Does this change opinions on the ICE shooting?

[DexWest]

[msc545]

Not really. I mean, there's a number of different things that could have caused him to have internal bleeding, so I don't know. It would not necessarily be about anything to do with being hit by a car, even though that might have been the cause in some fashion. I think it is more likely that at some point, he fell onto some object or something like that. All of that also depends on whether or not that is truly what is going on, and w his general condition to begin with.

[goaded]

You work in the medical arena. Isn't a bruise technically "internal bleeding"?

[msc545]

I guess you could call it that although it's more superficial than internal.

[msc545]

The problem with attributing this to any encounter he had with that car. Is that the video tapes don't really show the car contacting him and I suspect that if it had contacted him hard enough to cause a bruise that it also would have knocked him down. That clearly didn't happen.

[goaded]

Exactly.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

@goaded right

[David318578]

Not really, the only thing that matters legally is if he had a reasonable fear of death or bodily harm. Getting run over by a vehicle fits that criteria, he had no idea that the wheel was turned and she was pushing him out of the way vs running him over.

He is not a mind reader, if he was he could of realized she was just looking for 8-20 years for assaulting a federal officer vs life for attempted murder.

She should of protested peacefully and legally

[goaded]

How do you know "he had no idea that the wheel was turned"? You don't.

An investigation would involve taking statements from all of the agents (none of whom drew their weapons) and bystanders.

He should have taken a step to his right and not violated department policy.

[David318578]

@goaded there is ALWAYS an investigation if you want to see a detailed analysis from all the videos here is a link.

https://youtu.be/6k_1y2kSHfw?si=5pThCPn3zEq106-T

Its long but the first part is just all the videos not interrupted.

Couple of key points if you dont want to watch it
She floored the car and peeled out while taking off
The bullet placement on the front windshield placed him on the hood of the car
He was limping after

He also concluded that he doubted that she meant to run him over, but it legally doesn't matter.
He goes into the science of how long it takes you to start shooting once your brain tells you to start shooting and how long it takes to stop.

[goaded]

Are you pretending that some guy on the internet is the same as an official investigation now?

Did he take testimony under oath? The original video from the area? Statements from everybody present?

[David318578]

@goaded nope, thats for your information so you can make educated arguments. He is a professional forensic deadly force investigator that has given his analysis lots of times during cases. So you can ignore it if you want, but i suggest you watch it to make yourself more educated.

And there is a lot of things that he does not like that the officer did so you should enjoy those parts.

Or keep making uniformed bad arguments.. your call

[goaded]

Yeah, you know that very long video from an upstairs window that shows the victim waving people past (i. e. not blocking the road)? The one that has the perfect angle to show where the car and Ross were relative to each other? How come it cuts off just as she starts to reverse? I mean, a second before she gets shot. The person taking the video just got bored at that point, do you think? What's the source?

How about the angle from slightly to the left of the first video we all saw? It shows even more clearly that she was driving away from the agents, not at one.

[msc545]

The car didn't touch him. He placed himself in the path of the car in order to create a situation in which he could then claim that he was in fear of his life and then kill her, which he did. The law has anticipated these kinds of tactics and placing yourself deliberately in danger is not an excuse to then kill someone or harm them in any way.

It doesn't matter what titles like "professional forensic deadly Force investigator" but you make up for the guy to try and lend credibility to what you posted and what he said. Let's see some legal credentials or some business references or something of this sort before we decide he's a professional anything.

[David318578]

@goaded all those video are in his analysis, she broke the law by her actions and he even lists out the actual federal laws she broke..

If you would watch the video you would not be making uneducated arguments.

[msc545]

The only thing uneducated in all this aside from the YouTube video itself is your reliance on such a known unreliable source. But I would hope you know better. But apparently you've discovered that there are no reliable sources in this matter that promote the things your politics and cult leader want promoted.

[goaded]

Was there a capital crime among them? No? Then why is she dead?

I did watch the video, you clearly didn't read what I wrote. For example, I asked about the video that has the perfect angle to show where the car and Ross were relative to each other. How come it cuts off just as she starts to reverse? I mean, a second before she gets shot. The person taking the video just got bored at that point, do you think? What's the source?

I've never seen it before. Have you?

[David318578]

@msc545 i suggest you also watch the video, he is an expert in this and testifies in court to thies kinds of encounters.
Bullet placement put him in front of the car when he fired, and looks like actually half on top of the hood.

[David318578]

@msc545 also his personal qualifications

Use of Force Analysis qualifications:
Court-admitted expert witness in use of force and self-defense; quoted by a federal judge in use of force during summary judgment
Force Science Institute Certified Advanced Force Science Specialist and Force Science Analyst; in both cases the first non-sworn person to receive the certification
Massad Ayoob Group certified Deadly Force Instructor
Law of Self Defense verified instructor graduate
Massad Ayoob Group MAG40 graduate and $5 Bill awardee
Force Science Institute Realistic De-Escalation Strategies Instructor
Crisis Intervention Team Training with Yavapai County Sheriff’s Office (40 hours)

[msc545]

I'm not going to watch the video. My time is the most valuable commodity I have and I'm not going to waste it. Watching unqualified people promote there agendas on YouTube. That being said, what you've just described could just as easily be construed as him running in front of the car deliberately which I think he might have done and then firing his gun at her. I saw him moving to the side in other videos while firing one shot through the windshield, which is at the very left side in the bottom corner of the windshield and then he moves around to the side of the car and fires two more shots through the driver's side window. I think the shot from the front is questionable, but the two shots from this side are clearly unwarranted and unnecessary and yet he did it anyway because he was angry. I suspect. I'm really uninterested in discussing your impressions of his state of mind because you don't know what it was and neither do I.

[David318578]

@msc545 i listed out his qualifications, he is qualified you are clueless

Here is the qualifications for the ceo Stephanie, who also helps evaluation

Certifications and Qualifications:

Senior Active Self Protection Staff Instructor and one of only a handful of people able to teach ASP-branded classes
Certified Force Science Analyst
Rangemaster Advanced Certified Pistol Instructor
Massad Ayoob Group certified Deadly Force Instructor
Verified Graduate of the Law of Self Defense Instructor Program
Force Science Institute Realistic De-Escalation Instructor
Certified Use of Force Instructor, State of South Dakota
NRA Certified Pistol Instructor
NRA Certified RTBAV Instructor
NRA Certified Range Safety Officer
Civilian Response to Active Shooter Events, Train the Trainer
Instructor at National A Girl and A Gun Conference, 2020
Speaker/Presenter at the USCCA Concealed Carry Expo, Pittsburgh, PA 2019
Speaker/Presenter at The Well Armed Woman Illinois State Shoot, 2019
Speaker/Instructor at The Active Self Protection National Conference, Manhattan, KS 2019
Coordinator/Speaker/Instructor at the Active Self Protection National Conference 2019/2020

[David318578]

@goaded she is dead because she floored it and peeled out when an officer was in front of her car.

And i dont know why the guy filming from upstairs cut his video, but fortunately there is other videos that show other angles.

[msc545]

I don't know if people like this actually attend qualified institutions of learning such as universities, but there don't appear to be any in a police academies or armed forces colleges or courses or any military service or any engineering degrees in his so-called resume. I too can go and take a bunch of courses and do a bunch of speaking and put together a pretty convincing sounding resume which is all pretty much fake. I'm not convinced that the sources that you've listed are credible at all. However, in all fairness they might be. So I will leave it to you to vet them. In the interim I stand by my initial statements that as far as I'm concerned this guy is just some YouTube huckster trying to make a buck. If that is the case and congratulations you too have been suckered.

[David318578]

@msc545 yes you go to school for what he is an expert on. And yes im sure you could take some bs classes and make a bunch of fake videos if you wanted. But he is a court appointed expert, you are not and never will be if you make a bunch of fake videos

Facts are the facts. She floored the car and peeled out when he was in front of it and hit him. He was limping in the video and had internal bleeding... Shot placement through the window shows it came from in front of the car.

She hit him with her car and died because of it..

Dont hit officers with your car if you dont want to get shot

[goaded]

No angles as good as that one, and we have no idea where it came from. You can clearly see the positions of all the agents and the car, but 5:40 into your video there's a cut, just before the shooting. There aren't any links to the originals in the description.

Maybe you need to ask more questions and not just believe what you're fed.

[David318578]

@goaded he had a video as well. And the position of the shot can ONLY come from the front of the car.

He was limping after in the video

And he had internal bleeding

And somehow with all that. He wasn't in front of the car?

Maybe there was a second gunman on a grassy knoll that actually shot threw the front windshield? Yeah thats it. He had blanks and it was a hitman that actually took her out..

[goaded]

What video are you talking about? I'm talking about the one that I've only seen in your video that cuts out a second before the shooting. The one that gives practically a bird's-eye view of the front of the car and all the agents and would show exactly what Ross did if it just continued a second or two longer.

There's no indication the person making the video stopped, it's been cut. Who by, and why?



Don't you think it's the tiniest bit suspicious that the shooting itself isn't publicly available?

Remember, they already claimed:
"the woman driving the car was very disorderly, obstructing and resisting, who then violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE Officer, who seems to have shot her in self defense. Based on the attached clip, it is hard to believe he is alive" Trump

“It is hard to believe he is alive, but [he] is now recovering in the hospital” Trump

“rioters began blocking ICE officers and one of these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run over our law enforcement officers in an attempt to kill them—an act of domestic terrorism.”

"The ICE officers who were hurt are expected to make full recoveries." x.com/TriciaOhio/status/2008957179793998266 Do you see multiple (or even 2) agents being hurt?

Why would any reasonable person believe, a week later, a claim that he has internal bleeding?

Your video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k_1y2kSHfw

[David318578]

@goaded so your only argument to the fact that there is several videos showing him in front of the car, the bullet trajectory happens from the front of the car, him limping after being hit and a internal bleeding.

Your going to ignore all of it because one of the videos stopped recording? So it must be some conspiracy?

Are you also a flat earther? Because ignoring all the evidence and choosing that it must be a "conspiracy" is classic flat earther tactics.

[goaded]

A video appears that shows the front of the car and the agents for the first time, and you think it's perfectly natural that the actual shooting doesn't get included. Nothing to see here.

Of course it's an obvious conspiracy to protect Ross and smear the victim, I just listed four or five examples of exactly that happening. It's what your government does since they stopped caring about the rule of law. It's also why multiple federal prosecutors have resigned in protest at the lack of an investigation and at the attempts to smear the victim.

There are several videos showing him near the front of the car, but mostly beside it. You don't know "the bullet trajectory", just that it entered roughly straight on to the glass, but it's curved right at the point of impact; you could easily get that angle standing next to the car. He limped slightly but still walked to her crashed car and back, and fled the scene of the crime. Again, why would we believe any of those liars about "internal bleeding", considering all their lies?

Here are some of the lies again:

"the woman driving the car was very disorderly, obstructing and resisting, who then violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE Officer, who seems to have shot her in self defense. Based on the attached clip, it is hard to believe he is alive" Trump

Her last words were "I'm not mad at you...".

“It is hard to believe he is alive, but [he] is now recovering in the hospital” Trump

“rioters began blocking ICE officers and one of these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run over our law enforcement officers in an attempt to kill them—an act of domestic terrorism.”

Even you don't claim she was trying to run over more than one officer, and you must know you're wrong about that.

"The ICE officers who were hurt are expected to make full recoveries." x. com/TriciaOhio/status/2008957179793998266

Do you see multiple, meaning 2 or more, agents being hurt?

[David318578]

@goaded got it you have the same mindset of a flat earther.. lets ignore all the other videos because someone stopped recording lol

[goaded]

You've got the mindset of a cult member. Don't question what the government feeds you, no matter if it's obviously edited to avoid evidence coming out and surrounded by a barrage of lies. I'm not saying "ignore all the other videos", I'm saying this video would obviously provide a better view, so where's the rest of it.

Do you deny that those claims by Trump and his administration were lies or not?

Did Good "violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE Officer"? Did multiple agents get sent to the hospital? (Did even one?) Was she trying to run agents down?

Lies, all of them, and you lap them up.

[David318578]

@goaded what the hell does Tump have to do with the video evidence here? And you call me in a cult? Lol sorry the extreme right and extreme left are just opposite sides of the same exact insane coin.
Im in the middle.. your not
Im objective.. your not

Of the 5 videos "someone pressed stop on one of them" is your argument now.

Get out of the cult my friend, calling out the stupidity of both sides is where most of us are at.

[goaded]

So you're not going admit those lies were lies. You're not going to admit that the other videos do not show the moment of possible impact and Ross' movements in the moments before he shot the woman, and you're going to ignore that this mystery video would almost certainly show a definitive picture of what happened if the shooting itself hadn't been edited out.

No, trying to equate people looking for truth and justice with your people pushing obvious lies is where you're at.

And you're not even very good at it.

[David318578]

@goaded Trump lies all the time, who cares. What the hell does Trump lying have to do with what happened in the videos?

So someone pressed stop when recording and Trump is a lier is what your argument is now.

Great very compelling arguments your putting forth lol

Trump is a clown and wasn't there so he is irrelevant.

[goaded]

Everyone but you and your fellow cult members cares. The other two lies came from DHS officials, so official government communications, just like the "internal bleeding" you keep insisting must be true. Why are you trying to pretend that this is about Trump and not the videos and the accompanying lies?

Is your argument that this video nobody's seen except in the analysis (which isn't all that terrible) you posted and shows a previously unknown point of view which includes the front of the car stops just before the shooting for no reason at all?

Why? Because it would show Ross is totally in the right? Even you can't be that gullible.

These are the two lies that came from DHS officials:

“rioters began blocking ICE officers and one of these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run over our law enforcement officers in an attempt to kill them—an act of domestic terrorism.”

"violent rioters"!!1!! "run over our law enforcement officers in an attempt to kill them"

"The ICE officers who were hurt are expected to make full recoveries." x.com/TriciaOhio/status/2008957179793998266

"Officers"! Not just one, but lots! Poor poor victims!

[David318578]

@goaded ok lets recap all your arguments now
Someone pressed stop on a recording
Something about Trump and he lies
Someone used the word "officers"

Anything else you want to add to this insanity argument of your?

[goaded]

You mean, you'll lie about everything I've said because you don't have a cogent argument of your own, as usual.

Nobody pressed stop on that recording (which I only became aware of because you posted an "analysis" of the videos that you implied was something like an official investigation), there's obviously more to it, including the shooting and where Ross was standing. If it exonerated him it would be public by now. It isn't, so it probably proves he murdered the victim.

[David318578]

@goaded my argument is he shot her because she floored her suv with him standing in front of it.. thats my argument.

My argument is backed by the video evidence.

You keep bringing up nonsense like the one video it stopped or trump tells lies. Or someone said "officers" instead of "officer" which have nothing to do with anything. Its just nonsense noise because you have lost the argument and you know it.

Also I never said it was an official invitation thats you either lying or really confused.

[goaded]

The authorities lying multiple times about the event ("expected to make full recoveries", "hard to believe he is alive", "violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE Officer") goes to their credibility, which is zero. Because of the video evidence.

Were they lying or not? Yes or no.

The video that would have shown exactly where Ross was standing that stops just before the shooting is suspicious, to say the least. Every other angle is from the rear of the car and obscured by trees or other agents. That's the video evidence that's missing. If it exonerated him, it would surely be out there.

"Also I never said it was an official [investigation]" True, you just said "there is ALWAYS an investigation if you want to see a detailed analysis from all the videos here is a link.", that's why I said "implied". Punctuation matters.

Your problem is that there may not be an investigation.
"Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche said in a statement that “there is currently no basis for a criminal civil rights investigation.”"

Maybe there's an FBI investigation, but in normal times there would be cooperating FBI, state and civil rights investigations. How sure are you the FBI will be impartial? They're all taking orders from Trump.

[IamRight]

@David318578 So you know, you are arguing with a sealion who has previously accused me of sealioning, no matter how many times you post truths it won’t convince him.

[goaded]

@IamRight Thanks for proving me right about that. Go back to catching fish.

[IamRight]

@goaded Warning him about that means I proved you right? Lol. Nah, I’m just giving him a headsup and living up to my username like usual.

[goaded]

@IamRight Pathetic. But since you're inserting yourself into this conversation, tell us: were the authorities lying when they said officers were "expected to make full recoveries", that it was "hard to believe he is alive", and that the woman whose last words were "I'm not mad at you" "violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE Officer"?

[David318578]

@goaded the only thing pathetic going on here is your complete lack of logic for your argument.

There is an independent expert analysis of the event and you think the officers saying "expected to make full recoveries", or "hard to believe he is alive" or "violently, willfully, and viciously" is a good counter argument for the analysis? Lol

Thoes quotes are from after the fact and have nothing to do with what happened and also its dumb to bring the up anyway

"expected to make full recoveries" we know 1 officer was struck by a car. You thinking that the fact that another officer suffered a minor injury is proof of what exactly? So some officer slips on the ice for example makes the shooting not self defense? Insane

"hard to believe he is alive" yeah getting run over by a suv he was fortunate to get pushed to the side vs falling down and getting run over. So you think this statement is proof of murder somehow? Insane

"violently, willfully, and viciously" describing someone attempting to run a person over with a suv seems like a pretty violent act. And someone describing that act is proof of murder somehow? Insane

Goaded your arguments are a joke.

[goaded]

And you're back to ignoring incredibly simple questions and lying about what I'm saying.

Organisations who lie to you cannot be trusted. Everyone but you seems to understand that,

Analysis of incomplete evidence is suspect. Especially if the evidence is incomplete because critical video cuts out a second or two before the event being analysed.

No, "violently, willfully, and viciously" is, as anyone can see from the video evidence, an absolutely bullshit description of a woman whose last words, with a smile, were "I'm not mad at you", who had been waving cars past, and carefully avoided hitting anyone when backing up.

Oh, and "the fact that another officer suffered a minor injury"? What fact? That's just bullshit upon bullshit because you won't admit you were being deliberately lied to.

[IamRight]

@David318578 You are absolutely right

[goaded]

@IamRight I'm sure that's a great comfort to him. Since you're inserting yourself into this conversation without a single positive contribution, why don't you tell me whether organisations that lie to you can be trusted or not?

[IamRight]

@goaded To answer your question to me, No the authorities were not lying and David gaven an excellent answer.

[IamRight]

@goaded so telling someone they are right are no longer positive contribution now… I will try to keep in that if you voice agreement with someone you intend it to be considered a negative.

[goaded]

@IamRight No, it's not a positive contribution to tell someone who's obviously wrong that they're right, but you'll keep doing you.

Keep ignoring the evidence of your own eyes, the rest of the world won't.

[IamRight]

@goaded I only tell people they are right when they are right…
And I’ll keep on doing me and live up to my username :)

[goaded]

@IamRight I know that's what you think, even though, as usual, you're not being truthful.

[David318578]

@goaded your incredible simple questions are dumb and completely irrelevant.

There is an independent expert analysis of what happened, your questions have absolutely nothing to do with that.

Now if you have any comments on the actual shooting then post them.
Because talking about a comment that eluded to more then one officer getting injured is you just trying to change the subject because you know you have lost the argument, and i have no interest in talking about something thats so inconsequential as more then one officer being hurt when you have absolutely no idea who was hurt or not. So this conversation your trying to have is idiotic

[David318578]

@goaded you diving into flat earth level of conspiracy theories has nothing to do with an independent expert analysis.

If you actually have something intelligent to add to the expert analysis then we can talk. But I do not care about your insane ramblings about conspiracies.

Bring something intelligent or go away

[David318578]

@goaded I will just keep removing your conspiracy theory spam posts. Bring something intelligent to the debate or go away

[MisterWack]

I don’t subscribe to the notion this changes the narrative or anything.

What I will tell you is, it’s common sense and protocol to never approach a vehicle from the front or back only along the sides for safety of the officer. And to never shoot at someone while the vehicle is in drive or else you risk endangering other people’s lives since it doesn’t take long for an out of control vehicle going at a high speed to become a weapon. It is common sense and protocol, this ICE officer wasn’t acting in best interest of Renee Nicole Good. He wasn’t.

We’ve seen the footage from multiple angles, different time frames, and different perspectives from ICE officer to bystanders, even a physician who was refused to check her pulse because their medical team was “on the scene” which they weren’t. Their medical team was going to be there shortly.

People say he was in danger, but Renee Nicole Good was waving vehicles to pass and had her vehicle in drive ready to turn right and leave the area, she was attempting to leave the area. The officer pulled his camera away to not film the incident then fired 3 shots, 1 close up then 2 when her head was facing back to him. You can try to justify the 1st, but ain’t no way you can justify the 2 other ones followed.

We saw clearly the tires were turned right away from the ICE officers feet and she was trying to get away, only for her to be unfortunately shot dead. Her life cut short for being in the wrong place at the wrong time from ICE occupied in Minneapolis to “stop illegal immigrants and send them over the border where they came from”. No reason a legal citizen was stopped, harassed, and killed. No justification.
The fact she wanted to flee the area proves she knew they were bad news, her getting shot is evidence in favor of her notion not the other way around.

And I hate how we make this a Right V. Left Thing.
It is about a brutalizer and a victim.
So side with the victim, you aren’t subscribing to the Left or giving into “Libtards”, you are for justice for an innocent woman. Because she is innocent. Now three children are lost without her.
I stand by removing illegal immigrants, but I also subscribe to the notion we can do so that doesn’t brutalize, intimidate, and kill our citizens as well as illegals. We can be humane, compassionate, and patriotic, not monsters.

[Snakeyes7]

The reason they even approached Good's car was because it was blocking the road, impeding a federal investigation, which is a crime.

The officer being in front of the car because it was still (regardless of whether it was in drive or park) when he arrived is not a justification to hit him with it, it would not be justified in any other context either. It reeks of "erm she was dressed like a slut and walked down a dark alleyway, therefore her rape was justified" type of logic.

"She was attempting to leave the area" also does not justify not getting out of the car when asked to do so three times.

Good would still be alive if she just complied and got out of her car and at least not try to drive away (if we are to take the most charitable position here), but we can't have her be held accountable for her actions now could we?

[MisterWack]

@Snakeyes7 Okay 1. If you could provide evidence that substantially proves Renee Good was impeding on ICE’s investigation that moment that it took place it would be greatly appreciated.
2. She wasn’t blocking the road, the footage showed she was waving cars to pass and they did. ICE’s vehicle was the only one to stop as she was waving for them to pass then the confrontation began.
3. It was in drive and it does matter since he was dragged by an illegal in a car prior to this incident so, you would think he would’ve been extra careful and kept safe distance from vehicle.
4. She turned her tires to the right and waited proving she was leaving.
5. Good would be alive if ICE wasn’t there to begin with, she was leaving and waved for them to leave.

[msc545]

@Snakeyes7 she didn't hit anyone with her car. Anyone who says she did is just simply fucking lying.

[Snakeyes7]

@msc545 She did hit him. He had to go to the hospital because he suffered internal bleeding where she hit him.

[msc545]

@Snakeyes7 he didn't go to the hospital. There was no internal bleeding, and she didn't hit him.

STOP THE FUCKING LYING!

[Snakeyes7]

@msc545 he got bruised which is a form of internal bleeding, which means he got hit.

www.snopes.com/.../

[Danzigdawson]

As I said on another similar question, the "internal bleeding" is probably ecchymosis, also known as a bruise, which is in fact a form of internal bleeeing. Would really be that surprising that they would be blowing the "severity" of his injuries out of proportion to try to gain sympathy?

I doesn't change anything. That situation didn't call for Good to be shot in the head three times and for her to be called a "fucking bitch" right after. That's murder out of anger, and MAGA diarrhea flakes will just have to deal with that.

[Mike_Hum]

so you started off by saying she didn't hit the officer with her car. Now she hit him with her car, but it's no big dael.

[goaded]

@Mike_Hum Or he hit the car with his hand, just not hard enough to drop the phone.

[Mike_Hum]

@goaded oh we’re just making things up now. Got it.

[goaded]

@Mike_Hum Aren't you the fool I said wasn't worth my time? There is no publicly available evidence that he was hit by the car. His had with the phone in it probably made contact with the car, but there's no video of that.

[Mike_Hum]

@goaded oh, no.. a lying sack of shit thinks I'm a fool. How will I recover? the video clearly shows the agent getting hit. No matter how many times you repeat the lie, doesn't make it true.

[goaded]

@Mike_Hum Show me a single frame of any video that shows the murderer and the car in any sort of contact.

[Mike_Hum]

@goaded https :// x. com/SpiceyBits/status/2009027212524007905? s=20

[goaded]

@Mike_Hum Show me a single frame of any video that shows the murderer and the car in any sort of contact. That isn't it. We've all seen that video, we've all seen that she was doing a 3-point turn to leave. There isn't anything in that video that shows contact between Ross and the car.

[Mike_Hum]

@goaded go fuck yourself. I posted the videos. the upper right clearly shows him getting hit. I don't play your stupid games.

[goaded]

@Mike_Hum You also don't have a single frame from any video that shows the car and the murderer in contact. I know that must frustrate you, but it's true.

[Mike_Hum]

@goaded No, I don't. I'm not wasting my time clipping a video you can easily watch. This is the classic leftist bullshit where you pretend to not understand anything.

you forget your programming moved from "he wasn't hit" to " he was hit but it was only a tiny bruise".

[goaded]

@Mike_Hum My position is still the same as it ever was: There's no video that shows him being hit by the car. Especially the one you're convinced does.

[Mike_Hum]

@goaded 100% there is. sorry you can't accept reality. I guess once you believe a man can become a woman, you can be convinced of anything.

[goaded]

@Mike_Hum oh we’re just making things up now. Got it.

[Mike_Hum]

@goaded can a man get pregnant?

[goaded]

@Mike_Hum I'm going to block you now, because you're an idiot.

[Mike_Hum]

@goaded no one cares

[Danzigdawson]

@Mike_Hum Damn, you really don't like to be called a liar even though you totally are. You've got to admire you morons' commitment to your despicable dishonesty in the name of your holy hatred of liberals. If only you were to put all of that energy for the benefit of mankind, instead of its destruction.

[Mike_Hum]

@Danzigdawson you're the one now peddling the bullshit that his injury was just a bruise. So which is it? He was hit but no big deal, or not hit at all. It can't be both.

[Danzigdawson]

@Mike_Hum Why do you even suck donkey dicks? Where's the fun in that? I didn't say anything when you wrote that you were into beastiality, but it kept bothering me. I'm sure you understand my disgust.

[Mike_Hum]

Aw, there you are fantasizing about dicks. Are all you lefties homos?

[Danzigdawson]

@Mike_Hum Well, if we all are, at least we don't suck donkey dicks. I'm pretty sure beastiality is a crime, even if all of your cousins do it in Derelict Trumpist Shithole USA. Don't fall victim to peer pressure, bro.

[Mike_Hum]

You have some weird sexual fantasies. I guess that’s what happens when you spend your life in mom’s basement.

[msc545]

I've already blocked him. You may want to do the same. I think we should all block him. He's a rude liar.

[Danzigdawson]

@msc545 Right on. He's an idiot, in it to "troll the left/own the libs" (😄), but he's inoffensive enough for now. I'll block him when I'm tired of laughing about how lame he is.

[Danzigdawson]

@msc545 Sad thing is: I feel like I've already interacted with that same loser more than once under different user names. It wouldn't exactly surprise me if it turned out that he wastes his days managing 50 different accounts dedicated to metaphorically suck trump's dick on g@g and to try to groom teenage girls into becoming white supremacist trad wives.

[msc545]

Interesting that you said that. I have the same feeling about him, and I think I know who it is if it's the person I'm thinking of. He's a guy named Joel who's been sniping with what I consider to be borderline rude commentary from the right wing for several years now. I blocked him for obvious reasons.

[goaded]

@msc545 They all seem to be Joel. Groupthink.

[msc545]

@goaded now they kind of are. I wonder if there's some giant machine somewhere that pumps out this stuff and each one of them just takes advantage of that. For want of a better term, I think we can refer to it as the "Joel" machine.

[Mike_Hum]

Gotta love you queers being so triggered.

[Danzigdawson]

@Mike_Hum Oh, we are triggered, no doubt about it!

[Mike_Hum]

We know you are. Maybe your safe space will help.

[Danzigdawson]

@Mike_Hum No it won't. What you're writing here is way too harsh, bruh!!

[Mike_Hum]

Oh now here it goes. Lol. Predictable

[lilBigPotato]

Not really. Obviously they're gonna defend him and words hold little value if they come from people who report to the monkey in the white house who lies whenever he opens his mouth

It's simple, someone got killed and there should be an independent investigation on what happened. If the result is that he acted in self defence it's ok and if the result is that he needs to lose his job or go to jail that's fine too as long as the decision is taken based on facts and what actually happened.

Those are some basics of a democracy but the US has left that path a long time ago.

[teehartman55]

no, It doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is was he, according to training and law, required to draw
his weapon or believing his life was in danger. This woman was wack as are more protesters. Why on earth would you want to fight for people who have committed crimes inn theri country or ours. That makes no sense. I don't want to live next to a murderer, a rapist, a child molester, a multi stopped drunk drive or anyone who hanbitually commits a crime.

[goaded]

Better stay away from Republican lawmakers, they often combine multiple of those crimes.

[loveslongnails]

It's bullshit. If it WEREN'T bullshit, the DOJ would have gladly opened an investigation to PROVE he was injured during the incident. Investigations after lethal shootings are Standard Operating Procedure in real law enforcement, so why not this one? It's because they know what the outcome would be, and it won't be good for ICE or the shooter.

As the new joke goes, CBS News is now the latest place to "See B. S. News"

[katiesmuff]

Not at all as they have been confirmed months ago as complete liars which will not change until their leaders are in prison, El Salvador preferably along side the ones they illegally sent their.

[Hagar88]

No. The man was attacked and defended himself. Some people think they can fo whatever they want in consequences free environment 1

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Not for me. You can clearly see he was hit from the far angle camera and even if he wasn't hit if a person is driving a car towards the direction of a law enforcement officer they should get shot.

[NaultD]

Also called a bruise or a boo boo.

From the ice prospective calling her a "bitch." Not in a do or die situational tone.

[Miristheiss]

Leftists do not care.

They choose lawlessness and criminals over Americans.

They'd love the US to be Haitiville, Somalialand and Islam Central.

They hate America.

[KostasKouvalis]

It says "following", which I interporate as "AFTER he shot her". It doesn't say what caused the internal bleeding. But either way, my original opinion still stands, as she's dead and the agent isn't

[Berethor]

The bitch was clearly messing with the ICE so I didn't thought that she innocent anyway.

[Chazmatazz269]

The lefties never let facts interfere with their narrative. It’s all feelings all the time for them.

[Dargil]

Too many people do not care about facts they only care about the narrative.

[Dargil]

The video showed attempted vehicular homicide. This will not become another George Floyd incident partly because she is white but also partly because the evidence is clear.

[exitseven]

It does not change my mind. I knew it was a good shoot the first day.

[Anonymous]

nope. Renee Good was deliberately following ICE around and interfering with them on purpose

[DextroShade]

No, I already supported ICE killing these disgusting pathetic freaks.

[Kelly6]

@dexwest Fake news , just so people forgive him. lol

[beefcakebradybatson]

How'd that happen since Ms. Good's car didn't strike Ross?

[NathanDavis]

"trust me bro"

[Agape93]

Nope. Fuck the feds, injured or not.

[AviatorTom]

No change. The situation overall is sad.

[msc545]

I'm just waiting for somebody to call her and her wife drug dealers on top of everything else. How about illegal immigrants, too? Maybe that would be the next thing.

[FunkyMonkee]

No, he was always in the right.

[goaded]

They're talking about a bruise.

[goaded]

[goaded]

Most of the responses on here: "Burn the witch!".

[goaded]

OMG, so now losing an argument to facts and logic results in "I will just keep removing your conspiracy theory spam posts. Bring something intelligent to the debate or go away "

This was in response to me pointing out that DHS possesses a video taken from an upstairs window on the other side of the road from all the other videos we've seen, which they cut four seconds before the shooting takes place. Up until that point, it shows the front of the car and the position of all the participants.

This, supposedly, is the "conspiracy theory spam": If the video exonerated Ross or even created reasonable doubt, the whole thing would have been released.

The DHS has been lying about what happened practically from the moment the shots were fired.

The video, and Fox News report on it is here:
www.fox9.com/.../minneapolis-ice-shooting-new-video-from-dhs-shows-what-led-up-shooting

[Mike_Hum]

For the left, absolutely not.

[katiesmuff]

Likely because they have a brain and can actually see what happened which apparently all the dim witted moron maga losers don't have or use.

[Mike_Hum]

@katiesmuff you liars still claim she didn't hit him with her car.

[Danzigdawson]

@Mike_Hum If only she had known what would follow, she might have proceeded to go all in and smear that cosplay cop fucker's guts all accross the pavement. No one would have blamed her (at least, no one whose opinion matters).

[Mike_Hum]

@Danzigdawson aw you’re so silly when you try to be edgy.

[Danzigdawson]

@Mike_Hum You don't have the credentials to be the judge of anything. I already told you that.

[Mike_Hum]

@Danzigdawson it’s ok, we know you’re just being edgy on the internet and are a little puss puss in real life.

[Danzigdawson]

@Mike_Hum Not everyone is like you: able to be a puss puss both in real life and on the internet. Show some respect for those who have to be edgy somewhere you dick-sucking-trump-subhuman-deadshit-fucking-asshole-with-man-boobs-and-a-beastiality-fetish.

[snermcger]

Nope. They are doing God's work.

[Pterodon]

Nope