of homeless, but they are everywhere; NY, Columbus, and Yes, in Florida.

[exitseven]

@Amy10223 They are all over the country. I see them every day. They live under a bridge and sell drugs. The cops are not allowed to be mean to them.

[NoDecision]

@exitseven I sadly have to agree with you. The crooks in Cali. do very well for themselves. How else can they live in $1million houses? I mean who can afford a $5,500 a month house payment working as a teacher?

[NoDecision]

Maybe where you live.

[slatyb]

Mostly they just hate the coastal cities. It's sour grapes. They can't afford to live there, they have the feeling that the coastal professionals look down on them, and they aren't comfortable in cities in general. So they just pretend that it's horrible instead of thinking "I wish I could live there".

[slatyb]

There are somewhere people and anywhere people. The coastal cities have a lot of professionals who are anywhere people. I am happy in Seattle, but I could be happy in San Francisco or LA or San Diego or New York or London or Sydney or Vancouver or Toronto or Denver.

[NoDecision]

You mean besides that Newsome is a complete crook and an idiot, and the cause of the state's downfall?

[msc545]

Another garbage post on my question. Very annoying.

[NoDecision]

Sorry you do not agree. You a Democrat I take it. If a Republican was doing the very same thing would you still say the same? Poor management by Mr. Newsome contributed to the California fires.

[msc545]

Do you live in California?

[NoDecision]

I do, so know a little bit of what I am talking about. It's common knowledge in the LA area. All the political power is in Southern California so they are in charge and they, along with the Governor, should take the heat when stuff goes wrong.

[msc545]

What city do you live in and how long have you lived in California?

[NoDecision]

Lived here all my life and born here. I live in the Disneyland area.

[msc545]

Ok, so Anaheim. What is your problem with Newsome? Most people here like him or at least have no problem with him. I like him!

[NoDecision]

He is running the state on a $35 Billion deficit. Perhaps he put it all into the illegal immigration pot? @msc545 Why are tons of businesses leaving California for other states? Too much retail crime perhaps? Why are people moving out faster then anyone, except illegals, moving in? Why are the homeless in California not getting any of that cash passed out to immigrants? When was the last time you were in that rotting and festering hole known as San Francisco? Why does California give free passes to any crooks who do not steal anything worth less than $950? Didn't Newsom build a new $9 million dollar mansion for himself? He is living on the high horse while the residents pay some of the highest, if not THE highest, taxes in the US? Why do people have to share a house with 2 other families in order to afford a small $1 million house?

[msc545]

You can save the gish gal attempts. Those aren't going to work with me. All you've done is regurgitated a bunch of MAGA positions without a shred of supporting evidence. Why don't you try linking some evidence that supports some of the things that you have said? I've heard them all before. They've all been repudiated repeatedly and yet people keep bringing them up over and over again. So provide some evidence or live with the fact at what you've said is not credible.

[NoDecision]

Don't you think that if you hear it so much that if might be true? OK, humor me. Why are you so in love with Gavin Newsome? You don't think that the fires were at least partly his fault?

[msc545]

I am not in love with him, but he does have more than a room temperature IQ which suggests a functioning brain. He did not have anything to do with starting the fires at all or causing them.

The fires were apparently mostly started by live power lines that came down in the high winds while they were still alive. Many were owned and poorly maintained by Southern California Edison, a frequent offender in that they often do not maintain their lives properly - too interested in profits. There was no "shortage" of water; rather there was a shortage of water pressure due to overdemand as a result of too many fires at the same time. Water pressure is maintained by gravity feed towers - a very common solution - and when they are empty it tasks awhile to refill them.

Newsom did not have a single fucking thing to do with the fires. Stop repeating MAGA propaganda, please. It is odious and false.

[msc545]

@NoDecision No:

An "appeal to the mob" fallacy, also known as "argumentum ad populum" or "bandwagon fallacy," is a logical fallacy where someone tries to convince others that something is true simply because a large number of people believe it, essentially arguing that "everyone is doing it, so you should too," regardless of the actual evidence or merit of the claim; it relies on the idea of joining the majority opinion to be considered correct, even if it's not based on sound reasoning.

[purplepoppy]

Maga hates everything, I can't name anything they stand for apart from hating different things.

[exitseven]

@purplepoppy How about Law and Order, low taxes, low energy prices, secure borders, right to bear arms, pro-life, no men in women's sports, smaller government and last but not least, The United States Constitution

[SmokinAces2000]

@exitseven Trump goes against half of what you mentioned

[exitseven]

@SmokinAces2000 No, this is what the MAGA movement stands for.

[mattthefatbat]

Because California has a smart and qualified leader as their Governor known as Gavin Newsom. He follows the law and is sure that his residents know the truth.

[mattthefatbat]

I'm in arkansas, and of course, our elected officials believe in every word trump says to be true thanks to mrs. sarah huckabee sanders. Because they are simply spineless and misguided.

[Anonymous]

We don't but we take in many californian refugees.

[msc545]

Yes, a substantial number of the poorer people in California have been leaving. I don't think people really realize this, but the Central valley region of California, basically from Bakersfield all the way to the Oregon border is an area of extremely low income. A lot of agricultural work and a lot of Right wing Republicans who are Trump voters. This is probably the only area in California and perhaps the only area on the West Coast that is really regressive in where people are literally 20 or 30 years behind the times. Mostly. Uneducated and mostly very racist. So when people leave California it's usually these people. I can't stand civilization around them and move to places like Missouri or Alabama or Mississippi or Texas where they can be with their red friends. We don't mind when they leave.

[Opinion Owner]

Nope. From all over. Working and middle class people who can no longer afford to live in california because of low wages and high taxes, as well as the crime and homelessness.

[andreasderjuengere]

Mugger-heads hate by default.

But - hey - my impression about 'Democrats' is the same :D

Underlying issue perhaps... California once had been Mexican?

Heh heh

[Knightwatch27]

"I mean - other than the fact that we are too smart to vote for their cult leader."
Fat lot of good that did you lol.
On a serious note, I believe that sentence speaks for itself on why you are disliked.

[Sevenpointfive]

just

eat

watermelons

sir

[AnonAndrew]

Maybe he thinks Californians all ask poor quality questions like this?

[Dargil]

We don't. You shouldn't hate deranged people. Its not politically correct.

[Anonymous]

We don't hate califorina, we dislike California's goverment

[msc545]

Funny, we like our government here in CA, but dislike your national govt. go figure..

[Opinion Owner]

@msc545
Judging by how many people are fleeing your repressive goverment that says a lot about you.

[msc545]

Nobody is fleeing. That is a MAGA myth.

[Opinion Owner]

@msc545
Really fooled the census then:
www.thecentersquare.com/.../...5-5b732650e3d4.html

[Caroline91]

@msc545 We just plain like our state…so take that! And that…and that!! Lol

[Booboolove69]

That’s what I’m saying. It probably is a MAGA myth

[msc545]

Uh-huh. How many people have moved here?

[msc545]

ah - MAGA is silent in the face of THAT question. imagine that.

[Opinion Owner]

@msc545 I don't exist to answer your questions. In fact I took a long break from GAG.

California has imported 361,057 foreigners to offset the 239,575 Americans who have left.
It is right there in the 2nd line easy to find.

As you can see people who actually know what califorina is compared to other states are leaving. Only ignorant foreigners are being imported to take their place. A large share of whom are companies commuting H1B fraud to undercut American wages and illegal aliens who are generally doing the same with low skilled American labor and skilled mechanize labor. But are regardless too poor to pay Califorinas taxes or be made to follow the law regardless.

I am impressed how many foreigners all but think Americans live in mentions as Hollywood sells them.

[msc545]

You keep making extraordinary claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof which you never provide because you can't. Because it doesn't exist. So how do you expect me to react to that with compliance? I don't think so.

[Opinion Owner]

"Extraordinary" claims do not require extraordinary proof @msc545
Just simple numbers which tell the story. That said I don't think the claim is at all extraordinary or hard to believe. Undesirable states lose people all the time, although often it isn't even the fraught of the goverment but rather the environment.

[msc545]

So if you think it's so easy to do prove it. I know you people hate being asked for proof and take it as offensive and insulting, but in this particular case you've made wild claims. Once again you have absolutely no support for them. Just a lot of outraged verbiage. That is not persuasive.

[Opinion Owner]

@msc545
If the Link referencing census data and trends not trustworthy enough for you im not sure what would be.

perhaps you would like official goverment sights?

[msc545]

Why aren't you reporting the number of people who have moved into California or does that somehow not count?

[msc545]

If you were to report that it would contradict your main thesis, which is that California is a bad place. Keep thinking that and enjoy sitting in your shithole red State.

[msc545]

You refer to people who come to live in California as "ignorant foreigners" as if they're present somehow doesn't count and as if they didn't pay taxes and didn't work here and live here and have children here and do all the other things that we do here. You do this because you know that if you admit to the fact that they have come here to live here that contradicts your basic thesis that people are living leaving California because it's a terrible place. Did you think I wasn't going to notice that? Do you think that's really appropriate? I call it intellectual cowardice.

[blackeagle007]

California is an open minded state. Not like racist maga states

[Ariesman81]

The man turned your water back on!

Be grateful

[msc545]

He did not, but he did WASTE quite a bit of it.

[Ariesman81]

Farms and fish before fire hydrants... got it. California is a wasteland. Let it be reabsorbed.

[msc545]

I am sorry, but do you live in CA as I do?

[Ariesman81]

This is the dilemma of politics right? I live in MN where resources are plentiful. I'm sorry, but California has a problem, and that problem is scarcity of water. Your cities are overwhelmed and taxing your resources. I don't blame you. I'd be pissed too.

[msc545]

California, where I live, is just fine. You do not live here as I do and have for many years. You know nothing except what MAGA tells you, and what they tell you is basically bullshit.

[Anonymous]

Because by every metric, California is the worst state in the Union, and they drag the rest of the country down. California needs to be expelled from the United States

[Caroline91]

Yes, please?

[Dongie]

Seriously? Why does water hate oil? Why does Superman hate Luthor? Why does Batman hate the Joker? Why do Beatle fans hate Yoko?

[beefcakebradybatson]

Unlike Red goober States, California is mostly Democratic and won't bow down to Trump.

[oldpigg]

Obviously because it's a Democratic state.

[Pterodon]

Smart? Can’t even put out fires

[AngelofLite666]

Nobody who votes for anyone is smart.

[Booboolove69]

Gavin Newsom?

[Anonymous]

California Democrats are worth hating.

[ienjoylookingatgreen]

I think so

[Twalli]

That's all they need