Can someone please explain to me, why American hunters hate wolves so much?

[Anonymous]

Why do American hunters hate wolves? And every time they see a wolf, they want to kill it?

I think this is a very bad attitude towards a beautiful animal, and yes I am aware that they eat meat, so do humans.

[NoDecision]

I suppose because they prey on livestock, and also the family dog if they are available. They are doing just what predators do. So do Coyotes and, let's be honest here, so does the family dog. I have seen a pack of them attack a deer. And, family dogs have also been known to attack and kill their elderly owners before. But it seems to become a sport in hunting wolves and coyotes. I don't agree with it, especially when they have to use snares and other traps to catch them. What sport is there in that?

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[Asker]

I only found out yesterday, you can choke a coyote to death, in my country, that’s classified as cruelty and it’s illegal. The thing is, US is massive compared to the other countries. You can live alone side the the wolves. The hunters, don’t like them eating deer, they have to eat something.

[Ladsin2]

Who says it's a sport? Maybe for a trophy, but I don't know anyone that hunts coyotes for sport. We hunt predators to protect our animals. We also have many non-lethal ways of trying to scare them off, but when it comes down to it, you have to protect yours if need be. For example in my "neighborhood" we shoot off fireworks if we hear coyotes coming round. Normally seems to scare them off.

[OneViewpoint]

LOL, I've lived all over the US. There is no shortage of deer. Quite the opposite. Not so much wolves as they are rare still but, coyotes are an important part of the ecosystem here that helps control the deer population for zero cost. Admittedly they will also snag your dog or cat if they get the chance.

The only problem I have with coyotes is that I have a game trail running about 200 feet behind my house. Once in a while the local coyote pack will make a deer kill. Which is fine except the little bastards always seem to do it at 3AM. There's about 30-45 minutes of war whoops and howling following a kill. That is what makes me want to kill the little pricks.

[Asker]

@OneViewpoint I agree with everything you say, apart from the very last bit

[Anonymous]

Its America... shoot first ask questions later.

[Asker]

That’s why kids get shot in schools

[OneViewpoint]

LOL, hunters don't hate wolves and coyotes. I don't think a lot of hunters give a canine predator much thought because they are not generally eaten as food here in the US and there's not much of a market for wolf pelts. Ranchers hate wolves and coyotes because they will attack and eat cows, sheep, chickens, ducks, and turkeys. That is taking money out of the rancher's pocket.

[Ladsin2]

They kill our livestock. Same reason I hate my neighbor's dogs. If I ever see them on my property again they're getting buried here. Also, I ran into a wolf before walking in the woods before. They're absolutely terrifying. It only makes sense to hate what you fear.

[lightbulb27]

some wolves have killed people. not many...

other than that, don't know. they kill livestock.

hunters like to kill big scary animals. they are highly skilled people with ego problems generally. I knew some hunters.

If they eat the wolf and use the pelt, then ok. But they probably just take a picture of it...

it's kinda sick.

[Ladsin2]

I've never heard of someone eating a wolf. Would you eat a dog that you had to kill to protect your kids? Doesn't even make sense if I'm being honest. I haven't killed big predators yet, but I've had to kill several snakes and varmint that try to take my animals. I haven't eaten any of them. Who would eat a racoon?

[lightbulb27]

@Ladsin2 my wife ate snake and did family. meet more chinese people or koreans, they know how to cook dog. I don't agree with it cause I like dogs and wolves. valid point to save life I'd kill one. But these people aren't saving their lives, they are going around in helicopters shooting them. effectively removing predators.

[OneViewpoint]

@Ladsin2 ,

Almost every MAGA cult member world eat a raccoon, and squirrels, and possum, and woodchucks, and road kill deer.

[Ladsin2]

@OneViewpoint Squirrels are fine. Raccoon are a no go, possum never tried. Road kill deer is fine if you got it quickly. Neighbor just ran over one outside my house a few months ago. Helped her sons dispatch it so they could take it home and fill the freezer.

[lightbulb27]

@OneViewpoint I never had any of that other than rabbit or deer and no like. Chinese... they learned to survive and ate everything.

[Ariesman81]

I'm all for a balanced ecosystem, but that's not we have in Northern Minnesota. We have legislators in cities making policies for people that are living with the consequences. The deer herds are being decimated due to law makers who like the idea of having wolves far away from where they live. The packs have outgrown their territories and are expanding and government is not allowing us to manage them.

[Asker]

Rubbish talk, yet again some more bull crap coming out of your mouth, the problem is, the sub humans are taking over and spreading. Why should wolves have the death penalty for bouncing back from extinction in areas? This isn’t true and maybe stop hunting the deer then. Maybe you have too many hunters competing against each other?

[Ariesman81]

Sub humans? You mean liberals? Agreed.
I have zero issues with wolves being reintroduced. The number of wolves have created a boom/bust cycle. Call it natural if you want, but the purpose of the DNR is prevent it from happening. And they've done a horrible job of it. Perhaps it's not the DNR's fault and law makers so far removed from the consequences are to blame.
Frankly, you sound like you care more for wolves than deer population. I'd like to see a balance of both. You know... conservation.

[Asker]

The actual balance you talk about doesn’t actually exist, it’s all made up, artificial. Hunters want very little wolves, so they have more to hunt! More to go at! Tell me something? What is the wolf population? In the US?

[Ariesman81]

As of winter 2022-2023 there an estimated 2,919 wolves in the state of Minnesota. Some argue this is a low estimate considering the DNR management numbers max out at 3,000. And the home range of these packs has been expanding since reintroduction making accurate estimates difficult. It is also estimated that one wolf consumes approximately 27 deer per year.

[Asker]

Okay, what is the size of Minnesota? Okay that’s like half a deer per week, per wolf. So what’s the issue?

How many American hunters and the average bag per year?

[Ariesman81]

That's 81,000 deer/year in a range a quarter the size of the state. You can do your own math on the rest. A hunter in that same range is allowed one Buck/yr. And if we go off anecdotal evidence, I'm sure there's statistics you could look up, deer sightings and hunter harvest rates have dropped dramatically in those regions since reintroduction. Not surprising since another apex predator is hunting the same lands.

[Asker]

Those wolves self regulate, even tho they’re apex predator, they know how much young they can support. Like rabbits in Australia, if there is no food then they won’t breed. As for the hunters, they can hunt, but you shouldn’t be killing wolves because they’re trying to survive and eat their natural food supply. Again that’s why we farm our food now so we all don’t have to hunt for it. Again I strongly disagree with killing wolves, this is a reason why you have now coywolves and red wolf going extinct. And yet talk about wildlife management. 🤣 rubbish. People are born ignorant, education can make someone stupid.

[Ariesman81]

Hahaha... you'd think that's how it works. That's not until they interact with humans, stealing Fido from the backyard, killing livestock, and expanding into your backyard. They are opportunistic predators and are only controlled by their food source. Yes, it's a self correcting population dynamic. That's how ecosystems work. The question is how do we all work together. Not allowing management of a top predator leads to boom/bust cycles in those regions. And we farm because it's convenient for you city folk who would rather not get blood on your hands.

[Asker]

How do you know I’m a city folk? For you know I may hunt myself, I just don’t agree with what you’re saying. It’s okay for humans to expand, not animals? Talking about livestock stock is loss of profit, what about tradesmen competing against each other for work? One gets the job the other doesn’t? Does the one who didn’t get the job go round killing people? Well maybe in America because there is always someone getting shot.

[Ariesman81]

Cause as an apex predator, I can smell a pussy from miles away.

[Asker]

They’re apex predator, that’s why they self regulate, they have to. Okay here’s a question, what is the correct population of wolves vs prey?

[Ariesman81]

Less wolves... more deer

[NoDecision]

They also eat family dogs and cats.

[KostasKouvalis]

It's mostly ranchers because they kill their lifestock.

But hunters maybe, because of Hollywood, wolves have a very bad reputation and maybe killing one is like a badge of honor

[Asker]

Any reason or excuse to kill one in my opinion, what is the wolf population in the USA? 25 thousand?

[Dargil]

Do hunters hate their quarry? Native Indians worshipped them. Especially wolves.

[Asker]

Some do yes, the way they speak about theses animals is probably the way you speak about someone who’s harmed your family and kids and bombed your country

[Dargil]

Well, Custer got what he deserved. There's that.

[exitseven]

They kill their livestock and pets. I want to kill coyotes because one killed my cat.

[Asker]

That’s your fault, if someone drive past and ran you cat over would you kill them? Or your neighbour’s dog got your cat? Would you kill the dog? Your fault pal, only blame yourself for not being a good responsible pet owner

[exitseven]

The coyote came right up on my deck and killed my cat. i see him again and he is dead.

[Asker]

Should never kill an animal with hate, I know someone who killed an animal slowly because it killed a chicken.

[exitseven]

I will use a shotgun. Quick and greasy

[DrPepper12]

You don't know shit about ranching then. They're a plague and their recovery has been a phenomenal success story! TY federal govt!! FU DOGE!

[beefcakebradybatson]

Many U. S. hunters use their love of guns as a compensation for their mini-p*nis.

[Pterodon]

It isn’t hunters. It’s ranchers

[Asker]

You sure? I see it all over fb and the way these people talk, really boils my piss

[Pterodon]

Yes I’m sure.

[Anonymous]

It's just an excuse to shoot guns.
Freaks.

[Anonymous]

Europeans are way worse about this.

[Asker]

How so?

[Anonymous]

They hunt and kill livestock.

[Asker]

And? We all eat farmed animals plus hunters eat their natural food so it’s tit for tat

[Opinion Owner]

They don’t receive money for wolves eating their live stock. That’s a lot of people way of living. Raising livestock to butcher and sell for profit.

[Asker]

Okay, stop hunting the deer then? Do they have something to eat no?

[Opinion Owner]

Some people live off the land and hunt dear. Wolves are opportunistic animals. They try to get an easy meal and they’re smart. Dog eat dog world. Someone has to go.

[Asker]

Nothing has to go, especially if the population is lower then 50/100 thousand. Where is the understanding of theses animals and respect? A lot of people are just selfish and couldn’t care if these animals are extinct and not to mention the USA is massive in size.

[Opinion Owner]

Same thing could be said about any animal that anyone eats or plants for that matter. Why kill anything?

[Asker]

Wolves play apart in the ecosystem, do the Americans eat wolves then? Is that What you’re saying? You hunt by the way?