APPARENTLY this is an attack ad?

[OddBeMe]

Dems should be ashamed

Repubs should be ashamed

[NathanDavis]

I said it back in 2014... and I still think the same

Trump is the best thing that could happen to America, lmao...

I really believe that introspection is a very valuable thing, and I do think America has never had it... but Trump, and all of what he represents and carries is going to show the worst in us

in us, all... no exceptions

and well... here we are...

[OddBeMe]

So tariffs that cost us 10t
People being snatched off the streets like the gestapo. No judicial review.
Trump lining his pockets while in office. Something our constitution says is wrong.

All ok to you?

[NathanDavis]

is that what you got from my comment? lol...

[goaded]

A million dead, a third unnecessarily, and America didn't learn. What's it going to take this time?

[NathanDavis]

@goaded America has learned the price of capitalism long time ago... it's more than worth to them, and so it is to us

something I've always said as well

if you have time to type on the internet, then you're a privileged person in this world... we take it for granted while for others is actually more than a luxury and that's America... and Germany too

we can spend all day complaining and condemning too... about how bad some other countries are and at the end of the day, guess what...

we'll go to our warm comfy bed to sleep well at nights... till the next day, we get up again and post about our outrage online

we all learned that as long as we have it better, we'll comply with it

[OddBeMe]

Oh just do this incremental. I also vote. Unlike half of america

[NathanDavis]

it's a third of eligible America, that doesn't vote... while the other two thirds, think, that their vote actually matters... lol

[goaded]

If voting didn't matter, people like you and Trump wouldn't be trying to convince people it doesn't.

[NathanDavis]

@OddBeMe can you please explain to your blind friend @goaded how Gerrymandering is an actual thing... and effectively used to neutralize millions of votes by manipulating districts on purpose, and with the only purpose to sway elections

and can you also explain to your blind friend about how both parties have done it many times before and will both defend their legal right to use it in order to neutralize the votes against and maximize the value of votes in favor so they can sway elections their way?

[goaded]

LMAO! Yes, I know gerrymandering is a thing, and many states passed constitutional amendments to ensure that it doesn't happen in their states. Democratic states. Republican states are shameless about it. That's why California had to have a referendum to allow them to counter Texas redistricting.

How do you undo gerrymandering, except by voting?

If voting didn't matter, people like you and Trump wouldn't be trying to convince people it doesn't. You can only cheat so much before decent people catch on.

This article lists the 10 worst gerrymanders. Republicans did the vast majority, and for examples of Democratic gerrymandering it has to look back to 1992 or even 1972,

samwang.substack.com/p/the-worst-10-gerrymanders

[NathanDavis]

@goaded people already voted but it didn't matter...

to the Supreme Court... they did rule OUT the voting of the people, or ruled it IN in other instances

and not only with gerrrymandering they did that

for many other other things in which the people would vote a majority for something... the Supreme Court can rule it OUT against all those votes, if they feel like doing it so

[goaded]

How do you change SCOTUS, except by voting?

Why do you have nothing to say about gerrymandering in the 21st century being almost exclusively a Republican policy?

(I'm still waiting for an example of a single Biden nominee as bad as Hegseth, you seemed so sure that there were many in that other question.)

[NathanDavis]

@goaded not sure if you knew this but... Supreme Courts are not voted into their seats

they are appointed, lol

and in order to be appointed... you have to wait till they drop, which can take over 30 years in some cases, so no...

voting doesn't make any significant difference and only a willingly blind fool would convince itself of this, lol

[NathanDavis]

as for the other... you don't need to wait

it takes less of a second to type... and even less for the results to show up

it would be a good exercise for yourself to just admit that "your side" does wrong too, and a lot of it as well

[goaded]

Ha bloody ha. The SCOTUS is appointed BY POLITICIANS. They are voted in, and voted out. Congress can impeach justices, they can expand the court.

"voting doesn't make any significant difference"? So at least you've moved from "voting doesn't matter".

I've never claimed that "my side" never does anything wrong, just that the Republicans are between ten times and infinitely worse, depending on the subject. Far more gerrymandering. The only US president who wasn't willing to peacefully hand over power in history. The pardons of unrepentant convicted felons. A congress that does nothing as its power is stripped away. The party that protects pedophiles in their ranks. The party that takes health care away from poor people. The party that elected a convicted felon for president.

The list goes on and on.

[NathanDavis]

@goaded if we keep it real...

Justices are finger-pointed by lobbyists and groups of interest... and we all know which organization is that

Trump was given a short list of candidates, and he just said "this is my pick" when he had no idea of who these people were, that's just the reality

[NathanDavis]

Democrats have known about Epstein since decades ago... both sides have hired all these people, and used them or each other for advantage, both have cleared felons of their sentences, as usual...

and... the clear sign that you're just subjectively biased and always will be is your use of "superlatives" such as "infinitely worse"

I don't like either side, I don't trust either side, I never voted for any side myself and I do think people like you are the problem too... because you spend all of your days and years blaming the other side of being side just to keep your own side who is also WRONG

more or less wrong, is still very wrong... and at the end of the day, both of the people lose... we all lose, every single day that you and your political rivals worse about who is more of a devil, when you vote keep both devils in the throne

it's just stupid AF

a shot to the head... or a missile through your body... both will kill you...

[goaded]

"Infinitely worse" is exactly, mathematically, true.

Democratic presidents who failed to peacefully hand over power to their legally elected successor: 0.
Republicans presidents who failed to peacefully hand over power to their legally elected successor: 1.

1 is infinitely more than 0. Republicans are infinitely worse in that regard, and I suspect always will be because Democrats don't treat the law with contempt.

I can't wait to hear who you think "which organization" "we all know" finger-points Justices for presidents of both parties.

Again, we come back to the differences between Democrats and Republicans, and the Republicans are the bad actors.

Only the Republicans hold up a SCOTUS nomination because nine months is "too close to an election" then forced through another while voting has already started. It's mostly the Republican nominated (Federalist Society proposed) candidates who are ranked "not qualified" or just "qualified" by the ABA. Only Republican nominated "justices" said the president is legally allowed to sell pardons or order political opponents killed.

Trump knows who he's nominating, they're all people who say nice things about him and are willing to let him break laws with impunity. He always knew about Project 2025, and has hired people to implement most of it.

Your next lie: "both have cleared felons of their sentences, as usual".
Democratic presidents have pardoned people who have expressed remorse, or been the victims of unfair laws. Maybe a dozen dodgy last-day pardons of friends.

Please tell me how Trump wouldn't have gone after Hunter Biden if he hadn't been pardoned, I dare you. Even so, Trump wants to get Biden's pardons annulled.

Trump pardoned hundreds of seditionists and rioters who violently assisted in his attempt to steal the presidency in 2021, and fraudsters who paid him bribes who have gone on to go back to their old ways without paying back their victims.

[NathanDavis]

@goaded "one is infinitely more than zero"

I'm sorry I stopped reading there... lol

[goaded]

So you read that the only president to try to illegally cling to power was a Republican, then pretended you stopped reading because you know everything I said was true.

[NathanDavis]

@goaded I know it is ridiculous... but I'll read the rest tomorrow, lol

there's a coup going on right now, so I am more focused on that... lol

[goaded]

It's not a coup d'état, that would be internal, not ordered by a foreign government or using their military. So Trump just started a war for oil, and you still want to pretend both sides are the same?

The only coup involving Trump was his attempted self-coup in 2020/21.

[NathanDavis]

@goaded some sources indicate it was a negotiated exit... we'll see about that

no war is scheduled as so far... we'll see about that

Maduro was not a president, he was a dictator... and there's an entire regime, that fight will be an internal one, most likely

and if it were indeed, a negotiated capture... it might have been negotiated by someone that betrayed Maduro... we'll see about that

either way he is gone... GOOD RIDDANCE

[NathanDavis]

and for the last time... I didn't say both sides are the same per sé...

I am saying both sides do wrong, do bad, and do worse

[goaded]

It was still an illegal invasion with military force (not like Trump's stupid claims of invasions by desperate immigrants and drug dealers). A "negotiated exit" would have to be with the person who exited (like Trump attempted with Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro to save him from prison), not their enemies, that's kidnapping.

"some sources indicate"? Which ones? They're probably lying.

[NathanDavis]

@goaded you didn't forget about this... did you?

Biden Raises Bounty For Nicolás Maduro to $25 Million

The New York Times

if it was illegal when Trump ordered the arrest of Maduro and offered a reward for it

then it was also illegal when Biden did the same order to arrest of Maduro in exchange for 25 million dollars

you see, I keep telling you... both parties are not the same, but they did do the same thing...

order Maduro's capture, and offer big money in return

[NathanDavis]

and technically... speaking... it was the order of the NY Southern District (if I remember that correctly)

[goaded]

You think offering a reward is the same as invading a country?

"some sources indicate it was a negotiated exit"? Which ones? They're probably lying.

"Such rewards are widely considered more symbolic than a serious effort to effect an arrest. The $25 million bounty is an increase from a $15 million reward set by the Trump administration in 2020."

[NathanDavis]

@goaded so... if this targeting was an invasion

did Obama also invaded Pakistan when they killed Bin Laden?

extraction is not invasion... is it?

and yes... what Biden did was a RATIFICATION and VALIDATION of a lawful order by the courts in NY

both administrations, Republican and Democrat were effectively on the same page about Maduro

the only difference is, Epstein was not under pressure to cover up for the Epstein files... which he also had access too during his administration but refused to release...

[goaded]

You're saying bin Laden wasn't one of "those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States."? That's what the AUMF says.

Venezuela wasn't attacking the US. Venezuela had nothing to do with 9/11. Drug trafficking is not terrorism.

I'm assuming you meant Biden in that last part. The time when the documents were under court ordered seal for the Maxwell trial.

[NathanDavis]

@goaded yeah... those documents are still under courts ordered seals, even today

that's why Trump made it law, which is about the courts order... to be released

Biden could have done the same but you know... he had Epstein files people working for him too

[goaded]

No, they're not. And Trump signed the law, he didn't make it. On the contrary, he, Bondi, Patel, and Johnson spent months avoiding releasing the files, before a vote on the law became inevitable. At that point Trump told the Republicans in Congress who would have had to choose between protecting pedophiles and defying Trump to vote for it, giving them an out.

"Another factor shaping Biden’s inaction was the legal aftermath of Ghislaine Maxwell’s conviction. As Epstein’s longtime associate, Maxwell was found guilty in 2021 of sex trafficking minors and facilitating abuse. Even after her sentencing, investigators continued to pursue leads related to Epstein’s network.

Federal prosecutors made clear that the case was “not closed.” This meant that many of the underlying documents remained part of active law enforcement files. According to long-standing DOJ policy, evidence tied to open investigations cannot be disclosed to the public."
congress.net/.../

[NathanDavis]

@goaded he did made it law by signing it

without his signature, it was a bill... the congress made a bill, Trump made it a law

also... Epstein has been protected and given immunity to a degree, since 2005/2008

Biden didn't undo that... Obama didn't undo that

and there were also Democrat senators who decided to support and approve and appoint the person responsible for giving Epstein and his co-conspirators, the protection they still enjoy today

and that person has a name... I am sure you cand find that name as well

[goaded]

Way to intentionally miss the point. Of course the person who protected Epstein in 2005 was Alexander Acosta, Republican. Appointed US Secretary of Labor by Trump in 2017.

Look, it's that R-word again. Not one Republican senator voted against him. "Forgot" that, too, didn't you.

Both sides are never even close to being equal, it never has been. Everything you point to Democrats doing, Republicans have done it more and worse.

There are dozens of things that only Republicans have done, like not peacefully handing over power to the next president, selling pardons for $1-$6 million a pop, ripping down the people's house, making money off the presidency...

files.mastodon.online/.../3ca1f3f57a4cee40.jpeg
files.mastodon.online/.../aef283274d457176.jpeg

[NathanDavis]

@goaded bad is bad... either way

"more bad" is the stupidest trap ever

and you all keep falling for it

[goaded]

No. There's driving 70 in a 60 zone and there's driving 60 in a 20 zone, past a school, at leaving time, on the pavement, in a lorry, with spikes on the front.

Democrats may do the former, Republicans do the latter.

Their enablers, like you, pretend there's no difference.

How many of these things are you OK with? A number, 0-4.

not peacefully handing over power to the next president
selling pardons for $1-$6 million a pop
ripping down the people's house against the law
making money off the presidency against the law

[NathanDavis]

@goaded you could drive at 10 miles per hour on a 120 limit zone... and still kill someone

and that someone should still go to jail

or, are you going to say the dead was "less wrongful" because it was just 10 miles per hour?

[goaded]

See? Enabling. And not answering a simple question.

How many of these things are you OK with? A number, 0-4.

not peacefully handing over power to the next president
selling pardons for $1-$6 million a pop
ripping down the people's house against the law
making money off the presidency against the law

[NathanDavis]

@goaded I'm not in favor with any of those...

and to make it even more simple to you... there's only one thing in record, that I think Trump did right

and that was the act, to give 911 first responders the health insurance they needed, but even that is tainted... because soon enough, some congress people decided to take it away somehow...

Maduro being taken out of the picture, is the second thing I am okay with... but just that one fact alone, if this is the end of such dictatorship which has affected me to a personal level... I'm glad if that happens

[goaded]

None of those things have been done by a Democrat, but all of them by Trump. You still enable Republicans using the ridiculous "both sides" nonsense.

[NathanDavis]

@goaded I don't enable anybody

both sides have done wrong, and keep doing wrong... both sides approved lobbyism to take over, and both sides agreed and ENABLED the billionaires to put their money into policy

that was done by both parties as there was NO WAY for just one of them to allow it

[goaded]

I seem to have missed this. "Both sides" were not responsible for Citizens United, that was Republicans and Republican nominated "justices" who have since been exposed as essentially taking bribes from rich "mentors".

[NathanDavis]

@goaded you have certainly missed a lot on this... Citizens United was just the one ruling at the end, by the Supreme Court, but that is just one instance...

are you ready for another one?

there were two very recent, and prominent candidates on the Democrat side, who ran their campaigns FOR big pharma, for paid lobbyists and with the interests of these private companies who funded and fueled their campaigns, and with the whole intention to place these people as their "aides" once inside the government...

I'm sure you know the two of them very well.. and here's a hint... yes, Kamala did that too but I am not talking about her

[goaded]

Oh, look, you're doing it again. Just provide your evidence, don't pretend I have to work for you.

[NathanDavis]

[goaded]

Just provide your evidence, don't pretend I have to work for you.

[Jamie05rhs]

Attacking whom? Both sides see the characterization of their side as positive and the characterization of the other side as negative.

[OddBeMe]

Very true.

[Jamie05rhs]

Thanks for the MHO!

[Kelly6]

@OddBeMe You missed a special flag in both sides,

[OddBeMe]

Which flag? I personally hate nationalism anyway...

[OddBeMe]

@chickychickyparmparm no the American flag is there. Its currently under protest... or on fire... because we're snatching people off the streets like the gestapo

[Ariesman81]

Seems accurate to me. The only discrepancy is there's no Blacks shown on the Republican side. And we know there's plenty of conservative blacks.

[Ariesman81]

And I don't see the White Liberal Karen's and Gay flag on the Democrat side. And where are the babies on the Dems side? Ohhhhh... I know why I don't see them😬

[OddBeMe]

You mean bean size fetuses? They're there. Just too small and insignificant to see

[Ariesman81]

That is how a Democrat would think

[OddBeMe]

Yes we prioritize actual children over bean sized fetuses with no brains or nervous systems.

[Fireguy17]

politics as usual.
In reality Trump won more black votes than any other republican in the last 48 years.

[OddBeMe]

A few percentage points ain't a groundswell

[Sevenpointfive]

those teams are tired and corrupt. we need the team that isn't shown

[Snakeyes7]

Ya think? It's literally saying that the dems are the party of seditionists who are influenced by outside forces.

[OddBeMe]

(Checking)
Nope trump is love with every dictator. The people waving those flags are American.

[Snakeyes7]

All you have to offer are photo ops he has had with them, which literally every president has done. Also, which party "is love" with Venezuela, Palestine, Somalia and Iran even though their people are starving and the latter three see women as less than animals as per their Islamic theocracy,

[OddBeMe]

he's literally in business with the dukbass. His trip to UAE and Saudi was a personal business trip on public dime.

[OddBeMe]

Duckbass sounds like a great dinner or new folk band. Lol

Seriously tho, you're ok with Trump doing biz while in office... on pres time?

[Snakeyes7]

Duckbass? Also, the UAE and Saudi were more like peace deals between other countries as opposed to "let's be friends."

Also the comment aged so poorly with Maduro. Trump has been the least dictator friendly of any of the presidents in decades lmao.

[OddBeMe]

No dukbass Trump Org did business with both those countries WHILE HE WAS THERE AS PRES

www.forbes.com/.../

[Snakeyes7]

It doesn't matter as long as they aren't destroying us, which from what I understand was the whole point of the meeting. I know Qatar is but not the UAE and Saudi.

[exitseven]

Watching them all cheer while a commie was sworn in as mayor is all you need to know.

[MikeMcMansion]

Boomer memes…mean nothing

[beefcakebradybatson]

Typical REPIGLIKSCUM BS.