Democrats why do you reject libertarians?

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Im a libertarian. Im not a ultra far right capitalist or a "selfish greedy corporate"

Im a distributist capitalist.

I beleive in decentralization and distributive aid. Im against globalism. My left: Cultural autonomy, workers rights and neurodivergence acceptance. My right wing views: Storng Border security, critical of LGBTQ. I believe in freedom of culture and respect black culture. I want america to return to pragamtic tradition values but also have progressive modern freedom. I believe in left libertarian modern freedom, not excessive that leads to regressive.

I believe in humanitarianism and I am skeptical of the rich elites and politicians.

Me and you have some common ground, but where we differ you guys can label me "far right" or "racist" or "Xenophobic"

I believe in huaminitarian treatment of immigrants and maybe some a pathway to citizenship, but for the most part I believe there's a border crisis.

I used to be a liberal when i was 14, and then i became a independant left lean and then independant right lean. Then now im a libertarian, who is tired of both partys bs. Especially neoconservative suppor for Israel. I very heavily disagree with them and agree with you guys that israel is occupying Gaza/ commiting a genocide.

I dont trust israel and see them as an existential threat.

ODC2112 · Accepted Answer

As far as I'm concerned, you're a perplexed person.
Defining yourself as a libertarian and for distributism is an oxymoron, as distributism and libertarianism are antithetical. Libertarianism (in the classical Anglo-Saxon version) emphasizes a free market without state interference, unlimited private property, minimal state intervention, and no forced redistribution. It is often associated with radical individualism and market meritocracy; reverse distributism originates from Catholic social thought (Chesterton and Belloc): he wants widespread and capillary distribution of property (land, businesses, and means of production), avoiding both capitalist monopoly and socialist collectivism. Historically, to do this, it involves rules and interventions that fragment large concentrations of capital, favoring small businesses and families.
A libertarian would say, "If the market produces giants, let them grow." On the contrary, a distributor would say, "If the market produces giants, let's break them up for social equity." So distributism implies an active role for the state, or at least strong regulations (antitrust laws, wealth limits), while libertarianism wants the opposite.
"I believe in decentralization and distributive aid."

Decentralisation is typically libertarian (distributed power, local government, less central state).
Distributive aid is anti-libertarian and implies a certain degree of public intervention to redistribute, which is difficult to reconcile with pure libertarianism, as redistribution is seen as state coercion within it.

"I'm against globalism."

This stance is typical of right-wing authoritarianism/identitarianism, which is antithetical to libertarianism and favours global free trade.

"My left: Cultural autonomy, workers' rights, neurodiversity acceptance. Cultural autonomy is consistent with libertarian decentralization."

Workers' rights: If you mean rights guaranteed by law (e. g., minimum wage), it's anti-libertarian. If you mean the the freedom of spontaneous unionisation, it can be compatible, but a libertarian would hardly accept the possibility of having to negotiate with a union.
Neurodiversity acceptance: a progressive cultural position, purely anti-libertarian."

"My right-wing views:Strong border security, critical of LGBTQ+ Strong border security"

reflects nationalism, which is typical of right-wing views; however, it contradicts the libertarian idea of free movement, as this stance is fundamentally anti-libertarian.

Critical of LGBTQ: ultra anti-libertarian, because libertarianism is ultra-individualistic (everyone does what they want as long as they don't harm others).

"Freedom of culture and respect for Black culture"

is consistent with libertarian cultural pluralism.

"Return to pragmatic traditional values but also have progressive modern freedom."

This is an oxymoron in itself: "traditional values" imply binding social norms, while "modern progressive freedoms" imply the removal of cultural constraints.

"Left libertarian modern freedom, not excessive, which leads to regression"

Left libertarianism exists as a current (close to anarcho-socialism or mutualism), but it is usually pro-LGBT, pro-migration, and anti-border, so it is very different from "strong border security" and "critical of LGBTQ."

"I believe in humanitarianism, and I am skeptical of the wealthy elites and politicians."

Being a humanitarian is compatible (if voluntary). Suspicion towards the elite is typical of libertarians. But if it involves regulating the wealthy or limiting their wealth, it becomes anti-libertarian.

"Humanitarian treatment of immigrants and perhaps a pathway to citizenship, but for the most part, I believe there's a border crisis."

Deeply anti-libertarian. This stance is a paleoconservative position.

"I used to be a liberal when I was 14, then became an independent left-leaning, then an independent right-leaning. Now I'm a libertarian, tired of both parties' BS."

Many libertarians define themselves as "anti-party" and position themselves outside the US duopoly. The route is common: disappointment from both extremes, namely the "libertarian third way."
"Especially neoconservative support for Israel."

Libertarianism is opposed to neoconservatism and endless wars. He hates alliances that cost taxes and blood.
I strongly disagree with them and agree with you guys that Israel is occupying Gaza / committing a genocide. Libertarian (in a non-interventionist sense)
A libertarian doesn't want the US to fund Israel or fight wars for Israel. It's not libertarian if it implies that the US government should "punish Israel," because it intervened anyway. But the idea of "not giving money to Israel" is 100% libertarian.
"I don't trust Israel and see them as an existential threat."

Pure libertarianism doesn't talk about "existential threats" because it doesn't justify military interventionism. If you are referring to the US policy when you say "threat," then that is acceptable, as it poses a threat to non-interventionism.
Libertarians see everything in black and white. So either you agree with 100% of their thinking, or you're a statist.

You are not a libertarian in the American sense but a reformist European socialist with strong populist and communitarian leanings.

Chazmatazz269 · Accepted Answer

The modern left isn’t what our classical liberals were. They’re a complete perversion, i would say. Watching and listening to classical liberals criticize the modern left has been a wake up call for some. Seeing how quickly the modern leftists turn on their predecessors and contemporaries who disagree with them or challenge them, even more so.
If you don’t concede that they are superior to you in every way and agree with everything they say and do, you are the enemy. And the enemy must be destroyed. There is no longer room for intellectual exchange and respectful discourse. They are right and you are wrong.
They really aren’t liberals at all, let alone progressive. The modern left is regressive totalitarianism.

So stop trying to gain favor. They don’t want you. You’re too rational and open minded for them anyway.

CupcakeTheDestroyer · Accepted Answer

You made it clear with one aspect: critical of LGBTQ culture. If you’ve fallen for the idea that being queer is somehow inherently wrong, you’re not really welcome on the American left-wing parties as this is the group fighting for queer rights.

OneViewpoint · Answer

Because Libertarians are basically Flat Earthers. You believe in crazy shit that has never worked, doesn't work, and will never work. Capitalism and Communism have their undeniable flaws but Libertarianism is a fucking joke intellectually.

Avicenna · Answer

Libertarianism is actually was far right really is. As you can see, many of your positions are anathema to leftists, who are increasingly totalitarian control freaks.

seeyounexttuesday · Answer

you answered your own question. Anything that isn't their lunatic fringe toxic empathy makes you a racist nazi.

Anonymous · Answer

They aren't pure

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