Everyone agrees Trump's mistake cost trillions in losses, right?

[OddBeMe]

Just checking because this should end any political career

Yes, tens of trillions

No... here's the real skinny

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Exactly what I thought. Every magan thinks it's not real money

[BonzoInBitburg]

The markets were is a slow correction phase but it's the volatility he created by flip flopping and not presenting a thought out plan. The markets will eventually correct themselves but he delayed that correction by 90 days. It's very clear the markets and businesses don't like what he's done so far and until he comes up with something concrete, no business will expand into the US because Trump changes his mind so much. Publicly traded companies stopped announcing projected earnings because who knows what Trump's plan will be next week or the week after and if it will be different next month. Stocks will continue the slide in the markets until businesses know what the rules will be so they can plan ahead because investors take these unknowns into consideration when buying stocks. All this takes money out of the US increasing the interest rate in the bond market costing the US more money to service the debt. All projections show higher inflation, lower GDP and higher interest rates on 10 year bonds. 2025 is a lost year

[OddBeMe]

Destroyed 10 trillion dollars

https://youtu.be/zcAB9Ah_cAY?si=w-2hyQFtNKx_4tKy

[BonzoInBitburg]

As Jay Powell said, the markets are reacting as expected to the current economic uncertainty (shots fired DJT).

[OddBeMe]

Shots fired. 10 trill goooone

[MuddyMole]

To be fair, I think Trump would argue that negotiations are still ongoing, and the rewards are still to come - both short term (eg. other countries lowering their tariffs on the US) and long term (eg. manufacturing returning to the US).

Obviously, neither of those things are going to happen - maybe some very minor tariff reductions, but nowhere near enough to offset the damage done - but it's still a reasonable argument to make at this point in time.

If you give it a few more months, and China doesn't back down (they won't), and no other countries make any major concessions (they won't), and there aren't any announcements from major companies like Apple, to say that they're moving production to the US (there won't be) - then, at that point, you can reasonably consider the whole thing an abject failure.

[FreyaRed]

Someone loses, another one wins. Airbus is surely happy about abandoning Boeing as parts and aircraft provider for Chinese airlines.

[OddBeMe]

No everyone lost $10 trillion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcAB9Ah_cAY

[FreyaRed]

You should read the story about dutch Tulip mania. If you sold something for 3$ but you wanted 3000$ to begin of price negotiations you didn't lose 2997$. I think we are with those 10 Trillions in wish think scenario there.

[OddBeMe]

Wait…so the tanking stocks, non investments and loss of business and trade is just mysterious wishful thinking? Fucking idiot.

[Avicenna]

Not very smart of you to hang you hat on this since financial markets can turn on a dime.

But you never admit you’re wrong, you just move on to the next propaganda lie.

[Avicenna]

Yet another pathetic attempt by a desperate Marxist fool to propagandize. Your shrieks that a depression was coming have been proven false, so why should anyone listen to a fool as ignorant as you?

Hey leftist totalitarian, Trump was elected democratically and everyone knew tariffs were part of his agenda.

[blackeagle007]

It’s gonna get worse. There was a reason why he lost last time. And no more voter fraud. That’s a whiners excuse.

[OddBeMe]

I'm really hoping the lib dems don't fck it up again. 2026 could be our tea party year.

[blackeagle007]

You could be right. The dems have such a low rating, many left the party. Can’t they get themselves together for crying out

[OddBeMe]

Wasn't a stampede. You're talking about former Confederate border states where Dems have conserv electorate

But anyhoo... dnc really fucks itself by always going with party insiders instead of where the excitement is. (Cocks gun, shoots foot)

[exitseven]

President Trump is doing what he campaignedd on. He is getting better trade deals and opening new markets for Amerucan far ereaans industry. It will not happen overnight but it will happen soon

[OddBeMe]

Destroying 10 trillion?

https://youtu.be/zcAB9Ah_cAY?si=w-2hyQFtNKx_4tKy

[exitseven]

How many trillions did Biden destroy, And these were real losses and not just on paper

[Filthy_Immigrant]

No those trillions were lost before he got in the house Einstein.

remember that 200 billion of those trillions are currently in Ukraine

[OddBeMe]

No. Economy was doing good before orange turd got there and tanked it for no reason.

[OddBeMe]

https://youtu.be/zcAB9Ah_cAY

[Filthy_Immigrant]

oh wow a video that's literally 1 MINUTE LONG of a random dude making a comment on Trump is evidence!



Jesus dude you parents and your school department really failed you miserably

[OddBeMe]

Random dude is Jeffrey sachs. Leading economist. Read a book

[Filthy_Immigrant]

you forgot and a leftist propaganda pusher who favors globalism over American sovereignty. His track record of supporting anti-American regimes and failed economic policies makes his opinions highly questionable.

but I'm not surprised that a dickhead like you actually buys his nonsense. so you are no position to tell people to go read books. go practice what you preach instead

[noohair]

No one in the west understands the long game... Americans plan 3 months out and China plan 3 decades out...

[OddBeMe]

True. China exports 13% to America. We export over double. They’ll win a trade war

[Avicenna]

Are you on drugs, Odd? Where did you think you read that?

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna sorry not up to date on facts? Do your own research

[Avicenna]

I don’t think it’s asking too much to expect anyone making that claim to indicate where they got their figures from, much less someone with a demonstrated history of posting outright propaganda.

If you can’t show us where you got those figures from, we can only conclude you’re lying and gaslighting once again.

[Avicenna]

And it begs the question as to why you’re making up „facts“.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna I’m not. I’ve done the research and I’m tired of being Gags googler. China has so many customers, US isn’t a major one. China is third major US exporter. They will win.

[Avicenna]

If you have actually researched it, you should be able to cite your source (s).

No one knows for sure who comes out the „winner“ of the conflict; however, as usual, you have a simplistic view of a complex situation and a lot of confirmation bias of the anti-Trump variety.

The CCP wouldn’t be flipping out about the tariffs if the US wasn’t an important customer. Keep in mind that the US is responsible for a disproportionate amount of the world’s consumer spending.

[Avicenna]

The US exported $144 billion worth of goods to China last year and purchased $439 billion from China. How you conclude that the US isntcs major customer for Chinese goods is beyond me.

en.m.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_the_United_States

en.m.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_China

Note that China exports more to the US than it does to the entire European Union. China also imports much more from the EU than it does the US. Only about one third of all US-China trade consists of US exports to China.

There are indeed arguments to be made that the US can’t „win a trade war with China“., but not only don’t you make any of them, you don’t even know basic facts about US-China trade. I don’t know how you can make an intelligent argument if you’re that ill-informed.

[Avicenna]

Sorry, only about one-fourth of all US-China trade consists of US exports, which doesn’t chime with your claims.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna here you are dumbass. I’m officially the googler for dumb shits.

oec.world/.../chn

[Avicenna]

LMAO, you’re too stupid to see even your own source doesn’t back up your half-incoherent claims.

You really are one dumb piece of shit.

[Avicenna]

But you’re welcome to explain why you think that China will „win the trade war“ (as I said, we don’t know who will win and that there are arguments on both sides).

[noohair]

@Avicenna I don't waste my time arguing with Odd. I post and move on. As you said, propaganda...

[Sam1133]

Nope actually I made big money by betting against his policies through shorting US stocks n indices

[contentious]

What was lost?

[OddBeMe]

Actual mone genius

[contentious]

Mone?

Noun
mone (countable and uncountable, plural mones)

(obsolete) Communion; participation; companionship.
(obsolete) Sexual intercourse.
(archaic) A companion.

So you're mad your pedophile orgies have been stopped? Are you claiming your group was trafficking trillions of children? I think that's a little bit of an exaggeration don't you big guy. I've heard a boast or two in my life, but trillions? You're not getting laid that often even if you are raping children that were being smuggled across the border.

[OddBeMe]

My god…. you got me. I… have nothing. Oh wait except experts.

https://youtu.be/zcAB9Ah_cAY?si=w-2hyQFtNKx_4tKy

[contentious]

"esperts"... Hahahaha! Just like your covid "experts". The word you were looking for is propagandists.

[contentious]

It's funny that for years you Democrats smeared Jeffrey Sachs as a pro-Russian/pro-China shill secret agent, but now he's your "expert"... Classic.

[contentious]

You may look to Keynesian/Post-Keynesian "Russian agents" to be your experts on democratic socialism, but other people see them as retards, especially so when for a couple years you parade them out as Democrats, then you change up their position and parade them out under a different narrative in "rebellion" to the Covid scam/Ukraine war, then you change them up again and parade them out under the Democrat banner in opposition to Trump. Credibility, consistency, and intelligent thought don't matter, the only thing that matters to you is what fits the narrative of the week... Am I right?

[OddBeMe]

Oh you're the religious nut who can't understand logic. Experts... hah!

(Hint) experts built the internet, phone and toilet your sitting on right now

[contentious]

You should really talk to your care taker and ask them to explain what I said to you.

[seeyounexttuesday]

What trillions in losses?

[OddBeMe]

https://youtu.be/zcAB9Ah_cAY?si=w-2hyQFtNKx_4tKy

[seeyounexttuesday]

imagine you claim to be an economist and don’t know how the stock market works.

[Pohjolan]

Trillions so far.

[Anonymous]

I actually heard it was quadrillions.

[OddBeMe]

https://youtu.be/zcAB9Ah_cAY?si=w-2hyQFtNKx_4tKy

[Sevenpointfive]

what mistake?

[DrPepper12]

Yup. #ETTD