Have women turned their backs on the things that bring value to a man's life?

[Anonymous]

Things like cooking, homemaking, mothering (rather than working to pay for daycare). Is this why gender relations are so strained and marriage rates are so low?

[Dargil]

Modern educated are land mines for men. There’s nothing a woman can say or do to take the absurd risk to a man off the table. The marriage, divorce and child custody laws in this country need to change dramatically before it’s sensible for men to commit everything they are, everything they own, (including their relationship with their children) and everything they will ever earn to a woman.

Since that’s never going to happen, smart, stable, self respecting men have stopped marrying, for the most part. Women have only two uses: A pussy and a paycheck and men should pull the plug before they are compelled to marry and have children.

[Asker]

Exactly.

[Dargil]

I come from a Leave It To Beaver family and I fukking hate saying this.

[Anonymous]

I don't think most modetn guys think this way. I know I don't expect a woman to cook or clean for me. I would expect that she would co-parent.

But you do make good point in the sense that women do not want to carry thier traditional role anymore but still expect men to. And this is a point of contention. That last left the dating world toxic. And I still do not think we've seen the worst of it. I think the gender war is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.

[HighValue]

Marriage rates are worse now because of women's immorality. It isn't just that they are often lazy and don't want to contribute around the house, and also not contribute financially no matter how much money she makes (they often keep all of the money they earn for themselves), but having a past of promiscuity, being dishonest, cheating constantly (posting revealing pictures online, sending them to people, flirting online, etc. all ARE cheating and the majority of women do that now), and many women just using marriage to steal from men, making up lies in court in order to get majority custody of the kids so they can get child support and be lazy to get a free living, etc. all contribute to people not wanting to get married anymore. Too many examples of this all around us that make it very obvious that the MAJORITY of women are terrible people that would only make a man's life WORSE, not better.

If women want a gentleman/chivalry and to be provided for, then she needs to be a virgin, waiting for marriage, make no decisions without his approval, no smartphone, no social media, no tattoos, no nose piercings, no unnaturally colored hair, etc. but they are obviously hypocrites that only want benefits without any responsibilities on their part.

Most modern women are just filled with lies, greed, and selfishness. They are totally unfit as partners.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

They want their baby daddies to actually act like fathers rather than making their wives their mothers too. That’s all it is, and since women are no longer required either by law or social pressures to be married to specifically a man to survive, their standards have raised to wanting a complete individual to spend their life with, not a manchild.

[Asker]

Today's men work their asses off to provide for their families. But they are expected to do that, as they always have, plus what was traditionally the woman's role. At the same time, women have turned their backs on their traditional responsibilities. Today's women are hypocritical and can't be satisfied. They don't know what makes them happy, and when everything isn't perfect, they file for divorce even though they are married to a great man.

Women bring less and less to the table while expecting men to bring more and more. Women are destroying marriage.

What do you think is the REAL reason that this woman wants a divorce? ↗

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Well if you hate women this much there’s not much point in me, a woman, arguing with you, is there?

[Asker]

I don't hate women. I hate some behaviors of many women. I love women, especially the ones who are kind and unselfish.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Right, the ones that service you

[Asker]

I service them too. That's how a healthy marriage is supposed to work, sweetie.

[DrPepper12]

Ummm... Hate to be THAT guy but it's not women's responsibility in any way to bring value to a man's life.

[Asker]

Of course it's not a responsibility, but if they want to get and keep a good man, they do need to brings certain things to the table, just like men do.

[Shiprex]

I'd disagree, the whole point of evolution and survival is to procreate. That means getting together and having a relationship. If it's more costly to be in a relationship than not why would anyone want to do that? Men haven't had their "choices" liberation moment have they? Women have been mounted on pedestal then raised by men's adherence to traditional sacrifice to support the social upheaval that promoting women into power and supporting more competitive job market and the corresponding stagnation of wages and been expected to "Work on themselves" = work harder to be at the same level as women who've been given all the leg ups a female dominated education system and capitalist run society that wants more workforce for the same cost. They won, men built tge society that fucked them over

[Anonymous]

Absolutely but then men today aren't generally of the quality of our fathers and grandfather's.

Marraige statistics are hard because many are in common law marraiges to get welfare

[exitseven]

I think a lot if them are. They see on TV women that have big careers, hot husbands and adorable kids that they never seem to have to take care of

[Anonymous]

You can't do those things you don't hold much value yourself. A marriage is shared. Balance. And that balance is unique to the couple.

[Asker]

Of course.

[Anonymous]

Have men turned their backs on the things that bring value to a woman's life? Hmm?

[Asker]

What specifically have men turned their backs on that bring value to a woman's life? Hmm?

[Opinion Owner]

Fixing things, building things, being chivalrous gentlemen.

[Asker]

I fix and build things all the time, and so do most guys I know. My friend and I just reroofed my house. I built a shed in our backyard last year. Last month I installed a new water softener. Next weekend I'll be adding a brick retainer wall in our front yard. My friends do the same kinds of things all the time.

Chivalry died when women killed it. You are just another example of modern women expecting men to fulfill traditional male gender roles while refusing to fulfill female gender roles but expecting men to fulfill many traditional female gender roles too. Very hypocritical.

[Leanne2406]

I hope I’ve brought my children up to love homecoming and wanting to look after her family with her husband! And if not well he did t appreciate her 👌🏻

[beefcakebradybatson]

And vice versa far too often.

[Asker]

True, but we're talking about women here.