Do you think women in Western Europe are masculine and men are feminine?

[MerakSahibi]

I don’t know whether it’s the result of feminism or just a comfortable lifestyle, but this is something my relatives who visited there constantly mention. (France — where it’s supposedly at its peak — Spain, England, Scandinavia, Germany.) They say it’s like this all the way up to Poland, but once you get to Poland and Eastern Europe, women are much more feminine and soft.

Have you observed something like this?

Yes, we are not attached to traditional gender roles and we are proud of it.

Yes, unfortunately that’s true.

No

[Levin]

Absolutely, yes, Western men have and will have to relearn how to be masculine.

Unfortunately, we're brought up absolute brainwashing and claptrap. A lot of it stems from feminism. Namely, that women are victims; and the perpetual trouncing of masculinity and male values. In reality, women have a lot of privelege (and for the purposes of balance, a lot of struggles, also). And we were given the complete wrong ideas about women and their sexuality, and then wondered why the complete knobheads were always getting some. Unconscius weak passivity was a default setting for many men, and then women chose those scumbags.

Just look at what we're done to our precious countries with mass immigration. We were so weak and passive, and more aggressive and forceful cultures came in and imposed their values. They didn't integrate, they weren't expected to integrate. The UK thought it had a successful immigration strategy by 'sweeping it under the carpet' and locking up those who noticed. The most grotesque manifestation of which was grooming gangs in the UK.

"Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times."

[sawno]

No but it is more neutral than in other places. Men aren't always steriotypical men, women aren't steriotypical women. It happens in countries where both have to be office workers to get by. Thats not a job where men are overly manly, its also not a place for women to be women either.

[MerakSahibi]

Are women in employment generally working office jobs in your country, or are there actually women working as mechanics, craftsmen, tradespeople, or in heavy industry? In our country the rate is basically zero

[sawno]

The usual things women enjoy, so office jobs, healthcare, teachers that sort of stuff.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Sounds like you have very american-centric relatives. Have you ever been yourself?

[MerakSahibi]

No, I’m from the other one—the region you describe as more feminine and open to external influence

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

No idea what you’re talking about

[MerakSahibi]

I made an ironic joke using an Orientalism critique, but anyway, if you want, we can flirt

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

No thanks, I don’t like men like that

[Dargil]

Men have been psychologically emasculated by oppressive government.