Are the US and Israel allies because they share the same settler ideology?

[TadBehaya]

I mean, both the countries are occupied by white settlers from Europe so...

[LuciusTheOdd]

You know the ancient city of Jerusalem located in Israel? A city older than the Roman empire, And one of the oldest cities to ever exist? Ever wondered why the first part of it literally sounds like the word “Jew” or how judaism Is the third oldest mainstream religion, And originate from that region?
Literally founded in between 900 and 500 BC, Meanwhile, Islam was founded in the seventh century, which by the way means at minimum a little over 1000 years before the creation of the two religions.


So if that region is where Judaism was founded, And did they Jews kept repeatedly getting kicked out of Israel By a bunch of conquerors, Only to return later, Then are they really settlers? Keep in mind, The people trying to claim Israel as their own are Muslim, From the religion of Islam, Which I repeat is over 1100 years younger than Judaism, And originate from Christianity, which intern is a religion divergent from Judaism. Islam’s claim on Israel comes from their Judaic origins meaning their origins from the Jews.


Also, the reason why so many Jews are white isn’t because they’re just some European conquerors, They are white for the same reason a lot of Hispanics are light skinned, It’s because they were repeatedly conquered by white people.


So if they Jews do not have a proper claim on Israel, and they are hostile occupiers, Then, under that exact same merit and logic, if the Native Americans were to try to take back the United States and the land we currently have, They would actually be hostile occupiers, trying to conquer our land, Because by your logic, it doesn’t matter that they were here first or that this was their homeland, Because I mean, we own it now I mean, we conquered it violently forced them out of their homes through force, So it’s ours now it’s always going to be hours and they have zero claim Whatsoever to the land because it’s ours we just took it and so it’s ours.


So if a bunch of random people can just go take over countries kick out the native population then say it’s theirs forever and when the native population comes back, they’re just a bunch of Foreign invaders, Then I guess by that logic that also means the United States can invade literally the entire Middle East And kick them all out, And suddenly it’s ours, Because we said so.


But even that logic doesn’t work either, Because if that’s how it works, then you can’t be upset at Israel because they’re just doing the natural order of conquering land and taking it.






Basically, no matter how you spin it, The Jews have an honest claim on the land, because they have A history with that land going back 3500 years minimum, Potentially 4000 years. And if that’s not an honest claim, then how about the fact that they currently possess it built up most of the infrastructure that is currently there and have been defending it for Over 70 years?

[LuciusTheOdd]

Also, a lot of the claims people are using over territory occupied by Israel, are using very deliberate misinterpretations of history and documents that were created by hostile occupiers who vary intentionally and deliberately tried to erase Judaism entirely? And how these occupiers also happened to have been some of the most violent and genocidal people in history? Civilizations known for erasing records of the civilizations they conquer and trying to rewrite history to convenience them specifically? Really weird. Entirely strange and you know kind of just I don’t know a really big coincidence they’re clearly couldn’t be some kind of deliberate and malicious misinterpretation going on, that would never happen. There is no nation in the world that would dump godless amounts of money into misinformation campaigns just that way they could justify a hostile takeover that is never happened in the history of the world especially not in World War I World War II, the attacks in the Middle East or anything else like that never happened even once that would be stupid.

[LuciusTheOdd]

For the record, I do not care what anybody puts on me as a label because there are a few labels that will always be true about this situation.

1. I was factually correct.
2. I spoke out against misinformation.
3. I knew what I was talking about.
4. I support the Jewish population and their claim on Israel as long as they continue to have a fair and just government, because they’ve already been put through too much as it is and people are just obsessed with making their lives worse.

[RingOfFire]

Yes, to some degree I think that is so. There are many European emigrates living in Israel. But there are many reasons why the US and Israel are allies and have a unique and strong connection. Perhaps the strongest bond is that both have traditional Western values based on common Judeo-Christian principles. Both countries were founded with these similar values. And freedom from oppression is probably the number one value on both of their lists. No one has suffered more oppression than the Jewish people so they get that value loud and clear.

Israel also has what is probably one of the two best intelligence gathering capabilities in the world (the other one being the USA) and they share that invaluable intelligence with America... a priceless resource that has saved countless American lives and treasure over the decades. In return America reciprocates with similar priceless support. It is a bond that is unshakable even though there is a major political party in America itself that does everything in its power to destroy that bond. That would be Democrats. They would rather support Islamic terrorists than help the American people achieve security and prosperity.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/KP-CRXROorw

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Israel only became the way it was because of American influence. The US is using them in their great plan to take over the world, Israel is their foot in the door to the middle eastern region

[FreyaRed]

No. Jews subverted US in last 80 years. It's not an alliance it's servitude

[SixFootSexy]

Allies because Israel controls the US 100%.

Basically, if AIPAC wants a candidate in office, they get their guy in office:

While the funding goes overseas to foreign governments and wars, you get debt and higher inflation! In other words, we pay for our own demise.

[TadBehaya]

Good to see Americans waking up to see the reality!

[OneViewpoint]

I never really thought about it as European Colonialism but in a way it is. The US and Europe simply helped European Jews confiscate Arab land to create the state of Israel in a fit of shame over the Holocaust. But it was different in that it wasn't a single nation state conquering those lands for territorial gain or natural resources. It was purely politics.

Great Britain got the ball rolling in 1917 with the Balfour Declaration. They were in control of Palestine post WWII. It was really great Britain and the USA that enforced the seizure of Arab land ensured the recognition of a Jewish state in Palestine. And we've had a royal shit show in the Middle East ever since.

[Tyler_with_Questions]

The US and Israel are allies due to a mix of strategic, political, cultural, and historical reasons.

The relationship is better understood through lenses of geopolitical strategy, shared democratic values, and mutual interests rather than a simplistic ideological parallel.

Japan has very few whites but by most assessments is considered one of America’s greatest allies.

[SeekerOfTruth007]

The land has belonged to the Jews for around 11,000 years based on genetics testing.

There was never a nation of Palestine, but there was a nation of Israel.

I support Israel, because God has said, "I will bless them who bless Israel and curse them who curse Israel."

[Berethor]

Learn History, Israel is the Ancestral Homeland of Jew, Arabs should go back to Arabia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Judah

[abc3643]

No, it's because we are both democracies.
Israel is the only real democracy in the Middle East.

[darkcloud1945]

Wrong, we, the USA, are not a democracy; we are a republic.

[abc3643]

@darkcloud1945 No shit, Sherlock. It's not a pure democracy, but it is still a democracy - a "representative democracy" aka a "democratic republic".

[TadBehaya]

democracies built by butchering/displacing the natives?

[abc3643]

Oh, spare me the bullshit...

You think the "natives" are wonderful people like little fluffy innocent bunnies?
You've got some real growing up to do both by learning history and by learning about human nature.

For instance, your profile says your from India. Give any love to any Dalits lately?
And what about all the violence your country has done with Pakistan and China?

Before you say ignorant shit, look in the mirror before you speak.

[TadBehaya]

what wrong did native americans even do? enlighten me.

and who says i support india when it comes to it's hyper nationalistic ego and chest thumping against pakistan? mistreatment of dalits along with many other vices i saw in hinduism made me leave that cult! do not assume anything just because you do not who you are talking to!

[nolabels]

It's my understanding that most Israeli nationals are ethnic Jews, displaced by diaspora, not 'white settlers', although I'd imagine that is not 100% true.

[Subtle_Luminescence]

They are born of the same settler ideology but I don't think they are allies just because of that. US is a host to be used and dumped by Israel.

[exitseven]

It is really a marriage of convenience. Israel is the only ally the US has in the region and it the US did not stick up for Israel thay would have been bombed out of existence long ago,

[strateguy632]

No instead because they share the same PERSONAL FREEDOM ideology. In contrast to Israel neighbors!

[DryGermanGuy]

Uh, no. The region of what today is Israel has been settled in ten times longer than the people colonizing the Americas.

[Friendlybro79]

Christian extremists believe protecting Israel no matter what will get them in heaven.

[NaultD]

Israel is just a puppet state for the government to test technology on Palestinians.

[strateguy632]

Test technology? Like antitank missiles?

[NaultD]

@strateguy632 military anything. Mass Surveillance. AI. If it has an unethical angle it's likely that it gets tested there.

[jahaims]

No, Israel has been spending resources blackmailing others since its inception

[Grond21]

If that was true, then the Muslims would be best buddies with them

[darkcloud1945]

News flash, Jews are not European; they are Semites who have lived in the Middle East for thousands of years, along with the Arabs

[msc545]

They're not really allies; it's just because of money.

[NathanDavis]

they share the same money makers

[Still-alive]

pretty much

[TadBehaya]

the way it is normalised and glorified is sickening.

[Still-alive]

Yeah it needs to be stopped! this is our era's holocaust is stopping the zionist agenda!

[888theGreat]

Isrelis are not white

[Anonymous]

Maybe, who knows...

[AgentG111]

What?

[Mike_Hum]

lol what?

[beefcakebradybatson]

Yep.

[eagle1951]

beats me

[TadBehaya]

both these countries are occupied by white settlers