My body, my choice, but if I have baby, the man must pay. Does that mean that women have the rights of adults but the responsibilities of children?

[Kelley1]

[worldscolide]

The way I see it if it's her body her choice, than it should be his wallet his choice. Don't get me wrong, I'm pro choice my self, I just hate the double standard that says a man being on the hook for child support is 100% contingent on weather or not she wants to abort.

There is a reason I feel this way too. One, if a father is unmarried, he has to fight for his right to be a father, but she can just go to the state and point her finger and he is forced to support. Two, there was a case in Kansas where a baby sitter raped an eleven year old boy, got pregnant from it, and he at eleven was forced to pay support to his rapist via Kansas Supreme Court. And as much as certain groups of women deny this happens, paternity fraud is a thing. there have been situations where a celebrity had sex with random woman, used a condom, and after it was done, said woman used said condom to impregnate her self and said celebrity was forced to pay support.

So yeah. It's a bullshit double standard.

[Kelley1]

That case in Kansas is flat-out wrong.

[worldscolide]

No disagreement here, but it was a precedent setting case, meaning other states can use it in their decision-making

[OlderAndWiser]

Every man has the right to not have unprotected sex, and thus avoid the risk of an unwanted pregnancy. . . and no man has the right to expect a woman to abort a baby if she becomes pregnant.

Every woman has the right to not have unprotected sex, and thus avoid the risk of an unwanted pregnancy. . . and no woman should expect a stranger to act responsibly if she becomes pregnant as a result of their afternoon delight.

I have never fathered a child (at least I am not aware of having any children) but I would have been a good father if that opportunity had arisen.

[FreyaRed]

From biological perspective it's in interest of a guy his child or children have good opportunity to grow up and reach high social status. With his support it's certainly easier. A bad choice is a guy who can't afford to pay child support, such guy shouldn't have children. A hunter who doesn't bring meat to the table lets his children starve.
On the other spectrum of pathology some women see children as money sources. I personally know someone, she lets her child by her parents and uses entire child support for her needs. She exploits her parents abuses her child and has an intellect of a 12 years old brat. Unfortunately she is my family.

I think main problem of western societies is irresponsibility. People are too much concerned with "finding themselves" in terms of never ending hedonistic pursuit of the next thrill but don't think in terms what happens in 2 or 5 years when I make this choice or another.

[TonyMetal___86]

There is no such thing as a man's responsibility if the pregnant woman thinks that it's her body and choice which means that the father have zero say or decision towards his unborn baby...

[FreyaRed]

Of course he is responsible for his deeds and the woman is responsible to find a guy who is willing and capable to take this responsibility.
However this is a topic people with mental horizon that reaches beyond their own nose tip should discuss.

[TonyMetal___86]

Right!
That's why i never have sex before marriage, i never run away from my responsibility, because not only i consider that my baby is my responsibility but my future wife is my responsibility too, i have to make sure that they are safe and happy!

[FreyaRed]

I'm not a boy but I would consider few thing before I jump with a girl in a bed. Primarily do I trust her enough so I don't use a condom? I'm sure the answer will be very likely 'nope'

[TonyMetal___86]

That's something that i cannot give you an opinion about, because like i said earlier, i don't sleep with random girls and i prefer sex after marriage so that i can know that the person that i'm sleeping with is my family and my wife, plus i don't have to worry if she gets pregnant or not, if we didn't want a baby but she got pregnant by fault or something than shall i be sad? Ofc not, i'll celebrate 😌

[Agape93]

Nope.

If you have the baby, you, him and possibly the courts can hash out custody arrangements and if and how much child support is needed.

The notion of my body my choice is for your reproductive rights ans bodily autonomy. That's it. It has fuck all to do with legal requirements after a birth or any post birth arrangements between the parents.

[Surely]

Men only have a few choices. Don’t get a woman pregnant or do whatever the woman or the courts asks him to do!
A woman can first off. Not get pregnant. Then she has the option to have an abortion. She can tell the. sperm donor or not about the abortion.
Or she can tell the man or not and raise the child on her own.
She could give the child up for adoption. In the end. The baby’s daddy has few options as to how the pregnancy is or will be handled. Other than reach for his wallet for two decades or to have his child aborted. Then he could also have a child that he doesn’t know!

[DonaldDarko]

Maybe but it's more about the government wants that littl soldier and tax payer raised to lucrative adulthood and wants his father to pay the bill for that. Any time a tax cow drops a calf the government wants it to survive and with as little monetary input as possible.

[Iron_Man]

Try to think more positive don’t think so negative maybe you’ll find a husband that will stay with you forever. Yes the husband has to pay even if he’s with you or without you. And you have to be a responsible mother and make sure the kids getting all the help he or she can get

[LC75LC71]

Women live life on extra easy. That's why they complain so much. It's not about periods or pregnancy, (which the latter is awesome) It's about shouting and being total hypocrites. There are many exceptions excluding the hypocrite thing..

[msc545]

Yeah I like it. How women take responsibility for virtually? Nothing that might cost some money. Like having a baby. They expect men to pay for them regarding everything and they're like little children in that regard. Disgusting.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Yep.

I've said it many times, always with love. Women in many ways are children who can drink.

[Taranis_Thunor]

This is because the West is now a tyrannical matriarchy, controlled by soyboys & childless women. Once the right type of leader comes to power that's going to be reversed hard.

[TonyMetal___86]

Your body your choice as long you aren't my wife and not carrying my baby because no matter what you say other than that is irrelevent to me...

[eagle1951]

double standard isn't it

[Kelley1]

Men and women are not the same, so to be fair, we have different standards.

[Nihilist__]

Not at all

[lessthansane]

Yeppers

[noohair]

lol... lol...