I believe Europe should be given a state in the USA and in reverse the USA handed a big chunk of land in Europe. The land should be considered European/USA soil respectively and subject to the relevant laws and benefits.
Not only would this foster better relationships it would help businesses exporting because they'd just have to drive over the border and then the new area would be responsible for shipping overseas.
Now I know some people are against giving up land but there's tonnes not being used we wouldn't miss.
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If they want to be bound to a more impoverished and ageing economy on the other side of the Atlantic ocean. Sure.
Europe is poor and old and thus demographically only going to get even more poor.
Add to this the distance which adds as much as 14% to your product costs both ways either side will be at a competitive disadvantage.
That means if a European state were to join the American union, much of its population would take jobs in North American states while the remaining population would specialized in whatever area that state's particular geography or history is advantageously well suited too.
On net given the large disparity in income the the European state would likely see a 30% or more boost in GDP per capita.
This wold be particularly beneficial for the English speaking States like the UK who have a huge amount of cultural pull in North America and thus would be able to go to town on cultural and financial services which cost nothing to export.
For the North American state in the EU this would not be such a good deal, depending on what state it is, shipping costs could be even higher, and Europeans would not be able to generally afford American wages. So the states GDP per-capita would have to go down a lot to be competitive.
Information services which are free wold also be of limited value due to language and cultural barriers, so your really talking about eating the cost of exporting raw materials, if that state has said resources. Such would be unstable too as Russia would always be able to undercut the North American State dramatically dunning the times when trade relations are good.
Are you sure that people from other US states wouldn't come to work in the newly European state, so that they get a minimum of four weeks of paid vacation a year, universal health care, and employment protection?
Danes are currenty signing a petetion to acquire California as we speak
I know they're doing it to troll Trump, but this is such an epic fail, because California joining Denmark would be an UPGRADE for California.
Universal healthcare. Free education. Bicycle culture. 5 weeks paid vacation. They would probably improve infrastructure and deal with the crime and homeless problems. EU membership. No passports or ETA for all of Schengen.
I'm Californian and I wanna know where I can sign.
I mean, for the U. S. it would be a huge loss. There would go the nation's agricultural supply and Democrat votes, but for residents of California, joining Denmark would be a massive upgrade.
I thought California doesn’t have any water. Then with the total destruction because of the fires. Plus the problem politicians are from there. Could Denmark afford California?
@Pohjolan Given California is about 5 times the size of Denmark, it would really be California buying Denmark with Denmark's money.
Trade would be a problem thou as you have to ship to the opposite side of the world maybe paying upto 15-20% shipping cost both ways. California's trade relations would suck.
@monorprise California is actually 10 times larger than Denmark
I don't know how much Denmark produces, but California has enough resources to sustain itself. I think if it was a country it would be like the 5th largest economy in the world, and it's also one of the world's highest agricultural producers.
@monorprise The area of the Kingdom of Denmark is 850,000 square miles. California is 163,700 square miles. Denmark is about 5 times the size of California. At least you got the scale right. There's that.
@Dargil When it comes to the vote in parliamentary systems it's the people not the land that counts, which is generally true when it comes to money as well. Thus why i wasn't even thinking about land in that question.
Denmark with California would really be California running Denmark.
We can give then North Dakota. I'm not sure we need possible future enemies as next door neighbors though. Besides, China owns a lot of the US already. Half the apartments and shopping centers around here are owned by Chinese.
You seem to be very misinformed @lilBigPotato in regard to the nature of American politics and power.
Best not to listen to the drama queens in media, they are always wrong in hyperbolic ways. There is no such thing as 2nd class citizens in America because the political system lacks the tools to really enforce that.
The president doesn't really have the power to significantly effect individuals. the police don't answer to him or his goverment at all. What little he has that passes for police are soo tiny in number the can at best only terrorize people thou cherry picked cases that imply they have more men than they do.
At the moment Trump is actively undermine such domestic forces from the FBI to the IRS so they won't even be in a position to do that as much. Trump having personalty been a victim of the same is not a fan.
So realistically even if trump wanted he has no way to do what you suggest.
Or bring back the British empire and take US for our own. US would get better healthcare, less gun crimes, and rights for women will be upheld like abortion.
All the conservatives who disagree we can just ship them to Gaza that would be a better idea, that would also align with what Trump wants anyway.
@Kaneki05 What are you talking about, the United Kingdom is poor. The whole country for at least 20+ years has been competing with Alabama (a hot swamp) for poorest state.
As much as your propaganda likes to brag about your NHS, it really sucks. It delivers sub-par care late and a dollar short. Between its corrupting political distraction and bankrupting cost the NHS is quite likely more than anything else responsible for the decline of the British empire and civilization.
America's healthcare system thou expensive and corrupt by goverment mandate is the worlds top innovator dominating medical innovation. Contrary to propaganda 71% of Americans actually like their employer choose health insurance plan.
Regardless if the UK and the US were in a common market much of the UK's population would take jobs in America and those that remained would likely see around a 30% increase in their wages.
@monorprise It don't take up one moment to look where US is ranked in terms of Healthcare.
I'll just give you the link because I don't have much more to say with you other than your example of why we also rank higher in our education system who would've know... Oh yeah anyone who's bothered to look it up.
www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/ Notice how your ranked 69 while England is at 34 just in case you couldn't figure this out that's 35 in the difference meaning there is 35 countries even between us better than yours. And guess who wastes tons of Healthcare I'll give you a clue it's got stars on the flag.
If you go to leftest institution for ranking you get ranking that reflect their particular values and judgement which of course iqnore reality. In the real world people from both the UK and Canada frequently have to come to these united States for care. In the real world these united states are driving medical innovation
Which is why their ratings are nonsense. Just like the man on the street being judged a better worker than the man with a job.
@monorprise Of course your right and the Internet with multiple sites all saying the same thing that are fact checked and vetted are wrong, just fake news yup.
Fun fact Donald Trump in his speech the other day directly talked about how bad their healthcare system is, and hopes RFK can change it. Along with Trump bringing up about how their education system is so bad, he said rank 40 ironically this is wrong America is ranked higher and better than that. But still worse than England.
But when the Conservative Trump says about how bad they are... Are you still blaming the left that it's all lies?
@Kaneki05 The internet has countless opinions from countless sources.
The one you presented from 'commonwealth' was clearly biased and incorrect as evident by not only what they choose to rate but the fact that the American healthcare system serves these others whoa re clearly NOT self-sufficient not only in the vast bulk of technology but key services as well.
You have to compete the race to win it.
Trump doesn't like many American State election system because they are in fact unverifiable. He has said little about the election systems of other countries because we don't care that much.
But if we were in fact to judge say the United Kingdom's election system we would find many problems far worse than the American system. Your current government's hold on power being an obvious one your own country recognizes.
How the party in power districts the same house seats is very likely just as corrupt as the gerrymandering of many states. That is all without even looking into how your country 'counts' its votes.
In America we have 50+ different election system all running independently with different rules. The fact that they do in fact have a common federal goverment and can compare with each-other is one of the main reasons we know soo much about their shortcomings and can complain about it.
Is it possible that the reason your goverment is soo unresponsive to the people that your election system is really as dirty as California's?
Without a checks & balances of the existing goverment much-less a tottaly separate and independently elected federal goverment it is too easy for the parties that benefit from such rigging to hide all evidence of it keeping you from ever notice.
@monorprise My point has nothing to do with elections so you just want on a massive rant of nothing here. And didn't respond to at all the fact that the right wing like Trump also say Healthcare in US sucks.
And the whole theory that the Internet is filled with just bias opinions uh huh. But guess who I trust random Anon on Gag or dozens of sources that have done fact checking to figure out the statistics behind something and all come to the same conclusion?
Also love how your point about the 50 states is the exact argument I made about how sites on the Internet work so... Thanks for making the same point without realising that applies to them too hence why you can trust more when many sites from all different sources agree upon something.
@Kaneki05 Trump isn't a right-winger so much as a pragmatic. Real right-wingers are people like Ted Cruz. The U. S. healthcare system does suck, the Federal and State governments have rigged it to fail with mandates that would destroy or corrupt any industry.
There is no more heavily rigged and corrupt industry in America. That doesn't mean US healthcare isn't vastly superior to the UK's NIH.
The UK's NIH is an enormously corrupted goverment tyranny for controlling the brittish people holding their votes like their lives hostage to the underhanded whims of whom ever is in power.
But like most abuses in the parliamentary system your rather unlikely to ever hear about them. There is after all no real independent or even balancing power with both ability and interest to expose the same.
@monorprise Sure random anon on gag your right, I belive you, over countless sources that have the data to back up reality. You have so much evidence to prove your point. How did I not see it before, America is actually number 1 in everything and totally better in healthcare. How silly of me.
@Kaneki05 Given how your countrymen "Sacrifice" and all but worship your NHS its fairly clear your blinded by propaganda. Nothing is worthy of that least of all a service provider much less a goverment agency.
If the NHS doesn't do its job you should get anther service provider that will.
@monorprise Sure the blinded one is the one who admits other countries have better health care. I did mention we are 34 right so that's me admitting our country is 33 behind the best. Compared to the guy who can't handle the fact your country rank is behind others.
I wonder who here is really taking in the propaganda. That not even Trump agress with and he's the king of America patriotism.
@Kaneki05 As long as they are all goverment run and funded for everyone im sure they will rate you fine.
Of their rating category only "care process" really matters as all the rest are degraded if you don't share their universal coverage by all those who don't get care.
@monorprise Or it's ya know Universal Health care is a good thing who would've thought. But anyway we've carried this on long enough, all I can say is the one who is wrong here is the one who can't admit other countries have better healthcare. Because they do. US is not leading in every critia and fails to mount up in many this is just one example, but you keep thinking US is the best.
And hey maybe one day you'll be right but everyone who's bothered to do any research can tell you US is beaten by several countries on Health. And I just so happen to be in one.
@Kaneki05 You mean universal enslavement to support an optional service with religious consolidation is a good thing?
I was just arguing your choosing rating system is biased to say the least.
I am not arguing at all about the quality or desirability of the service to you because I would call that unacceptable tyranny regardless.
In a free country people are only forced to respect the natural rights of others not enslaved to serve them for open-ended, religiously questionable, and enumerated proposes.
We only agreed not to harm others and do what little is necessary to protect the system that enforces that. Not to serve their personal needs. So so you will forgive me if I don't care at about the quality of the services they stole. You get what you pay for, and if they didn't pay for it they are not much entitled to anything.
@monorprise What are you even on? Uc has nothing to do with religion lmao. Nvm enslavement. Just blabbing nonsense now though I should say you always were. Someone needs to get out of his basement and go to other countries by the sound of it, UC is just a normal health service that citizens are rightfully owed. As healthcare is a right, you say yours is better while when I get doctor appointments and surgeries without me worrying about a paycheck unlike you.
@Kaneki05 You know the nature of healthcare has been related to religion in many if no most cultures historically. The fact that only a minority in the west holds such believes does not mean there are none who still do. A particularly well known example is the Amish, but there are many more most with more minor believes.
Culturally homogeneous Europe and its dictatorial political systems makes it far too easy for Europeans to iqnore and disregard the rights of the minority. You think your doing everyone a favor as your political leaders tell you in giving them control of vast areas of your life. But in reality your just giving them more power while degrading their accountability on everything else every election.
The subject of slavery is the forced labor of anther person for the benefit of others. This is what governments that have become too big.
@monorprise As someone who went to Us recently their level of religion is far more present and extreme so.. you don't even know your own country this is proof alone, I didn't even go down that south, and religious was way more cult like over there. And I'm a Atheist yet get Healthcare just fine smh
@Kaneki05 Not sure how your adenoidal experience in Northern States is relevant much less not supportive of what I said.
America is not a single religion but many with many sub-units of different believes. Almost none of which you ever met. Unlike the UK we are not an ethno-state which is why there is more diversity here. That means we have lots of factions some large many small and every one of them matters.
Not everyone shares your atheist views on the subject
@monorprise Again what are you even on. Imagine thinking UK has only one belief. You do know my area has a Mosque, Church and Sikh Temple all right near each other.
This is just proof you've never been to UK nor seen it saying that, the first thing anyone from here can tell you is we are diverse perhaps too diverse lol.
So you don't even know your own country nor ours but pretend to. Also all I saw in US was Christian faith pretty much, no doubt more religions are across America but all the propaganda cult like activity was Christian.
And yes it was relevant because it shows how little you know, and that saying healthcare is a religious thing is just absurd. It's just right anyone has in our country it matters in no way what religion your in smh.
Im afraid your mistaken I am not saying the UK is of one believe I am saying the UK is naturally an etho-state somewhat intolerant of different believes as your history bares witness to. @Kaneki05
Your parlemtnary system and size are the reason for this historic fact.
Your goverment is is going to again learn this as it plunges the UK into anther civil war over incompatibility with the Islamic cultures they imported that you speak of.
I don't need to go see modern day UK to know of its long history and present issues.
If you knew American history you wouldn't need to come here to know we don't all agree on how to care for our bodies, and this is in fact a religious issue for many.
@monorprise Now your arguing against yourself. U claimed our healthcare is due to religion but now saying your lack of it is due to religion.
And no we aren't intolerant, that's exactly why we are so diverse and to much because so many of us are live let live.
I mean yes you do, it's ignorant to proclaim you know how a country works without going. You can assume and notice things but you haven't actually seen it. Therefore pretending you know better than someone who actually has seen both is the bliss of ignorance.
I know Americans, been to US and had talks with Americans who can't even afford basic healthcare that here would be no problem, or Americans who had to pay a fine when they are already low on money just to cover some basic accident.
If you think that's a good thing your cooked it's as simple as that.
@Kaneki05 I didn't say brittish goverment run Healthcare is due to religion, but even if I had it would not contradict the fact that America lacks such goverment power party because we agree less on such issues.
I said healthcare is historically and still currently for a great many people a religious issue. On that subject the United Kingdom has a long history of religious intolerance and wars to that effect and as such has little problem in its majority imposing upon the minority.
America by contrast leaves that kind of power at the state level, where we do in fact have such "health care" mandates as well as religious mandates.
When you cherry pick the "worse case" situation of individuals in America you blame the federation for an issue we are not legitimately united around. You should in fact be talking about Massachusetts Healthcare, or Alabama Healthcare, or realistically for most states a particular health insurance plan.
@monorprise And there is the problem. United nation, that's not so united. Hence why America has so many problems in the first place. Always talks about how united it is but in reality it's divided leaving ineffective systems throughout the states.
@Kaneki05 Many states don't think we should even be united as a State on the issue of how to care for our own health much less as a nation. The problem your overlooking is the simple fact that every one of us is different and the more different we are the less sense it make to try and manage the nature and effects of those differences as one rather than as the individuals we are.
When you presume the state should do anything at all you presume we either all agree ( which is never the case) or should be forced to submit to the majority on the issue. When that issue is the nature of how we care for our unique individual body. You will forgive me when i call you a imperialist.
A fact i think would make more sense if your country at the time of developing this policy had a larger degree of diversity in that area.
@monorprise It's literally called the united states and that's all your country has been trying to get but ya know... I don't really care what you call me, it's just a fact the way you do it is ineffective and it hurts your own citizens when they can't get the healthcare they need, US health system sucks.
@Kaneki05 The U. S. Healthcare system works great, limited lines top quality care. The only thing the people dishing on it don't like is it cost so much. Which is a problem as mentioned the goverment forced upon it. Both via tax subsidies for insurance and the fact that not everyone either either choose to can use it.
@monorprise Do you even know what imperialist means? Because I can give you a clue a socialist healthcare system is not imperialist... Marx is the reason we have such healthcare in the first place really and if you know who he was, you should understand where this matter actually stands. It's opposed imperialism. In fact your US way is vastly more alike to it since it's all about capital wealth, your system benefits those who are rich not the poor. And no t does not work great this is where your delusions come to play, I've spoken to many in US who are negatively impacted by such system along with tons of studies showing US system sucks, along with even your own president saying it does and he's a major rich capitalist who stands nothing to gain by saying that tbh.
Again this is why I say do you even know what your talking about and in reality you don't.
We will trade Maine for Ireland. Maine is 10% bigger and comes with moose, bears, deer, beavers and all kinds of wildlife. We just want Ireland’s Guinness, you know… to make it better, but it’s gotta be the whole island. None of this Northern Ireland staying with the UK crap.
I just got back from Europe, and I can tell you firsthand that the Old World needs a fresh coat of coom all over it. I could be the American Porno God, uniting continents with my potent seed. Each country bringing its unique flavor, like a Eurovision Ass-banging Contest, where my cock is the grand prize.
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No, the United States of America shouldn’t give a state to Europe just like how I wouldn’t want Denmark to give ‘US’ Greenland.
If we were to trade one US state for a good deal…. Florida for Italy. Italy is awesome and Florida is…. Well Florida lmao.
While Italy is more valuable than Florida being twice the size and twice the population.
Italy is in the middle of Europe being strategically one of their most important locations, it is only valuable in that regard to America if we anted to attack Europe and only as long as we can control the straits of gibraltar.
Thus the united Kingdom is actually more valuable strategically for America.
Just like Greenland is more valuable to America economically an strategically than i it is to Europe.
@monorprise Didn’t know Italy was twice the population of Florida tbh, United Kingdom would be awesome just to have more so than Italy. The Greenland thing is tricky due to the United States of America estimating the Oil there to be $1 trillion if you can properly drill it which Denmark has been trying to for decades even conceding in the attempt. There is no world where USA gets a good deal like Alaska being sold for pennies per acre $138 million in today’s money, it would be exponentially more and it would cost us even more to even attempt to drill. If it were that easy, Denmark would’ve done it by now though they do cover it with “Green Energy Transition” so doubt the politics of Denmark would love handing the keys to America to pump carbon into the air since it would hurt them for that alone.
I don't like the idea myself. Our forefathers settled this entire country through blood, sweat, and tears, and the blood of thousands of Americans have been shed to defend it. Should we just hand some of the land over that they fought and died for?
No, American should be brought back under the British because they've recently shown they are incapable of providing proper governance and sane international behaviour so need to be sent to the corner and grounded for the next 4 years.
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No way never I think we should own London, England, and change the name and that should be part of the United States of America. How do you feel about? That
@Jersey2 I know Texas is one of them if i don't mistake. And that one of the reasons for the USA-Mexican war that create today shape of USA borders (except Alaska at that time)
@monorprise Hmmm. 20 years with the US and it would be economically a European powerhouse. We could move many of our bases there from Germany as they would be closer to where they would need to go in a war. We could use it for cheap labor, a foot in the European market, and frankly we could branch out from there for more states. I have been to Romania and have done business there. They have some technology companies that focus on old mainframe stuff and our government uses a lot of it so we would have a new resource in that regard. Its not all bad.
@monorprise You can use vampires agains your enemys, and for USA nothing is to dificul, you guys succed to good Afganistan 20 yares by force in your posesion, Romania will be easy peasy
@Jersey2 While joining the US would certainly change Romania's economic fortunes significantly. it would require a very large standing military presence to deal with never ending threats in the region.
A permanent commitment to a long time war prone region of the world that we in North America are probably better off pulling out of so we can leverage the oceans for our defense again.
Other issues are language and trade both of which would limit how much Romania would benefit from American markets. Given our people have to learn to work together across language and great distances. We are really talking about as much as a 16% shipping mark up on goods & services going either way.
Until the langue issue is addressed its not like Romanians are going to be able to re-focus on intellectual industries that have 0 shipping costs like the UK is well positioned to do. Time will fix that problem of course, but in reality heavy industry and manufacturing needs access to raw materials as much as cheap labor.
This is why Puerto Rico is not doing nearly as well as it should. While by far the most successful in the entire region and on par with Europe. Industry on the island is not able to sustain itself because it has to import raw materials at non-competitive costs.
It is better to simply import the Spanish speaking Puerto Rican population to the existing 50 states where the raw materials already exist and pay them American wages.
Romania would not be as bad because it has raw materials but your still looking at a similar handicap making it unlikely Romania would reach full parity. \
@alexandrubaschet08 Securing Romania is easy, its just a question of whether or not its worth it long term.
Romania is in a historically violent region of the world surrounded by questionable neighbors. Indeed the story of Dracula is loosely inspired by a Romanian leader's extreme tactics to secure his country.
While theses enemies are inconsequential to America, to be frank so too is the relatively small country of Romania even at parity.
The resources needed to stabilize the region long term are probably more than what Romania even at twice its current strength relativist to its neighbors can justify.
This is the lesson of the historic story that inspired Dracula not that you had crazy leaders but that your leaders were in such a weak position they had to take such measure to defend your people from your regularly stronger enemies.
If Romania can work out a long term agreement with its neighbors it need not worry about soo many of them thus reducing the scope of realistic threats and the need for desperate resumes.
@monorprise Puerto Rico is not a state and is hopelessly corrupt. You can’t fix that. They must fix that.
As a US state we could move our troops there and no one will mess with the US and its nuclear umbrella. Language can be changed in one generation with schooling teaching English as the primary language. And Romania would move to a technology center in Europe so no need to ship anything.
Romania simply isn't that big, it does not have that many resources or even people in comparison to the resources required to properly deal with the constant threats from all of its neighbors.
Ultimately that is why Vlad Dracula a 15th-century prince in Wallachia, Romania ended up doing what he did to Romania's enemies inspiring the story of vampires.
When nations don't have the resources to reliable defend themselfs they resort to using fear as the Romania prince did quite effectively If not also brutally.
Obviously like most nations we would have no need to do that, but it illustrates the historic and presumably long term military situation of the Romanian geography.
We would need more land in the area to justify the standing force required to deal with Romania's enemies.
That's a myth, embassies aren't actually foreign soil. The only land That's considered legally American soil in the UK is war graves and the soil a statue of Washington stands on.
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