Which side are you on?

[Anonymous]

Israel🇮🇱🇮🇱

İ'm not İsraeli.

Come on, Israel.

You?

Israel.

Palestine.

[DaisyM23]

Hamas managed to break out of Gaza, which is basically a concentration camp/prison type of living situation, and attacked Israel, who have consistently oppressed and killed them in the last 70 years or so. Yes killing civilians is bad on whatever side you're on but it seems people are only caring now when it's Israelis dying and not when Palestinians were. And the worst thing is that we all know that, without a massive surprise or miracle, Palestinians are going to go through more absolute hell for however long this 'war' will last and it won't end until one side is completely run down. And all the people who are so anti-Palestine, if you were in their situation, if you were trapped under constant surveillance on a tiny strip of land and being discriminated against and oppressed, are you saying you wouldn't fight back?
Israel are justifying their actions now as retaliation but I think Hamas retaliated against years of injustice and everyone's ready to throw so much support and money to Israel

[Joshydavid25]

At least Israelis called their Palestinian friends and told them to get to safety.. Can't say the same for Palestinians..

[strateguy632]

to daisy, content camp, it is only small on a map. gaza has several cities and space to move around not like prison. isreal usually lets in "truckloads of humanitarian aid," not concentration camp, some which is used to assemble the weapons from construction tubes and construction dynamite etc.

[DaisyM23]

@strateguy632 there was a barrier going around gaza keeping them in with the sea on the other side, the world's largest open air prison with around 2 million people reliant on a zionist government that hates them for resources, and now israel are planning to cut the supply chain - i just find it ironic how much jewish people had gone through with the holocaust yet turn around and create a similar situation just 70 years down the line

[EmanTerces]

@DaisyM23

You do realize that Israel owes them nothing, right? They're not Israeli citizens. The aid they are getting from Israel is from humanitarian grounds. It's not something that Israel owes them.

[DaisyM23]

@EmanTerces if you blockade a country after taking all their land how else will they get anything? they're on a tiny strip of land with plenty of resources that they can't access because of israel, it's not a case of humanitarian grounds, they have deliberately made palestine dependent on them for all the necessities to do exactly what they're doing now

[Joshydavid25]

Israel and Egypt put up blockades because of all the in fighting that was going on in Palestine at the time.. So it's thanks to Hamas.. Hamas also was said to take resources from the public and use it to build their weapons.. Also the British gave Israel to the Jews from Europe after the Holocaust, since Europe wasn't exactly hospitable to them for all these centuries.. Not saying that Israels response was right, but context is key..

[DaisyM23]

@Joshydavid25 you can't just 'give' a country to people with claim to the land from thousands of years ago, peace was never possible for this kind of settler colonialism
and fighting took place because they wanted freedom, ANYONE in the same boat would do the same, yet it's Israel being labelled as the victim when they have all the advantages and the context of continuously oppressing Palestinians, no one is focusing on the thousands of Palestinians dying and millions going without water, food, electricity, yet people keep focusing on the claims of Hamas beheading children with no evidence, and of the Israeli rave which took place right by Gaza

[EmanTerces]

I wonder why nobody is talking about the foreign citizens killed in Israel as a result of the Hamas attack. I wonder how exactly Thais and Nepalese are at fault here.

[Joshydavid25]

The Palestinians had multiple opportunities to be a peace treaty where they would share the land with Israel... They didn't want that, so it's definitely not about freedom.. Palestinians and Hamas had chances not to be in the position that they were in.. Not saying that Israels response was right or that the Israeli government is innocent.. But, overall it seems that Israel prefers peace.. So Hamas isn't terrorizing for freedom, it's terrorizing because it wants to eradicate Israel.. And many Palestinians probably agree with that sentiment.. Hamas got voted in after all.. The ultimate victim are the people who are not Hamas or the Zionist getting in the crossfire.. Truth the Palestinians acted childish and unfortunately that "open aired prison" was the result.. It's unfortunate what they went through, but some of that was a result of their own stubbornness and allowing Hamas to take charge..

[DaisyM23]

@Joshydavid25 which country are you from? if you were living there your entire life, your ancestors lived there etc, and suddenly another group of people with claims to the same land from YEARS ago comes and is given half your land, how would you react? of course they all had the chance for peace but it was a peace that was entirely unequal with how israel has been backed by the west - israel have taken their land, their homes, killed their families, and in the first instance hamas attack them first the whole world is crying - killing civilians will always be bad, but people will forget about the palestinians until it's too late

[Joshydavid25]

I'm in the U. S.. And the British already took the land, like I mentioned they just gave it to the Israelis.. Besides that was part of the Otterman Empire, and if you know anything about them.. They took all types of land.. And the peace treaty was for Israel and Palestine to share the land and live in peace.. It wasn't unequal.. In fact you can focusing on Israels response to Palestine.. When Palestine has been trying to eliminate Israel since the beginning.. Also, that wasn't the first instance.. Hamas' entire creed was the elimination of Israel and the Jews.. They don't want them off the land, they want them all dead.. And if showed when they parade dead bodies on the streets..

In fact if you look at it one way, it was their land, the Arabs stole it, and they took it back.

[DaisyM23]

@Joshydavid25 what's the point of going back centuries and centuries for land claim - if you're American, then i guess you would be fine with native americans having claim to the entirety of the land? i live in the uk, so i guess i can say i'm fine with people descended from vikings and romans coming back?

you can't call a treaty peaceful when it takes half your land away and gives it to people with claims from literal thousands of years ago, life doesn't work like that, and palestinians actually opened their homes for jewish people when the rest of Europe had been persecuting them for centuries - i recently watched a debate with palestinians and israelis, a lot of good points were brought up but what struck me was when an israeli was asked to tell where his great-grandparents were from, he said hungary, whilst the palestinian said palestine - so palestinians have been living there for many many years and it's their home

just because the British gave the land doesn't make it anymore legitimate, colonisers have no claim to any land they steal

[Joshydavid25]

You keep talking about stolen land this, stolen land that.. The Palestinians didn't have ownership to the land known as Israel.. They just wanted it. Their ancestors stole the land during the Otterman Empire, you can't skipping over that part.. You can't be mad because the British gave the Jews back land that they thought was theirs.. Wasn't the Jews fault.. You can talking as if the Jews came and just it, no it was gifted to them..

As for the peace treaty, that makes little sense.. Why not live peacefully with the Israelis? Just cause you wanna own some land that you stole centuries ago?

[Joshydavid25]

Damn so many errors in my paragraphs.. 😅

[DaisyM23]

@Joshydavid25 jewish people in the middle east had been exiled from their lands from BCE, so even before the ottomans that's what i was referring to, and on through the middle ages when they were in Europe so technically palestinians have lived on the land for longer in modern times, every country's history goes somewhat back to invasion or settlers
and britain had no real right to gift anyone land, their colonialism has caused LOTS of problems including leading to conflict in the middle east

[Joshydavid25]

So basically you're okay with the Ottoman (apologies for spelling it wrong all this time) colonizing land, but when the Jews and the British do it, it's a sin? Basically I could justify it with they were just taking their land back.. Britain had every right to give it because it was their land.. According to you they took it fair and square.. So at this point its not about rights.. Your just Pro-Palestine..

[EmanTerces]

@DaisyM23

If we start calling out the things the British did during the colonial era then a lot of things could get messed up. A lot of nations were colonized by the British and they have created many borders all over the world. I'm from India and the British partitioned our country as well. The difference is that rest of us have accepted the reality. Palestine didn't accept it that's why Israel retaliated by force. Sure the whole argument about rights is fine but there's also a thing called being practical. What Palestinian leaders and especially Hamas has been doing is bad for the Palestinians themselves.

[DaisyM23]

@Joshydavid25 but it wasn't the ottomans who had taken their land, jewish people had been expelled from numerous countries BEFORE the ottomans even came and even then the middle east had numerous islamic empires taking over, you can't justify taking land in which your only connection is from thousands of years ago, colonialism has been wrong whoever's done it but different countries colonised differently - and who did i say took the land fair and square, i said britain had no right to give any land and therefore israel's claim is also murky, if it was a true two state practiced back then that's another story but it's easy for me to say when my homeland hasn't been divided between two vastly different groups of people

[DaisyM23]

@EmanTerces but there's conflict ongoing due to how britain and other countries left their previous colonies, india and pakistan haven't accepted the borders drawn from britain either with disputes over kashmir
palestine had the right not to divide their land as well, especially when it was to share the land with jewish people who were mostly european
hamas' first attack has had dire consequences for palestinians in escalating the conflict but israel has been doing this for years, it's just become much worse

[lightbulb27]

I favor Isreal for various reasons, but I have an idea why the other side is disgusted and willing to cut childrens heads off, murder their parents on tv, etc... and that's coming soon. I don't know if they are doing that, but they could, would in a second, and kill anyone. There's nothing like sadness, rage, hate to fuel the human spirit. Isreal... does the same by shooting them, but they generally speaking, more civilized and I'd get along better and trust them more.

If I read more history, maybe that change a bit. The oppressed/those whom lost are always more murderous, as they are fighting from a weak position. So they look like the bad people.

Thing is... I'm not concerned about Isreali commandos murdering my family in a terrorist act. It's possible, it's happened before to others, but that is rare. That's selfish, but what it comes down to. Whom do I trust to live next to and fly on a plane with?

Islamic terrorists... we know what they will do. Their mentality is different, and dangerous.

It is very hard to end this conflict, only stabilize for a period of time.

Lets hope we all don't get killed...

[strateguy632]

close but missing an important detail, i invite you to see my recent mytake on those topics. by clicking my username and going to mytake section and finding the topic.

[lightbulb27]

@strateguy632 which one... about the Bible?

[love_conquers_lust]

https://nypost.com/2023/10/08/german-tattoo-artist-shani-louk-idd-as-woman-paraded-through-streets-by-hamas/

“Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.”

Root the Hamas out, root and stem. Do Islamists not see the wickedness of their ways? Do the Jews not see the wickedness of theirs? Stop the cycle.

Don’t beat fucking ANYONE and don’t be fucking greedy.

Don’t kill each other, stop creating refugees and stop leaving behind widows.

You are owed nothing and entitled to nothing without the consent of others, that’s the path that Jesus walked.

Do not be the shepherd that leads the lambs to slaughter.

[Anonymous]

It's important to note that even Palestinians in Gaza suffering retaliation from Israel do not support the tactics of Hamas particularly their treatment of hostages. https://www.thedailybeast.com/gaza-horrified-by-hamas-isis-style-threat-to-kill-hostages-on-camera

[imran_]

This is called double standard. As always

[Imsmurter1]

Yeah Palestinians and Hamas are not one and the same

[OfMiceandMen]

Not really on any side. They've been at each others throats for years (more at war than at peace) than anyone else in the world.

I can't see it stopping any time soon. I feel for innocent people affected by the terrorism, but it seems to be something that'll never go away.

[boggboss]

Neither both sides have atrocities at their hands how gaza has been treated it terrble but it dont make the actions of hamas justifiable either the whole situation is simply a fucking mess

[strateguy632]

the difference between death and death is different targets. israel chose buildings used for battle as targets, intending battle not targeting the civilians as an act of hate, in contrast to gaza arabs and the numerous stabbers or shooters in west bank with many recent acts of hate almost every day there in September and October.

[boggboss]

Yet civilians are killed on both sides people that have absolutely no involvement in the actual conflict let's not pretend that their are not numerous abuses levied at the feet of Israel from Palestinian civilians neither side is the good guy in this situation

[Joshydavid25]

The difference is that Hamas specifically targets civilians, and even parades around with them.. Whereas The Israeli force tried not to target Civilians, but they were very unfortunate casualties..

[boggboss]

Yes a terrorist group targets civilians whilst givements army targets hamas and knows civilians will be effected but doesn't care either way even with the givenent stating they will cut of power and water to the region knowing the vast majority of people effected will be civilians again neither side can claim to be the good guy here

[Joshydavid25]

Civilians will get hurt regardless unfortunately.. But I don't see Israel parading around Dead naked women on the streets like Hamas.. Truth is this has been a conflict dating back decades.. Maybe you are right that there is no bad or good side.. But, they tried to make peace with Palestine, but they didn't bite..

[boggboss]

I'm not sure why so many are acting like this was a attack from Palestine when it's clearly not their is a reason we are saying hamas and not Palestinian they are not one in the same

[Joshydavid25]

Hamas is the governing body of the Gaza strip.. So Hamas are Palestinians.. But I also see what you are saying.. The Palestinian people are not Hamas and I agree..

[Starrrboy]

None... both sides are religious fanatics with a fake sense of superiority who would absolutely violate the other when they have the chance... but tbh I'd rather anyone win but radical Muslims... Muslims are just barbaric.. when they dominate it's the worst thing ever ...

[strateguy632]

actualy israel is mostly secular. and only arabs are using hostages.

[Starrrboy]

@strateguy632 both are doing terrible stuff 🤷‍♂️...

[normalice]

I don't understand the situation well enough to back either side but the latest attack makes me lean towards Israel.

[disgustingweebtrash]

@normalice
you with western countries: western countries are ran by the far right and are very racist & white supremacist
Israel does all those things but catered to those of the Jewish faith: it's ok because the latest attack I saw on the media made me feel bad for Israel
the cognitive dissonance must hurt sometimes

[normalice]

I guess that was related to what I wrote?

[disgustingweebtrash]

Are you unable to recollect your views on other aspects of society or do you treat everything as an individual case? I know that you are basically a Qtard but the far left version, but yet here you sit supporting Israel, funny how a state that emulates every aspect of Western society you critique is the one you are supporting, if a terror attack happened in the West you would say "oh its because white people are being racist to them so its understandable they react this way"

[normalice]

@disgustingweebtrash are you sure you're replying to the correct person?

[disgustingweebtrash]

I'm absolutely replying to the correct person and you know that yourself, you're just playing stupid. You literally believe that the right wing control all the media, you're no different to a tin foil hat qtard

[normalice]

@disgustingweebtrash I literally have no idea what you're talking about, other that maybe you're just another ragetard on a rage binge?

[disgustingweebtrash]

Wdym? You state it here, do you constantly live in the present or something?
Why is the left so obsessed with virtue signaling? ↗

[normalice]

@disgustingweebtrash I'm not going to read backstory to help you through your rage buzz.

[disgustingweebtrash]

That's fine, I am actually glad to see you support Israel, it reminds me how much people like you are nothing more than useful idiots who don't actually think about anything

[normalice]

@disgustingweebtrash a 'lean' is not really support. But the fact that far right ragetards like you react with such mouthfoam over it makes me think maybe I should lean a little further 🤔

[disgustingweebtrash]

Now you're splitting hairs but I agree, you should lean further, but you'll just lean whichever way the "right wing media" tells you, ironic that you claim all media is owned by the right wing but then conspicuously change your view depending on the media.

[normalice]

@disgustingweebtrash usually effective trolling at least requires evidence of basic reading comprehension. You're just blurting out nonsense 😅

[normalice]

@disgustingweebtrash I understand the words but not how they apply to this conversation.

[disgustingweebtrash]

So I was correct in saying you were dumb and correct again when I said
"Are you unable to recollect your views on other aspects of society or do you treat everything as an individual case?" You're treating this as an individual case when i'm calling you out on your other incompatible views with your current view on Israel
Nothing more needs to be said, you're a useful idiot.

[normalice]

@disgustingweebtrash It's unlikely that you were correct. You haven't considered how little your ragetarded opinion means to me, rendering me uninterested in putting any effort whatsoever into figuring out what you're talking about.

[disgustingweebtrash]

You must be affected since you're reporting my posts, despite claiming to be uninterested, you seem to be the ragetarded one, trying to hide it under some guise of disinterest

[normalice]

@disgustingweebtrash I haven't reported your posts. Being a ragetard isn't a reportable offense. Maybe for trolling but I'm too lazy today.

[disgustingweebtrash]

For such a lazy person you reply a lot

[normalice]

@disgustingweebtrash yeah, as you're well aware, replying doesn't necessitate the work of understanding 😅

[geneturd]

Yeah, surely lets forget from 2008 to 2020, more than 5,000 palestinians were killed as compared to only 200 Israelis. Also, what choice is there to other than to retaliate when you've been attacked and had your lands virtually taken over by Israeli settlers? What would the United States do if they found Chinese presence in their land? Would they not retaliate by assault?

[normalice]

@geneturd under democratic administrations the US always attempts diplomacy and intelligence first. And Republicans find the most proximal oil field to plunder. Neither would retaliate by assault.

[Lliam]

🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

[strateguy632]

hating israel or pro palestine is just camouflage for people who won't say openly they hate jews.

[Lliam]

@strateguy632. Oh, of course. That could be the only explanation. And the only reason people hate Nazis is because they hate Germans.
You are brainwashed beyond belief.

[Joshydavid25]

Israel.. I'm not too sure about the conflict, but once I saw that Hamas was parading around dead naked women's body, I was like I wouldn't support that in anyway..

[imran_]

That was a fake video, please confirm before accepting anything.

[Joshydavid25]

@imran_ The girl from Germany wasn't fake.. And I didn't see any video..

[strateguy632]

i just can't side with arabs who use those awful tactics and cruel actions toward civilians to terrorize people into giving their demands.

[AviatorTom]

It's a sad situation and I prefer not to take sides. I hope, and pray, that the issues can be resolved peacefully.

[exitseven]

Israel has been an ally to the US for decades. One of the few countries in the middle east that I think can be trusted. I think we should back Israel.

[Lliam]

Yeah, attacking the USS Liberty was an accident.

[strateguy632]

and the ONLY democratic nation there, from Morocco across to Pakistan.

[RingOfFire]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/tN1MkAGuVyY

...

[disgustingweebtrash]

Neither situation benefits me, if Israel mows down Palestine then these Arabs will be sent to Europe as refugees, if Palestine kicks out Israelis.. then they have to go somewhere as well, perhaps they can go live in a reconstructed Ukraine

[Lliam]

Or those illegal colonists can go back where they came from. No countries are rounding up or exterminating Jews anymore. They don't need their own "homeland" to be safe.

[PhantomMenace22]

Neither

The right side is the civilians who are just trying to live a peaceful life.

[HippoDino]

Well, im not on the side that killed and captured innocent people thats fornsure.

[Anonymous]

I'm on team "peace". So naturally I'm supporting Israel.

Even if you were to support hamas's actions as just. Tell me how is kidnapping and raping Israeli women the act of a peaceful people.

[Berethor]

To be on the side of Palestine is to be on side of Terror.

[Sonorous]

I share the opinion that Tate has on this. Skip to 9:11

https://www.youtube.com/embed/MZnwKADiXc0

[AngryCarl2]

As far as I'm concerned they're all as bad as each other. The intransigence on both sides is mind-blowing. I think they just like fighting.

[Anonymous]

Hamas is currently engaged in ‘Fucking Around’ and the IDF is going to make sure that Hamas ‘Find Out’ and in typical IDF style which is really going cost Hamas.

[AmeerX]

No side for me. They need to make friendly relations instead.

[Twalli]

Palestine isn't fighting Israel, HAMAS is. Big difference.

[strateguy632]

good distinction from gaza. also many palestinian deadly attacks on smaller scale shooting and stabbing in recent weeks.

[strateguy632]

... attacking israelis in west bank

[Twalli]

@strateguy632 as long as they're not terrorists, we may stay out. If Hezbollah and West Bank terrorist cells start attacking Israel then the U. S. is at war.

[vj0090]

Israel... bcz my country has good relationship with them...

[Anonymous]

Hamas attacked civilians in their own homes in their own country. What kind of people think that’s okay? Israel 🇮🇱 100%

[Lliam]

Oh, and Israel hasn't been doing that for 75 years? Unfortunately, that is not publicized.

[Opinion Owner]

@Lliam Not publicized. Yet you believe in it wholeheartedly. Hamas will be destroyed and they brought it on themselves.

[Lliam]

For the dim witted, I mean it is not publicized in western media. It is actively suppressed. But the dim wits never suspect that they are being duped and led like sheep.

[Opinion Owner]

@Lliam You’re right. The horrific murders committed by Israel never sees the light of day but the executions by Hamas never get suppressed. Regardless, Hamas has pissed off Israel now and there’s no way to stop them from burying Hamas. Way to go.

[msc545]

Israel has been committing war crimes for years.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Both can disappear for good. Both hate God and Jesus Christ so I don't care for neither.

[Chthou95]

Neither. Other countries problems along with war isn't some social activity

[Anonymous]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/j-5Q7yuaXjM

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[Solo3k]

USA 🇺🇸 💥MERICUUUU

nobody else matters

[imran_]

Hypocrisy in it's peak. As always

[imran_]

I am discussing the perceived hypocrisy in the West. The same West that expresses concern for Ukraine, as they resist Russian occupation, appears to have a different stance when it comes to the Palestinians. According to international law, Palestine is under occupation, and their armed struggle is seen as legitimate. The world should support Palestine rather than the perceived illegitimate state of Israel. Numerous humanitarian organizations have labeled Israel as an apartheid state, including its own human rights organization. Shame on you guys, You can't even Cover your dirty colour as you are exposed again and again.

[strateguy632]

but even muslims not same side as those muslims who took hostages And are using hostages. west and israel aren't hypocrites about hostages.

[Anonymous]

I support the Palestinian cause but not Hamas.
I'd support Israel over Hamas.

[BCRanger10]

Hamas does the work of the Devil.

[AnusNdaPainus]

Team Palestine 🇵🇸

[Dargil]

I am not a Jew, but I am a Zionist.

[Kingofkings1992]

I don’t give a shit about either

[Chayce]

🖕🏿🇮🇱

[stratford]

This isn't a binary discussion.

[Lottifan]

Israel

[jahaims]

Idc about either

[Anonymous]

Why do I need to pick a side?

[jimmy2]

God is too