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Well, this is going to get me crucified based on this ratio, but I support Isreal. I'm not going to sit here and call them saints, but the conflict is far more complicated than either side is willing to make it and both sides of this have dirty hands. The difference is one hand is covered in a cup of blood and the other is drenched with buckets of it. I feel bad for the civilians caught in the crossfire, but this is a war where the woman walking up to the aid cart might have a baby or might have a bomb.
Yes Israel has bombed hospitals and schools. Where do you think the terrorists are hiding on purpose? They aren't going out of their way to kill woman and children they're shooting through them because the alternative is they get shot instead. What's Israel supposed to do when HAMAS fires rocket out a hospital window? Just let them keep killing Israelis?
I condemn Isreal's illegal expansion into Syria and the Lavant as a blatant violation of international law but Israel as a state does have a right to exist within it's internationally recognized boundaries and they have a right to defend themselves. That said these are not "Buffer Zones" this is illegal expansion because they are using resources and displacing people on land that does not belong to their international boundaries. You are not allowed to exploit the resources of disputed territory during war.
However! I remember 9/11, I remember ISIS I remember the cost the cult of Islam has had on the world and the amount of blood rape terror and pain it has caused as a disgusting ideology as bad as the Nazi's and guilty of all the same sins and then some. Islam is evil disgusting and violent and must be eradicated for the sake of the people in the middle east as much as for international safety.
Look at Iran. The religious zealots there have seized a monopoly on violence and taken a country that used to look like 70s America with similar rights and freedoms and turned it into a zealot theocratical dictatorship that oppresses its people enslave woman and the majority of it's own people despise and want to go away.
There are all kinds of arguments to be made about all the different wars we've had in the middle east that you can make at the end of the day what it comes down to is this. Since the founding of this country the Islamic cultists in the middle east have been trying to rape loot and kill us.
This all started with the barbery wars where Islamic pirates attacked our ships unprovoked butchered our people and enslaved them and stole our nations property. Ever since then our gripes have expanded and it's been a back and forth of them trying to kill us or help people trying to kill us and us reminding them, they don't stand a chance in hell.
Islam is evil violent and oppressive by it's nature and always has been, and it needs to die both Suni and Shia (especially Shia) because until it is there will never be peace in the middle east, and they'll never stop killing us or each other. Just look at Syria right now? It's devolved into civil war of a bunch of ethnic groups killing each other in small scale genocide.
The reason we keep on needing regime change is because the middle east left alone appoints terrorists and tyrants to power that want to kill us all, so the alternative is kill them and leave a power vacuum or kill them and replace them with a friendly face. We can spout ethics all day long, but we live in reality where there is no Koom By Ya to be had with groups like Hezbollah, HAMAS, ISIS, The Houthis and the Taliban.
Sometimes there are only gross pragmatic solutions to heinous problems and at the end of the day I'm a realist and pragmatist because if you look at how things should be instead of how they really are you'll never fix anything. Yes, regime change can fail, it also sometimes succeeds and in the case of Iran around 80% of the people are not happy and want their rights back.
There's a lot of support for the old sha's son to come home and act as a transitional government figure. If this goes well we could take out the worlds biggest funder of terrorism and create a state where a group of oppressed people might finally be free and we can fix the mess we made there or at least start to try to.
No one here is free of sin in this conflict not Isreal, not Iran not us we all have blood on our hands but at the end of the day one is a terrorist government and the others are trying to maintain global order and maintain global stability and keep the peace as much as possible in the world which is to say not very much. Iran can't have nukes or continue to exist as it does currently. The current government cannot be allowed to exist.
If you really care about Palestine, you will condemn Iran and HAMAS. Hell, a lot of the people of Palestine blame HAMAS for the war not Isreal. HAMAS is an oppressor that is nearly as bad as ISIS was and they're own people aren't safe from their butchery. They live every day knowing if they step out of line or defend their daughter when a terrorist is horny, they're a dead man don't forget that. When people are stoned it's their neighbors that do it under state supervision. They force the people to partake in the violence or be punished.
This is also part of why Isreal is blocking aid to Gaza. The moment it's delivered HAMAS steals it from the refugees who need it at gun point and use it to control the people and force them to do their will or they will starve them and their family's to death. None of the aid is going to the people who actually need it most of the time it's just a roundabout form of support for HAMAS.
Anyways I gave a balanced well researched and carefully thought out take on the conflict so naturally people are going to rip me a new one in the comments bellow and to that I say, have at it. In the words of Rick Sanchez "Your boo's mean nothing to me I've seen what makes you people cheer."
Those of you saying I'm being unfair to Israel or to Gaza or Iran get bent. To the overly pro-Israel people I've seen all your rants on twitter and they're just as annoying as the cock suckers worshiping Hasan, Diddy, Adolf, Epstein, baby oil, piker's tiny crusty sack. If you can't see theirs nuance to all sides of this than I can't help that you're stupid.
Ultimately, I am on the side of the PEOPLE of Isreal. Not the dictator Netanyahu but I do stand with the Jewish people. They have been through enough and they have a right to their home and to live without being in fear every second of every day. They're our allies and Iran and the terrorists want us dead just as much as they want Isreal dead. We have mutual enemies and need each other for strategic reasons to keep our people safe as best we can. I'm being pragmatic here and if you can't see that this is the realistic take then I can't help you.
Palestine 🇵🇸, obviously
Palestine lost any moral credibility the second it turned to terrorism. Israel lost it by failing to build bridges with it's neighbours.
We were at war with Germany twice, millions died yet in a few years we made peace. America nuked Japan yet they made peace. Yet with these two neither side seems to want peace so fuck them both.
Palestine, of course.
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I don't take sides. I'm for world peace, whatever it takes.
I'm surprised this pol shows overwhelming support for Palestine, considering that GaG users are mostly conservative. Liberals generally support Palestine. Conservatives generally either support Israel or remain neutral.
Then again, as this is written, there are only 7 votes (72%, 14%, 14%)
There are 20 votes now, still overwhelming for Palestine. (55%, 10%, 35%)
Neither at this point. It has been going on nonstop for 75 years. Netanyahu and Likud are Fascists. Hamas are religious extremists and terrorists who have brought nothing but suffering to the Palestinian people.
If they worked together they could have a great economy on that little patch of land. Instead they keep killing each other.
OK, shut off the humanitarian aid and just ship in weapons. Let's get it over with.
I'm not sure when lefts decided to betray their own ideals of progressive views for Islamic conservatives ones but I didn't and never will. And don't worry Conservative Jewish ideals are also bad so neither.
Get rid of both be done with it.
Neither. Palestinians chose Hamas to their power. Yes, i know they were forced to otherwise they would have been killed - yes , and now they are been killed by Israelis.
And Israel just bomb those poor basterds left and right. Like what is the objective here? Just to bomb the fuck out of everything and everyone? That is the whole plan? Trump should say to them to stop bombing Gaza.
I'm all for Israel going after Hamas. But the mass scale genocide that has taken place in the name of destroying the Hamas terrorists, and been allowed by the rest of the world, is unconscionable.
I'm on the side of all the innocent people who have been injured or killed despite never having been politically active.
Israel, why would you support Islamic Terrorists? Israel is just defending itself.
they should both stop before they end up doing the final fight with sticks and stones.
I would rather the US not be involved with the Israel-Palestine affairs but if i must pick a side, i'd say Israel because it was clearly the victim of the October 7th attack.
I support Palestine, they are just defending themselves.
They can fight all they want, as long as the don't keep getting America involved... This has nothing to do with America.
Israel! They've been avoiding genocide since escaping the nazi effort set forth by hitler.
I'm more in favor of Palestine these days.
Palestine.
israel as jesus is a jew
NONE. not my business either.
Israel 100%
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