Should we as a society sympathize or try to defend criminals, in particular dangerous ones? How should we deal with them going forward?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

My solution is simple and practical. A bullet doesn't cost much nor a shot right to their head doesn't take much effort for the justice system to get rid of these damn roaches from our society.

[Cormac995]

Keep in mind this reply is a very basic response compared to my actual views if I go into detail I'll be here for hours. If anyone wants some clarification or debate feel free to as long as your polite. I don't like living in boxes.

The worst such as rapist, Pedo's Serial killers etc. should get life in prison no parole end of story. Not 20 to life, life. Crimes like manslaughter or Muders of passion get the standard now and potentially under some circumstance I could say there are some people with a murder charge who deserve parole.

If I found out a guy did 20 for killing his daughter's rapist, I'd think he was a great dad. Laws still have to be enforced for the sake of maintaining society, but ethics fall into grayer areas, and I think that under circumstances like that life without parole is unfair.

Drug related crimes should be she be mandatory rehab and community service and dealing should be at most ten years at most as long as 0 violence was involved or we're talking a guy moving mountains like gangsters and larger suppliers. That's very different.

Things like theft and burglary should be punished with prison time proportional to the offense. Things like shoplifting (Small scale not the shit going on in New York) should be community service same with vandalism. Drunk drivers who kill people should get a second-degree murder charge not manslaughter same with texting and driving.

Cheating should also be legally penalized with minimum payments to the party that was cheated on in a marriage. It shouldn't apply to dating but not setting certain standards for marriage leads to the shit we're in now. If it comes to a divorce If the husband cheated, he should get screwed, if the wife cheated, she should get screwed too.

Something like a default fine required to be paid to the party that was cheated on like maybe a $5000 fine. The rest can be settled in court but if infidelity can be proved that should be an automatic penalty. If the spouse who cheated though can prove something like abuse was happening in the relationship though the fine should be waved.

Drug use should be forced rehab not jail or prison, and the prison system should try to give prisoners the skill and tools needed to find work when they get out. People who see a way foreword have a light at the end of the tunnel and most people who have that don't become criminals. They should be punished for their crime with jail or prison time, but they should be given a second chance if they get one. They'll be less likely to re-offend if they have hope.

This is also a bit of a side tangent, but I also don't think everyone should have the right to vote. I think you should be required to earn your right to vote through some kind of community service. Something like spending two weeks a year (Does not have to be concurrent) cleaning highway trash or something. Exceptions will of course be made for people like the physically disabled and elderly since asking them to do those things in those circumstances is unfair.

Basically, I think everyone should have the right to earn their vote, not just be handed it. If you had to work for something you wanted to do, you'll be invested in making sure you make the right choice. It will encourage people to look into the candidates on a deeper level, so they don't waste they're vote on someone who doesn't deserve it. I also think that if you want to earn your vote your job should be required by law to work out a schedule with you to give you the necessary time.

The oldest you should be allowed to still run at should be 52 meaning by the end of two terms if you got them, you'd be 60. Once you get much older than that things start to go in the head and that leads to all kinds of fucking problems as we saw with Biden and I'm sure before long Trump.

Basically, I would go for a rehabilitation direction of forcing prisoners that don't have life sentence to partake in some kind of job training and exercise. Depending on the job like working in the prison kitchens they should get some commissary too because they're contributing. That will further encourage good behavior. If they're just taking online classes or something though then that's a bit different and it feels undeserved to reward them.

Also, as someone who's been in jail they need to improve the prison food. I know prison is a punishment but the food they give you is so unhealthy it feels like a punishment on top of it. I spent two weeks in a cell and gained weight. It's just tons of carbs and the kind of food you find in cyberpunk 2077. Some people genuinely get sick from it it's not even remotely healthy food.

[Twalli]

The primary goal of incarceration should be rehabilitation. Unfortunately, that costs more money than just keeping them contained. There will always be people who can't be rehabilitation, but when the prison guards don't know why the person is in jail and nobody is trying to fix thrm, prisons do very little good, but keeping bad people contained with people who aren't bad, but didn't conform to the laws.

[dustybiker2]

Federal law protects pets from their owners shooting them among other abuse. Ironically trump signed that into law in his first term. It was the only positive thing he did for the country. See shooting a living thing is considered by the sane to be inhumane.

[NoDecision]

Depends on how much that pet is suffering. It cost money to euthanize your pet. A bullet is cheaper and faster. Even the police would put a deer that had been hit by a car down by shooting it.

[dustybiker2]

@NoDecision I disagree. A bullet is painful, slow and inhumane. Euthanizing puts an animal into sleep state before poison is injected. If done properly (which I have unfortunately bore witness to it not, gawd awful and pissed me off) it is peaceful as the nervous system is connected to sleep and shut off.
Just because an animal looks shot dead does not mean it is not going through the painful experience of its body shutting down. Which is why this has been made illegal...

[Syntosi]

Problem: The justice system has a surprisingly bad track record of sentencing innocent people. Also, its not particularly advisable to give the government the authority to kill its own citizens purely on a slippery slope argument.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

It's very advisable to kill p. o. s people.

You say such stuff because you haven't been the victim of violence or something horrible happening to you or someone close to you.

If can be proven with certainly especially know that we live in a advance technological society error of happening is slim to none.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

* now

[Syntosi]

"You say such stuff because you haven't been the victim of violence or something horrible happening to you or someone close to you."

So you are advocating for making decisions based on emotions?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Based on logic and what's right to live a peaceful and safe society.

[Syntosi]

If its based on logic then why should it matter if I personally experienced it or not? Logic is self-evident and does not require me to form a personal connection with the event, that is reserved for emotional attachments.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Logic doesn't mean devoid of emotions.

There no need to keep horrible and dangerous people alive in society. Zero.

[Syntosi]

Yes, that is exactly what logic means.

Also I provided arguments why even if you felt that there is no reason to keep them alive, you still can't trust the government to kill them nor would you want to have a government that regularly executes their own citizens for one reason because that opens up the door for them to do it for other reasons.. like political purges or whatever.

[NoDecision]

@Syntosi Justice is not always true justice. Look at the Menendez brothers. They have served 35 years in prison. Others have killed people and kids and been sentenced to less time. And people sentenced to life also have a chance at parole after 25 years.

[Syntosi]

@NoDecision True justice or not, a false or unjust sentence can be compensated for afterwards. An injust death is hard to compensate for.

[NoDecision]

And who is to say if it is unjust? What one thinks is just, others think it is unjust.

[exitseven]

Our primary concern should be protecting the public from this scum. People who sell Fentanyl to kids should get a sample of their product. A big sample.

[Pterodon]

No I don’t sympathize with criminals. They got that way by choice.

[Anonymous]

society only sympathizes with criminals they find attractive e. g. Luigi Mangione

[noohair]

That is what the Chinese communists do.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

That's good. No need for demons in our society.

[Anonymous]

No, we should lock them up for life.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

No need for them to be alive. They serve no purpose.

[NoDecision]

Why pay for their upkeep when it is cheaper to execute them?