Does this mean that President Trump's policies are working?

[exitseven]

According to the department of labor 139,000 new jobs were created. This was in spite of the fact that thousands of jobs in the government were eliminated.

[AviatorTom]

Not necessarily. Only people who are looking for employment are considered in unemployment statistics, which are used in coming up with the "jobs" number. Since many of the laid-off government workers received a severance package and are not actively seeking work, as well as active court cases preventing them from seeking new jobs, they do not count as unemployed.

[exitseven]

That is true, but it has been true forever. It was true when Biden was president and people were loafing on covid money.

[AviatorTom]

@exitseven As my father (and many others) used to say... "Figures don't lie but liars can figure."

[exitseven]

I bet your father knew my father.

[AviatorTom]

Thanks for MHO

[msc545]

Where is the data? Link the source please.

[exitseven]

Itis the dept of labor/
https://www.bls.gov/

[msc545]

Then why is the unemployment rate unchanged? Perhaps because these are non-existent or shitty jobs?

[Chazmatazz269]

Roughly half of the US population works in some documented fashion. That’s roughly 170M people. With an unemployment rate of 4.2%, that’s over 7M people actively seeking work. 139k jobs is only 2% of that total. 2% of 4.2% is negligible statistically.
I wonder though if you questioned these meaningless statistics when the previous administration held their publicity stunts. Ell oh ell!

[exitseven]

The unemployment rate is unchanged because more people have rejoined the workforce.

[OlderAndWiser]

He is doing a far better job that Biden or Harris would be doing!

[Chazmatazz269]

That would be an oversimplification.
No policy or practice is without limitations and drawbacks. Nothing changes for the better overnight. What i’m actually quite hopeful for is people, the left in particular, to recognize how far against the classic conservative agenda Drumpf is going. The global economy benefits the biggest businesses and wealthiest individuals exponentially more than the rest of us. His entire economic plan is meant to bring jobs back to the US and punish the multinational corporations who are using foreign labor to drive down costs only for profit gain. When smaller businesses start filling in the gaps in the market, US citizens will have good jobs that will allow them to buy more US-made goods and services. I really hope US businesses move back toward quality at the same time. I, for one, rapidly grew weary of buying cheap crap that doesn’t last. When i started focusing on buying made in USA, i was sometimes disappointed to find that our manufacturers went fast and cheap to compete with foreign brands. That’s a huge mistake. We will never be as cheap as countries with little to no labor protections. So we need to sell something that they don’t… QUALITY. End planned obsolescence and make things that last. Revive service industries with products that can be meaningfully maintained for years or even decades.
The left appears all too happy to help destroy the US economy just so they can hold onto their narrative about Drumpf being some kind of monster.
I’d really like to see his administration reach out to labor unions at home and abroad. Now is the time, and the left will have completely forfeited their connection to the working class if Drumpf makes in roads with them and the industries they drive.

[lightbulb27]

I don't trust these statistics without details. there are seasonal adjustments, every govt manipulates these it seems and then takes them away later. what kind of jobs?

If this was truly the case, we'd have a big shortage of workers because we kicked out so many that were doing those lower end jobs.

Id need to know more to believe the above.

To your question... are they workign... I think the illegal immigration policy is "working" but I don't understand the end game. you aren't gonna like the price tag to get "americans" on your roof to install a new one or replace yoru driveway. we need these people to lower costs.

Rebuild america - is in flight... I'll believe it when I see the buildings and $ being invested from tehse big companies, otherwise they are BSing him to appease. as well, it's key to have him in place and polices for more than 4 years else the "left" will flip the rules and companies will cancel projects and leave factories in china, and we are back to square 1.

womens protections - seems to be working.

straightening out education - in process, might be some negative effects as well

Wars x 2 - no progress whatsoever... what a beast to solve. I don't think Jesus himself could fix these wars. Whom can?

no doubt... he is stirring the pot and that's good in many ways.

what else?

[sage2021]

I don't mean to sound like a negaholic, but it is hundreds of thousands of people who lost their jobs, not just thousands.
I just saw that 33,000 teacher's just lost their jobs. I didn't see the entire story, but there were hundreds of teachers all wearing red T-shirts ina group holding up signs.
I didn't watch it because stuff like that stresses me out because those people's lives were ruined and a lot of them weren't young either.
I remember coming on here after president Trump's last time in office and I was saying good things about him - like how many jobs he created and I was jumped on for saying that. The members here were telling me that the president doesn't create the jobs. What says you?

[exitseven]

The president creates the environment that creates jobs. Or the opposite. joe Biden cancelled the Keystone pipeline and destroyed 20,000 good paying jobs. Ge wanted all the welders and mechanics to learn how to write code.
Trump is imposing tariffs to bring industry back to the US.

[Avicenna]

33k teachers didn’t lose their jobs because of Trump- they would have lost them because their principals didn’t bring them back.

[Effably]

Just to be very clear the average monthly job gain in the US is 149 000 over the last 12 months.

Praising 134 000, 15 000 jobs less created than average, when average only maintains the employment rate is at best naive and realistically malicious.

No. 15 000 less jobs creates than the same time previous year is not a sign of policies working. It is a very clear sign of policies not working.

Reality is worse as that is an average that still benefits from pre-Trump. Actual job loss, compared to 2024, for March and April is 95 000 less.

[Effably]

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm here is the source you use that also confirms everything I said.

[goaded]

Yes. Assuming they're intended to slow job growth.

What month was that? Last month, May, 8,000 manufacturing jobs were lost, and "Private payrolls increased just 37,000 In May, below the 60,000 in April and the Dow Jones forecast for 110,000. It was the lowest monthly job total from the ADP count since March 2023."

Have a look at this graph, where do you see it being steep? That's when the economy is growing well. March 2023 was a glitch.

146,000 jobs in November 2024

122,000 jobs in December

183,000 Jobs in January 2025

77,000 jobs in February

155,000 jobs in March

62,000 jobs in April

37,000 In May

[goaded]

Bother, forgot the graph, it's at this site. For best results, zoom in on 2015-2025.

https://adpemploymentreport.com/

[exitseven]

These are the figures direct from the Dept of labor. 139,000 jobs were created.
https://www.bls.gov/

[goaded]

I don't see that one. I see total civilian employment went down in May...
www.bls.gov/.../civilian-employment.htm

Or the employment to population ratio being its lowest since Jan 2022, during the recovery.
www.bls.gov/.../employment-population-ratio.htm

Ah, 139,000 jobs: https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
"Total nonfarm payroll employment increased by 139,000 in May"
"by 177,000 in April"
"by 228,000 in March"
"by 151,000 in February"
"by 143,000 in January [2025]"
"by 256,000 in December [2024]"
"by 227,000 in November"
"essentially unchanged in October" - interesting!
"by 254,000 in September"
"by 142,000 in August"
...
"by 272,000 in May" - this time last year.
"by 175,000 in April [2024]"

Bored, now, but you can check it out at web.archive.org/.../empsit.nr0.htm See if you can find another Biden month that wasn't that good, and wasn't surrounded by at least twice as good as the Trump number you're trumpeting.

[Avicenna]

Goaded, propagandists like you never acknowledge that the Biden numbers were often revised down considerably. Let’s wait and see before jumping to conclusions based on short-run data.

[Avicenna]

As bd surely you know what’s different about May and November/Defember.

[goaded]

@Avicenna So were Trump's April numbers. Show me a source with the revised numbers, then. We've got four years of Biden data, and they were all job wins, and mostly far bigger than Trump's..

[purplepoppy]

All politicians pull this trick not just Trump. What matters to people is whether or not SUITABLE jobs are created NEAR them. If I close a mine and put a 1000 workers out of a job it's of little comfort to them that I've created 2000 jobs as typists in a town thousands of miles away. But on paper I'm doing a good job.

[exitseven]

The difference is that government jobs create an expense for the taxpayers. A job created in the private sector creates revenue for the government resulting in a balanced budget.

[katiesmuff]

No it means the summer season is on its way and the seasonal summer jobs market needs to fill all the openings for workers at amusement parks, lifeguards, summer camp help, stores in vacation area help etc and has nothing to do with what that Loud Mouth Pile of Dog Shit trumpie is doing. Right now I would donate the dueling pistols for trump and musk to shoot it out.

[exitseven]

These jobs were mostly in healthcare and there 39,000 jobs in the logging industry. I did not even see summer jobs mentioned.

[katiesmuff]

You are so simple minded to believe undocumented surveys and polls! I'm trying to figure out how so many jobs were added, however the unemployment hasn't decreased, just increased. Just go home and stick your head back in your sandbox.

[exitseven]

I would not call figures from the Dept of Labor "undocumented"
https://www.bls.gov/

[ProbablyClueless]

It’s certainly a step in the right direction. Gotta give things a little more time

[Syntosi]

If you want to call that "working" then sure, let Trump claim credit for falling 95,000 jobs short these last two months compared to projections. Nice going.

[Shiprex]

When these were the same jobs they ended then NO it does not mean they're working. Almost the opposite is true

[exitseven]

@Shiprex Cutting government waste is one of the things that President Trump is doing to balance the budget. Nobody likes to lose their jobs but Joe Biden hired a million people in 4 years to make his jobs numbers look good. It is just another mess that President Trump has to clean up,

[Shiprex]

And those job's he's ended have who doing them now? Ahhh no one or someone who has a different job and not able to do it because there's a shortgap which needs to be done, oh it's only vets or low income folk affected so no harm no foul

[BonzoInBitburg]

That's a good sign if true. The March and April numbers were inflated and revised downward 95k so there could be more to this story. .

[andreasderjuengere]

It only delays the inevitable.

But at his age it can't really bother him any more.

[andreasderjuengere]

I'm not bothered either... just curious how quickly it will happen.

[seeyounexttuesday]

And I bet they won't downgrade those numbers like they did for Biden every quarter.

[Dongie]

It could be. We'll see.

[DrPepper12]

What KINDS of jobs?

[Sal_Monella]

They mostly are.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Nope, it's a one-month bounce.

[exitseven]

maybe but the jobs numbers were great last month too. 171,00 jobs were created. So maybe a two month bounce?