Trump supporters, will you go to war with Iran if Trump asks you to?

[Anonymous]

If he asks you to go will you go to war?

Yes I will

No I won't

[OneViewpoint]

ROFL, tRump supporters are mainly old fat white people with hip replacements and bad eyesight. They are also the dumbest dumbphucks in our society. The only benefit of sending them to war would be a purge within our society. Which I wholeheartedly support.

Even the Oaf Creepers, the 3% Brain Function, and the Proud Toddler "militias" are made up of losers who did half a hitch as an enlisted man in our military and got their worthless ass thrown out as unfit for duty. Most of these losers are in their late 30's or 40's. Now they run around in their Walmart camouflage hunting gear playing Rambo in the woods behind their house. The US military wouldn't take these failures back.

[Kiss_Me]

You sound exactly like Joseph Goebbels and propaganda he ordered distributed in the late 1930's.

[OneViewpoint]

@Kiss_Me ,

And you sound like a Reich Wing cult convert who can't think for himself desperately trying to be an apologist for the group of losers he's latched onto in the dark web. Page 1 of the Reich Wing manual... blame the other guy for the Nazi sympathies you embrace. Accuse the other side of your crimes. Repeat the lies until they become accepted as truth. You were a good little Nazi student.

[contentious]

American's don't have a problem with the Iranian people. It's the oppressive Islamic government that is the problem. America has a problem with that government and their oppressive policies they push throughout the world. This is why America took away their nuclear weapons program the other day. Iran can't be allowed to have nuclear weapons. Their government is evil, and most Iranians know that already...

https://www.youtube.com/embed/RGsRCPO1VM0

[contentious]

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[Datboi65]

Oppressive governments are one thing, regime change is another. We all saw the aftermath of Iraq.

Also, by many accounts America is oppressive. Ask the Natives how they feel and they will be the first to let you know. That doesn't warrant regime change in Washington.

As for nukes, North Korea has them and they're probably more anti-US than Iran, but they seem to be rational enough to not escalate into a nuclear catastrophe, meanwhile the US was the only country to ever use nukes. Twice.

The truth is that the government only cares about Israel.

[contentious]

@Datboi65 You're full of shit. Iran is an Islamic theocracy, thus by Sharia law the evil government of Iran has hated both the United States of America who's constitution is based on Judeo-Christian morality and the current state of Israel before we even existed as nations. It is a mission of Islam to kill all Jews and Christians to bring about their version of judgement day. Muhammad confirmed the Torah and the Gospel as true expecting the Jews and the Christians to confirm the Quran in return, yet the Jews and the Christians rejected the Quran, ridiculed Muhammad and Islam as a heresy, and called Muhammad out as a false prophet. As a result Islam decided that all Jew and Christians must die from that day forward, thus why the government of Iran has called for death to the United States and Death to Israel since the Islamic revolution overthrew the country. There is no way to negotiate our way out of their hatred for us. They will always want to kill the United States, Israel, all the Christian countries in Europe, all the Christians countries in South America, all the Christian countries in Africa, and so on regardless of how we relate to them. They will not stop until they have complete domination of the entire planet under a one world government of Islam and everyone is either a slave to Allah or is dead.

[contentious]

@Datboi65 That's their mission and has been their mission before we were even a country. Does that mean we have to go fight every last Muslim in a hot war? No. Does that mean the United States has to invade Iran with ground troops and occupy the country for decades to change the regime in power? No. People that have lived under an authentic Islamic government understand it's oppression, and as a result they are receptive to apostasy of Islam and a move to either secular beliefs or conversion to other religions. An Islamic regime can be collapsed through information. That said, America taking out their nuclear weapons program, and Israel hitting many political targets and ballistic missile targets weakens the regime and opens the door for revolution from within. If they want their country, the door is open and they will have to fight for it. It's not our responsibility to fight every fight, but we also don't want a terrorist cell detonating a nuclear bomb inside an American city just because radical Islamists want to kill all Jews and Christians. The war hawks would use the nuclear weapons program as a pretense for invasion. Trump strategically striking their facilities takes that option off the table. Thus the military industrial complex has no valid excuse to invade Iran. Iranians however do have the opportunity to take back their own country. Those who have turned against Islam are the majority now in Iran.

[Cormac995]

Some of them even praise it and see it as their first chance to overthrow the regime. I've been following the news and there are always Iranians in the chat saying. "Please don't hate us all we're victims of an oppressive regime. I do hate Islam but I don't hate the people of Iran. Most of them are victims of the same violence we are.

[Datboi65]

This has to be the dumbest fucking take on foreign policy I've ever seen on this thread, but that's to be expected.

Iran is a theocracy BECAUSE the United States overthrew their secular democracy in 1953 and replaced it with a dictatorial monarchy that oppressed their people for 26 years. Why? Because their prime minister Mohammed Mosaddegh was not an enemy of the USSR, and during the height of the cold war that was seen as enough for regime change.

Do you not understand that the more you intervene in other countries, the more you FUCK UP any chances of creating long-term allies in the region? Saudi Arabia is also a theocracy and a US ally. If you think Saudi is not Islamic, you're about as dumb as a rock.

[Datboi65]

What exactly are you trying to accomplish there? How is a war with Iran going to make you safer? Are you going to wear your uniform and join service, or are you gonna prop up for war behind a screen like a coward and call for carnage among civilians?

Did you not learn a goddamn lesson from 2003 Iraq? The power vacuum? ISIS? Nothing at all? Let me tell you something, Iran has a population if 93 million people, double that of Iraq. If a war breaks down in Iran, where will those refugees go? How many people do you think will be come radical extremists and terrorists? How many years do you think this war will last?

You don't know, but you're very excited about the prospect of war. What an idiot.

[Datboi65]

@contentious You're a 45 year old. You're most likely never gonna fight in this war. MY generation will be mostly impacted, and most of MY generation doesn't want to die in another foreign war for Israel. If you have a problem with that, put on the uniform and go fight in Tehran. Until then, you can stfu.

[contentious]

@Datboi65 It's clear you are mentally retarded. You know absolutely nothing about history and you live in a delusional brainwashed existence.

[Datboi65]

@contentious Says the dumbass old bastard that made no good points for his incitation of war, but wants to send young people like me by the thousands to go and die for his stupid war. Go fuck yourself dude.

Give me a "history lesson" then if you can counter what I said, or stfu. Why was there a coup in Iran in 1953? Can you answer that or not?

[contentious]

@Datboi65 OK I'll point out how fucking retarded you are. The general Persia region became Islamic in the 7th century. They did not become Islamic because of anything that happened in 1953 dipshit. The United States of America did not even exist the 7th century. The region has been invaded countless times and has been under the rulership of dozens of countries. Britain via the East India Company first got involved in influencing Persia in the 1600s before the USA was even a country. Around WWI Russia and Britain invaded what today is Iran to counterbalance German and Ottoman power (Central Powers) in the region and protect their interest in oil resources that had been discovered around that period. At the time there was a royal dynasty the Qajars that ruled the area. The Qajars became a constitutional monarchy only in 1906. They were Turkish Muslims. The USA again had nothing to do with the British influence. In the 1920s the Pahlavis dynasty who were fabricated out of thin air as a military leader Reza Shah Pahlavi took power in a coup/civil war. They were Cossacks training in the same way Russian soldiers were trained and they had guidance from a British general. These are the Shahs you've heard about in Iran. They created and named the modern state of Iran. They made Iran an autocracy. So again their monarchy has nothing to do with 1953 or the USA wanting to stop Russia. It was the Russians and the British that created the monarchy for the Shah.

[contentious]

You see how you are repeatedly wrong on every single point you try to make? The Pahlavis dynasty were heavily entrenched in Freemasonry. As a result when Hitler via the Thule Society (Islamic Sufi Freemasons) takes over the Weimar Republic and brings forth the Third Reich, the Shah of Iran stays neutral. There are anti-Alliance protests in Iran at the time which are viewed as pro-Nazi demonstrations which are suspected to be instigated by Germans who are in Iran in control of major industries. This is seen as a threat to both the UK and Soviet Union so in August of 1941 they invade Iran again to protect supply lines for Russia in WWII to fight the Nazis. Again, nothing to do with the USA... The Iranian Shah even appeals to the US for help contacting his Freemason brother Franklin D. Roosevelt (D) who tells him he is sorry, but the USA is neutral in WWII at the moment. After WWII you see a return to a parliament and a prime minister, but it’s more symbolic than anything given that the Shah is the executive and has the final say on all policy and has the power to appoint and dismiss prime minsters and even the power to dissolve the parliament.

[contentious]

They were not a long standing democracy. The guy you are so concerned about in 1953 is Mohammad Mosaddegh who was in office for just over a year. At the time the parliament wanted to nationalize the oil industry and the prime minster wanted to audit the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. The Shah didn’t want that, and that was obviously bad for the UK and America that wanted the oil to keep flowing. The shah could have just dismissed the prime minster or dissolved the parliament but it would be bad for optics. So CIA staged some riots in a psyop and coordinated a coup to strengthen the power of the Shah. The Shah was already the monarch, he just had political adversaries that were contrary to his positions so he wanted them eliminated. You are literally wrong about every single detail you gave. That’s why I said you are retarded and brainwashed. You know nothing, yet you are so fucking sure about it. It’s hilarious how stupid you are.

[contentious]

And if you want to go deeper into the story Franklin D. Roosevelt (D) had a 5th cousin Theodore Roosevelt Jr (D) who had a grandson named Kermit "Kim" Roosevelt Jr. who ran the CIA opp in Iran... Remember what I said about Freemasons earlier? It runs in the family... They were protecting their claim to power and control over the oil that is so lucrative.

[contentious]

Rather than learn what actually happened by studying history, you echo a Democrat Freemason psyop which was run by the CIA. Part of the propaganda they used was to discredit Mohammad Mosaddegh as a communist and a spy, even though both American and British intelligence believed his democratic stance was a strong deterrence to communism in Iran. You're such a fucking pawn.

[Cormac995]

Not to mention American influence in Iran led to them having freedoms they have never since seen ever since the terrorists took over the state. Iran used to be like America in the 70s before the terrorists took control and the people especially the woman remembers that freedom and want it back.

There is currently massive support from the people and even Iranian government officials for the old Sha's son to take over and he wants to be a transitional figure that will make them some form of democracy and isn't even considering the idea of taking the title of Sha yet even if asked to be the transitional figure. He is also well liked by the people of Iran.

There is a lot support for both a constitutional monarchy or some form of democracy but the end result is the same. They want the rights they had under the old Sha back and they hate their current government because they're family live in constant fear of death and punishment by the state if the step out of line. FFS they fear for their daughters and wives because wherever Shirai law goes rape, death murder and torture follows and it basically gets fucking legalized.

[Cormac995]

Also the guys counterpoint about Sadia Arabia is only half right. They don't have separation of church and state yes but they are also far looser with what is considered heresy and they are far more tolerant in large part because unlike Iran they are Suni not Shia. The Suni's can normally be reasoned with and are far more amicable, but the Shia are fucking nutjobs even compared to the Suni who I still think take things too far.

The only reason Saudi Arabia isn't an Islamic hell hole like most other countries in the middle east is American interference. Sometimes regime change works sometimes it doesn't it depends on how it's handled. Iraq wasn't a disaster because we tried to pull a regime change it was a disaster because we gave them democracy but gave them no reason to fight for it.

We didn't help them rebuild their country enough, we didn't train them long enough and we didn't stay long enough. Nation building takes decades in my opinion for a solid shot a minimum of 30-40 years of assistance and control is the bare minimum. You have to give them a reason to want freedom. Most of them have better things to do than fight for a government when they're worried about their family's daily food and water needs living hand to mouth.

[Cormac995]

If we had uplifted the people and gave them something worth fighting for they would have held the line. I don't blame a guy with a starving family for saying "Fuck this I isn't dying for this government." when his priorities are that far away from the kind Americans have. A bad day for us is when we run out of milk a bad day for them is when they have to skip meals three times this week so their kids can eat.

Also the guy who we removed was abolishing key government checks and balances while in power he was pulling a coup to become a full dictator when we removed him. That said the oil deal Iran had when they tried to nationalize the oil industry was really raw. Iran got less than 10% of the profits made off the oil in their land. I'm not saying they should have nationalized it but they deserved a bigger cut so I understand their frustration at the situation at the time as well.

[Cormac995]

There are some things that Datboi got right but it was barely any of them. As for this "we need to stop fight them" Stuff we tried that, we tried that over and over and over and even Trump of all people had 5 different fucking peace talks trying to get them to de nuclearize peaceful and they snubbed us on every single term all five times.

[Cormac995]

We tried the carrot more than enough it's time for the stick again because they won't stop trying to kill us even when we do fuck off and leave them alone and if they aren't trying to kill us they're fucking killing each other. Islam is fucking insane and needs to die out. People give it special treatment because it dresses itself up as a religion but what it really is a violent cult that justifies the acts of psychopaths so they can inflict pain suffering and death with no moral or physical consequences. Islam has committed every single sin as the Nazi's and then some and continues to every day. If you think that WW2 Germany was bad you should think Islam is even worse and if you don't you're a hypocrite that's picking and choosing when ethics apply which in my opinion is what Datboi did. He also clearly has mixed sources of information.

[Cormac995]

Also if we're going to make the argument about the cycle of violence it's important to remember that Islamic radicals cast the first stone. Our constant fighting in the middle east all started just years after we won our independence when Barbery pirates were murdering, raping and enslaving American sailors because the Quron says all the unbelievers are theirs by right to plunder and enslave.

We went down their and kicked their ass for killing our people and that's how this whole mess and cycle of violence started so yea it's on them no matter how far you trace it back that we can't get out of the middle east. Every time we try to leave THEY pull us back in. If you punch me over and over eventually you should expect me to kick your ass. Don't like getting ass beat? Don't pick fights you can't win for stupid reasons. If these radicles would just learn their lesson and fuck off it would be enough but they won't.

If we stop fighting, they'll just build up strength and attack us again when they're ready like Muslim extremists in the middle east ALWAYS have. That's why they were making nukes after all. Look ending the cycle of violence is a noble idea Datboi but it's not realistic. At the end of the day what it comes down to is they want to kill me, they won't leave us alone and these terrorists are violent dangerous savages.

So, if they want to kill me than bomb away and if there's collateral damage then that's war. At least we don't commit war crimes as a strategy and part of how we fight by default like them and the Russians. We don't use child soldiers we don't encourage rape or slavery, and we don't see civilians as hostile combatants and viable targets. Datboi has his head spun around the wrong way with twisted facts likely handed to him by a source he trusted but was wrong as is often the case.

[Cormac995]

Also as for invading them because they got too cushy with the USSR was the right move. The spread of communism was one of the most dangerous and destructive things to ever happen in human history. There has never been a single successful communist country and every time one was founded it was done with terrorism.

Everywhere the reds went death murder and slaughter followed. If the Russians had been allowed to run amuck the damage they could have done is insane and think about how bad things would be in Ukraine if the Russian federation had managed to retain all their soviet slave states and proxy forces? The extra money and man power they could have drafted would doom Ukraine.

[Cormac995]

Ultimately Imperialsim will never end and there's no way to stop it so it's not about choosing who's right it's about choosing who is a better boss and since China makes countries into slave states and uses forced labor camps and disappear people and Russia commits terrorism to keep the people in line so that leaves the USA as your last option as a boss and at least we do it with bribery instead of bombs as long as you behave.

[Cormac995]

Don't kid yourself Datboi if we leave Russia and China will move in and if you think things in the middle east are bad now you've seen nothing yet.

[Datboi65]

Lots of sensitive losers in this post.

@contentious is a coward that's afraid of debate, and a loser and war monger. He blocked me because he's dumb, so I'm gonna write my response to his stupidity here.

A war with Iran is bad for America, because of 2 main reasons:

1) The direct economic result of another forever war in the middle east will bankrupt America which is already at $36T worth of debt. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars cost the US about $3T.

2) The power vacuum that will be created will leave behind something far worse than what already exists.

I was discussing the 1953 coup of Iran, and that liser left out some important details which I'm going to share with you all here.

In March 1951, his predecessor Prime Minister General Ali Ramzara was assassinated, and he came to power through an ELECTION (unlike his predecessor that was appointed by the Shah). That's why I said he came in democratic means, and that's also why he clashed with the Shah, because he was representing the will of the people.

Moreover, the Shah did in fact flee Teharn to Rome in August of 1953 after the coup initially failed. There was a second coup that took place and all of his cabinet members were arrested and sentenced.

He had support from the Tudeh communist towards the end before the coup, which were backed by the Soviet Union. Bare in mind, the National Front (his party) were nationalists and weren't communists by any means, but he opposed imperialism and intervention in his country's resources.

The coup ended the democratic experiment in Iran and returned the country to the status quo of absolute Shah rulership.

It's important to note that the CIA "grey propaganda" campaign launched against him by the CIA labeled him as "anti-Islamic" suggesting that THEY were also seeking support from Islamic extremists to overthrow his government. There were reports of attacks on mosques that were part of a psyop made to make him and his loyalists appear responsible for that.

When you overthrow a secular nationalist with propaganda that appeals to radical extremists and bring back the monarchy, you can't be surprised when religious extremists take control of power.

[lightbulb27]

im too old. if I'm looped into the war, it's hit hard in USA. our kids would go and that would suck.

I have no problem cursing out Israel in the process. If I have to go die because of their selfishness, then I get my free speech. I like Israel somewhat, but dying for them is something else.

he's the president and I'd go under biden as well.

War is a bad thing, turn around... go the other direction.

[Anonymous]

BREAKING: the current version of Donald Trump’s ‘Big Beautiful Bill’ being advanced by Senate Republicans will now cut $930 BILLION from Medicaid. All to fund tax breaks for billionaires

Heartless and cruel doesn’t even begin to describe this level of greed.

[strateguy632]

Look at this horrid fear mongering. they can't find ANY flaw in trump so try to SCARE people but... 3 days later trump brought peace in middle east... AGAIN, and succeeded and even won. Poor frustrated democrats!

[Avicenna]

Trump obviously didn’t want war with Iran and he seems to have brought the shooting war between Israel and Iran to an end.

[Datboi65]

Wouldn't explain the attack deep into their territory.

Truth is, Trump DOESN'T want war. But Trump also DOESN'T want Bibi Netanyahu to post that Epstein document that will send him and many in Washington to jail, so he makes the decision that's good for him and bad for the American people.

[Avicenna]

@Datboi65: LOL, batshit crazy leftists keep making up increasingly unhinged shit that confirms we don’t want them in power…..

[Datboi65]

I'm not a leftist buddy. I'm more conservative than you.

Tucker Carlson recently had an interview with Senator Ted Cruz, you need to watch it.

[Avicenna]

@Datboi65: Tucker doesn’t have any special
Insight into Trump and none of what you said has any factual basis nor does it make sense.

[Datboi65]

Did you watch the goddamn interview or not? Don't try to go on discrediting it before you even watch it.

Here it is in full:

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[Jersey2]

Your poll is nonsense as the non-Trump supporters are voting as well since there are inly 2 options and we know what they will pick.

[AviatorTom]

At my age, I'm staying home, regardless of what happens. 😐

[Anonymous]

Even if he didn't tell me to go to war. Hell, I'm ready to kill some people just for the fun of it. I don't care if there's a war or not. I'm eager to get my hands bloody.

[Asker]

You need serious help dude

[lightbulb27]

hormones and corrupt emotions. Little boys run around and shoot each other with make believe guns, it's wired into us. have you considered killing yourself? That's what Christianity talks about to address this problem... die to yourself. Then you can live freely... because the old you is dead, and you raise to life in Christ's spirit. That's a daily exercise.
you might still end up killing people, but you don't want to, it's not your desire... which is different than desiring to kill people. the issue is the heart.
turn off the news, and work on yourself before you ruin your life. It's a very corrupt world, don't get sucked into it anymore than you have to.

[Datboi65]

Average MAGA zoomer

[exitseven]

I am really too old to fight but I am sure there would be a place for me in the military

[Sal_Monella]

There will be no troops on the ground. Air and sea war only

[Anonymous]

The only thing I care about is that Iran does not get nukes. I don't think we will go to war, they are already getting their ass kicked by a country the size of New Jersey.

[Vegasrunner]

You mean will they send their kids? That's a more accurate question.

[Anonymous]

No, that political decision was the biggest mistake in the last few years, along with the counterproductive military help to Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

We are not at war with Iran. The Ayatollah is now hiding in his safe space just hoping that the Iranian citizens don't slice his throat.

[chrissykerdock]

there won't be a ground war

[red-lipstick-girl]

What kind of fool would agree to such a thing?

[FunkyMonkee]

No. That's what democrats are for!

[dustybiker2]

Expected this my friend lol

[Anonymous]

Yes. I'd join any crusade against Iran.

[Pterodon]

As a veteran yes I would

[Anonymous]

Yes I will. What about you?

[dustybiker2]

Hahaha

[Anonymous]

no sympathy towards buyers remorse

[Anonymous]

Draft the jews first.