According to the press over 60,000 Africans have turned up overnight in Ceuta, Spain. Now that number doesn't magically appear without organisation. They have to be shipped in by the lorryload, fed, and watered.
The press says people smugglers are to blame but I suspect it's a ploy by Putin to flood the EU with migrants to drive people to dodgy far right parties and destroy Europe.
After Europe pushed back on Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Putin commented that things might go awry in the middle east and they did. Certainly Russia helped illegals to the Belarus border. I wouldn't have any doubt Putin's hand is behind.
Europe & UK are backward in not adopting Australian Best Practice of finding a Pacific Island Nation which is in need of an industry and interning illegals is just the ticket for local employment. It is quite humane - illegals get a tropical island holiday forever whilst they contemplate going back to where they came from.
We are only using Nauru and could let you lease the Manus/Papua island facility. Both are splendid Commonwealth Nations and Charles III is King of Papua New Guinea. How much better does it get?
The UK has the Westward Isles that desperately need monetizing and what is wrong with the Falklands huh?
You should help your ex's out with your unused storage space. It is selfish not to and appears still bitter over the breakup.
How ever they arrived there 60,000 suddenly arriving at a town of 85,000 is a humanitarian nightmare. When you consider the far right benefactors of such news certainly Putin, Netanyahu and Trump will be top of the list and will be broadcasting messages of fear to drive wedges between the EU nations and make them question their border situations. this is much like the Republicans have done almost every election cycle here in the US. Election is about to happen... there's a caravan of thousands working it's way through Mexico that is made up of all manner of South and Central Americans who just want to rape and kill Americans and only we can protect you. There have even been (gasp) muslims sighted among them. What ever shall we do? Ceute directly borders Morocco really so... they'll use their megaphones to amplify it whether they caused it, or it's just a gift from the fates.
They haven't been shipped in, they just crossed the border from neighbouring Morocco. Ceuta and Melilla are two cities on the African continent, but Spanish territory. All it takes is crossing the land border, or doing it by sea over a short stretch.
The only person to blame here is the king of Morocco, who wants to put pressure on Spain. The exact same situation happened in 2021. Yesterday, Moroccon police did nothing to stop them. About 60,000 entered Spain, about half of them have returned cause they see no future.
Today, Moroccon police does stop them before they attempt to cross the border into Spain.
The real question is: what does a country's leader do to have most of his population wanting to leave their home country?
What in the Putin Derangement Syndrome is this - How the hell do you expect Russia to have that influential a hand in Morocco of all places?
It's the Moroccan government/King wanting to steal land, potentially secretly backed by Trump and Israel who don't like the current borderline-communist Spanish governments support of Palestine and control of the straits of Gibraltar meaning they are halting the supply of weapons to Israel (to be clear I don't support either governmental side there, it's just reprehensible all around)
First and foremost though, it's the fault of the Moroccan authorities who were seen literally trucking the invaders in, and those men (yes men, literally all of them - people can fuck off with the narrative that it's migrants) themselves who are storming and sacking the town for personal enjoyment like it's the middle ages
@FrodoSkywalker007 I stated and then reiterated that first and foremost it is Morocco who is at fault - I also said that they *may* be quietly backed by the US and Israel because of the current war in the middle East, and their tension with the current Spanish government.
Nowhere in my comment did I ever refer to 'Jews', because that conflation makes no sense - but the fact you immediately went to that as a way to dismiss everything I said, shows how warped your worldview must be.
I'm not saying for certain the US or Israel had a hand in it, but Morocco certainly did and the blame lies with them - I can say for pretty much certain however that Russia, boogeyman of some people's minds though they may be, barely have the resources to undermine their immediate neighbors nevermind Morocco of all places
Sorry. I find the "Israel did it" claim ridiculous. I hear it enough over here. Everyone talks about AIPAC as Israeli control of congress. It's public record. Only around $100+ million a year in lobbying and contributons. https://www. opensecrets. org/orgs/american-israel-public-affairs-cmte/summary? contributions.
Yet we only ignore Qatar, which 3x that much in lobbying and the leading foreign funder of education.
I have seen Qatar coming up more as time goes on, but it's definitely true that Israel gets the vast majority of the ire for lobbying - I can't really fault people for saying it though, because it does rub me the wrong way for any country to have such an official backdoor into another countries politics, completely regardless of who the two countries are
I think it's in large part because Israel has been in the media and cultural sphere for far longer whereas Qatar and the other Gulf states have only really started exploding onto the world scene in the past few decades, so public consciousness hasn't fully caught up yet
Sure, blame Putin for everything. LOL. After all, western governments characterize him as an evil madman.
However, given Spain's recent stance toward Israel, I would say that Israel has the greatest motive to cause chaos and bring own the Spanish government. Israel is all about revenge and cares nothing about the lives of Goyim. Plus it has operatives and networks all over the world. It excels at espionage, false flags, and creating chaos
Check out this quote from Netanyahu in 1990 "America is a golden calf and we will suck it dry, chop it up, and sell it off piece by piece until there is nothing left but the world's biggest welfare state that we will create and control... This is what we do to countries that we hate."
In fact, it is Israel's plan for the entire world. .
Objectively spoken, it is indeed possible Mr Putin is behind the migrant's invasion of Ceuta; but then, maybe Mr Trump may have had the same intention, and why not in collaboration with Putin and both nations' secret services. Otherwise, any nation having some grudge against the E. U. might be involved.
Let's keep in mind that nor the USA, nor Russia want a strong Europe, while, in spite of Mr Trump claiming he wants Europe to spend more on armies and weapons, as well the USA as Russia --at least their governments-- seem generally to love extreme right ideas !
On the practical side, organizing such an event, as in Ceuta, must involve the smugglers, who are probably easy to convince provided those get paid. I'm even wondering whether among those migrants some infiltrated agents may or not play a role.
In all these events, one can once more clearly see the obvious lack of maturity and moral consciousness of humanity and nations' respective governments.
Putin has nothing to do with this. The conditions in Spain are much better than they are in Morocco, and the young men that invade Ceuta took advantage of that, and the fact that Spain's ability to protect its two exclaves on the coast of Morocco is severely limited.
Spain would be totally justified in sendi9ng them back into Morocco, or at the very least, force them to stay in the small area of Ceuta, where they will have a hard time surviving.
It's refreshing to see you have the correct info. Problem is, 60,000 mainly young men (there were some women or fathers with children, but most of these have returned) amongst a population of 80,000 Ceutis (inhabitants of Ceuta) creates a situation that is unsustainable. Yesterday, shops closed and the few that did open got robbed.
Most of these young men chase a dream. They don't want to be in Ceuta, or the rest of Spain for that matter. Their aim is to travel to France, Belgium, the Netherlands. They admit that openly.
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LOL, You see Putin in everything don't you?
But don't worry, you're just crazy, so your opinion on everything is immaterial.
The situation over there is complex. Traffickers allegedly tried to drum up business with rumours of CIA arming gangs again, and people wanted nothing to do with that mess.
It's more a story about how little monitoring Europe does on what matters, compared to what doesn't matter.
It wouldn't surprise me at all. See all the asymmetric warfare with asylum seeker meat waves that happened at all the Belarusian-Western borders, especially in Poland.
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No, liberalism had invaded Europe. Millions of illegal aliens have descended on France , England , Spain and Sweden with devastating results. Some people do not recognize their own countries anymore.
Well, they are almost certainly being organized by someone. I somehow doubt good-ol' Vlad has anything to do with it. He's kind of busy with the Ukrainian war and internal problems in Russia as well as problems in the Caucasus region
Could be Putin, could be Trump, could be someone different. No clue. It had to happen sooner or later, it's a known issue and we didn't prepare properly for it.
It's more likely Trump and Israel are behind it. Israel flooded them as payback for supporting Palestine, and Trump as payback for shooting us with water guns and not letting us launch planes from their bases
Actually you could, we're listed as a "sanctuary country" it's just they don't want to come here because job opportunities are better in places like London
You really don't know what you're talking about. Come to my town. I'll show you what's going on. I'll show you their benefits. I'll show you them getting more than twice in benefits as my staff when they don't work. I'll show you the large proportion from that obvious war torn country, Pakistan. I'll show you the insane volumes.
Look on the last census. 52% of Muslims work.
More ivory tower bullshit.
Of course you're in favour of it, cause you don't have to deal with it. What's the ethnicity of Wales? 94% white according to Google.
Both of which Russia has a border with, how the hell do you expect Putin to have that influential a hand in Morocco of all places?
It's the Moroccan government wanting to steal land, potentially secretly backed by Trump and Israel who don't like the current borderline-communist Spanish governments support of Palestine and control of the straits of Gibraltar meaning they are halting the supply of weapons to Israel (to be clear I don't support either governmental side there, it's just reprehensible all around)
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After Europe pushed back on Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Putin commented that things might go awry in the middle east and they did. Certainly Russia helped illegals to the Belarus border. I wouldn't have any doubt Putin's hand is behind.
Europe & UK are backward in not adopting Australian Best Practice of finding a Pacific Island Nation which is in need of an industry and interning illegals is just the ticket for local employment. It is quite humane - illegals get a tropical island holiday forever whilst they contemplate going back to where they came from.
We are only using Nauru and could let you lease the Manus/Papua island facility. Both are splendid Commonwealth Nations and Charles III is King of Papua New Guinea. How much better does it get?
The UK has the Westward Isles that desperately need monetizing and what is wrong with the Falklands huh?
You should help your ex's out with your unused storage space. It is selfish not to and appears still bitter over the breakup.
How ever they arrived there 60,000 suddenly arriving at a town of 85,000 is a humanitarian nightmare. When you consider the far right benefactors of such news certainly Putin, Netanyahu and Trump will be top of the list and will be broadcasting messages of fear to drive wedges between the EU nations and make them question their border situations. this is much like the Republicans have done almost every election cycle here in the US. Election is about to happen... there's a caravan of thousands working it's way through Mexico that is made up of all manner of South and Central Americans who just want to rape and kill Americans and only we can protect you. There have even been (gasp) muslims sighted among them. What ever shall we do? Ceute directly borders Morocco really so... they'll use their megaphones to amplify it whether they caused it, or it's just a gift from the fates.
They haven't been shipped in, they just crossed the border from neighbouring Morocco. Ceuta and Melilla are two cities on the African continent, but Spanish territory. All it takes is crossing the land border, or doing it by sea over a short stretch.
The only person to blame here is the king of Morocco, who wants to put pressure on Spain. The exact same situation happened in 2021. Yesterday, Moroccon police did nothing to stop them. About 60,000 entered Spain, about half of them have returned cause they see no future.
Today, Moroccon police does stop them before they attempt to cross the border into Spain.
The real question is: what does a country's leader do to have most of his population wanting to leave their home country?
What in the Putin Derangement Syndrome is this - How the hell do you expect Russia to have that influential a hand in Morocco of all places?
It's the Moroccan government/King wanting to steal land, potentially secretly backed by Trump and Israel who don't like the current borderline-communist Spanish governments support of Palestine and control of the straits of Gibraltar meaning they are halting the supply of weapons to Israel (to be clear I don't support either governmental side there, it's just reprehensible all around)
First and foremost though, it's the fault of the Moroccan authorities who were seen literally trucking the invaders in, and those men (yes men, literally all of them - people can fuck off with the narrative that it's migrants) themselves who are storming and sacking the town for personal enjoyment like it's the middle ages
@JennaWillow let's blame USA, Israel, and the Jews in some way. That's a classic 😂
@FrodoSkywalker007 I stated and then reiterated that first and foremost it is Morocco who is at fault - I also said that they *may* be quietly backed by the US and Israel because of the current war in the middle East, and their tension with the current Spanish government.
Nowhere in my comment did I ever refer to 'Jews', because that conflation makes no sense - but the fact you immediately went to that as a way to dismiss everything I said, shows how warped your worldview must be.
I'm not saying for certain the US or Israel had a hand in it, but Morocco certainly did and the blame lies with them - I can say for pretty much certain however that Russia, boogeyman of some people's minds though they may be, barely have the resources to undermine their immediate neighbors nevermind Morocco of all places
I'm clearly making fun of you 😂 chill.
Tone is hard to tell over text, and I don't appreciate insinuations about my character 🤷🏻♀️
Sorry. I find the "Israel did it" claim ridiculous. I hear it enough over here.
Everyone talks about AIPAC as Israeli control of congress. It's public record. Only around $100+ million a year in lobbying and contributons. https://www. opensecrets. org/orgs/american-israel-public-affairs-cmte/summary? contributions.
Yet we only ignore Qatar, which 3x that much in lobbying and the leading foreign funder of education.
'Raises a lot of questions': Qatar has spent nearly $100B in the U. S. to gain influence: Report / MS NOW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyGW1KiB4eE
Why do you think that is largely unknown?
I have seen Qatar coming up more as time goes on, but it's definitely true that Israel gets the vast majority of the ire for lobbying - I can't really fault people for saying it though, because it does rub me the wrong way for any country to have such an official backdoor into another countries politics, completely regardless of who the two countries are
I think it's in large part because Israel has been in the media and cultural sphere for far longer whereas Qatar and the other Gulf states have only really started exploding onto the world scene in the past few decades, so public consciousness hasn't fully caught up yet
Exactly. Yet what is truthfully wrong about Israel when compared to other nations in the region? I just don't understand it.
Sure, blame Putin for everything. LOL. After all, western governments characterize him as an evil madman.
However, given Spain's recent stance toward Israel, I would say that Israel has the greatest motive to cause chaos and bring own the Spanish government. Israel is all about revenge and cares nothing about the lives of Goyim. Plus it has operatives and networks all over the world. It excels at espionage, false flags, and creating chaos
Check out this quote from Netanyahu in 1990
"America is a golden calf and we will suck it dry, chop it up, and sell it off piece by piece until there is nothing left but the world's biggest welfare state that we will create and control... This is what we do to countries that we hate."
In fact, it is Israel's plan for the entire world.
.
Objectively spoken, it is indeed possible Mr Putin is behind the migrant's invasion of Ceuta; but then, maybe Mr Trump may have had the same intention, and why not in collaboration with Putin and both nations' secret services. Otherwise, any nation having some grudge against the E. U. might be involved.
Let's keep in mind that nor the USA, nor Russia want a strong Europe, while, in spite of Mr Trump claiming he wants Europe to spend more on armies and weapons, as well the USA as Russia --at least their governments-- seem generally to love extreme right ideas !
On the practical side, organizing such an event, as in Ceuta, must involve the smugglers, who are probably easy to convince provided those get paid. I'm even wondering whether among those migrants some infiltrated agents may or not play a role.
In all these events, one can once more clearly see the obvious lack of maturity and moral consciousness of humanity and nations' respective governments.
Putin has nothing to do with this. The conditions in Spain are much better than they are in Morocco, and the young men that invade Ceuta took advantage of that, and the fact that Spain's ability to protect its two exclaves on the coast of Morocco is severely limited.
Spain would be totally justified in sendi9ng them back into Morocco, or at the very least, force them to stay in the small area of Ceuta, where they will have a hard time surviving.
It's refreshing to see you have the correct info. Problem is, 60,000 mainly young men (there were some women or fathers with children, but most of these have returned) amongst a population of 80,000 Ceutis (inhabitants of Ceuta) creates a situation that is unsustainable. Yesterday, shops closed and the few that did open got robbed.
Most of these young men chase a dream. They don't want to be in Ceuta, or the rest of Spain for that matter. Their aim is to travel to France, Belgium, the Netherlands. They admit that openly.
I think Trump is behind it because Spain found Israel's actions wrong and is therefore receiving this punishment.
LOL, You see Putin in everything don't you?
But don't worry, you're just crazy, so your opinion on everything is immaterial.
The situation over there is complex. Traffickers allegedly tried to drum up business with rumours of CIA arming gangs again, and people wanted nothing to do with that mess.
It's more a story about how little monitoring Europe does on what matters, compared to what doesn't matter.
It wouldn't surprise me at all. See all the asymmetric warfare with asylum seeker meat waves that happened at all the Belarusian-Western borders, especially in Poland.
No, liberalism had invaded Europe. Millions of illegal aliens have descended on France , England , Spain and Sweden with devastating results. Some people do not recognize their own countries anymore.
Well, they are almost certainly being organized by someone. I somehow doubt good-ol' Vlad has anything to do with it. He's kind of busy with the Ukrainian war and internal problems in Russia as well as problems in the Caucasus region
Could be Putin, could be Trump, could be someone different. No clue. It had to happen sooner or later, it's a known issue and we didn't prepare properly for it.
Sensible ☺
It's more likely Trump and Israel are behind it. Israel flooded them as payback for supporting Palestine, and Trump as payback for shooting us with water guns and not letting us launch planes from their bases
They should thank Putin! They got what they voted for and condemned the US for voting out what we didn't want. Fucking deal with it, Spain!
I just wish we could dump them on your doorstep.
But Spain deserve everything they get. They gave full residency to 500000+ illegals.
Actually you could, we're listed as a "sanctuary country" it's just they don't want to come here because job opportunities are better in places like London
Job opportunities?
You really don't know what you're talking about. Come to my town. I'll show you what's going on. I'll show you their benefits. I'll show you them getting more than twice in benefits as my staff when they don't work. I'll show you the large proportion from that obvious war torn country, Pakistan. I'll show you the insane volumes.
Look on the last census. 52% of Muslims work.
More ivory tower bullshit.
Of course you're in favour of it, cause you don't have to deal with it. What's the ethnicity of Wales? 94% white according to Google.
Probably. He's been known to do that with Finland and Poland
Both of which Russia has a border with, how the hell do you expect Putin to have that influential a hand in Morocco of all places?
It's the Moroccan government wanting to steal land, potentially secretly backed by Trump and Israel who don't like the current borderline-communist Spanish governments support of Palestine and control of the straits of Gibraltar meaning they are halting the supply of weapons to Israel (to be clear I don't support either governmental side there, it's just reprehensible all around)
Because he has influence all part Africa too, with groups like Wagner enforcing it.
But I wouldn't be surprised with what you think either
Possibly. I'd also blame rampant unchecked wokery and the EU.
Simples...
Soros will have done it, his Nazis have been caught out so he's changing tactics to end the world before he dies
I would never put anything against Putin, he's liable to do anything.
It's incompetence and stupidity
Oh, well...