The top 10% of income earners already pay almost 3/4 of all the income taxes. Does any rational person consider that to be less than a "fair share"?

[RingOfFire]

The top 10% of income earners pay about 70.5% to 72% of all the income taxes collected.

Meanwhile, the bottom 50% of income earners combined pay about 3% of all the income taxes paid.

Yet Democrats rant on and on about how the rich aren't paying their "fair share" and constantly demand that they pay even more.

What kind of rational person would conclude that the rich are paying less than their fair share? It's insane.

Yet when you ask them why if 10% of the people paying 72% of the taxes still is less than their fair share then what percentage IS their fair share... 90%? ... 95%?100%, they never answer. Why? Because they know this number is already outrageously UNfair but don't want YOU to know it because it doesn't fool people into voting for them.

Their narrative isn't an attempt to be fair, it is an attempt to be PUNATIVE. They appeal to those who envy people who are more successful than they are and in their small minded brains they hate them and want to PUNISH them so they don't feel like such losers themselves.

News Flash for Democrats. This isn't the Soviet Union. A free country doesn't punish people for success, it rewards them. Why? Because you always get less of the things you punish and more of the things you reward. That's what people who support communists always end up learning the hard way. Do you want America to have more success or less?

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In my opinion the "fairest" tax is a "head tax." That means the exact same tax payment is due for every person in the country. It is a very simple system and you know exactly what it will cost. Say the tax each year is $1,000 per person. A family of 4 will owe $4,000 each year.

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Why is this fair? Because everyone receives the same services for their money. They use the same roads, they are protected by the same military, they receive the same financial protections, etc. So why should one person pay a cent more than another? You don't pay for a Big Mac based on how much you earn. Why should this be any different?

So then what happens if someone can't pay? There is an answer for that but it is longer than this post allows.

[Zack-Bann]

What’s even more pathetic is that everyone who supports socialism or communism ends up poorer than when they started.


Because no one is taxing the rich alone.
Taxes are always all encompassing.


But those who make a million can pay 300k in taxes and live like kings on 700k
Those who make a thousand will pay 300 and struggle to eat with the 700 left.


True prosperity would come from near 0 taxes.
Just privatize everything except the legal system, and maybe healthcare.
“We need taxes to pave the roads”
Find contractor who will pave them in exchange for a decade lease to post ads in the corners.
“We need taxes for renewable energy”
Find a company willing to foot the bill and retail the energy to the consumer.
Etc…


The only small taxation left will go towards healthcare and keeping the courts working.
Without the extra stuff the money is more than enough.


Also no freebies to anyone not paying their fair share (i. e. illegals) they just leech on everyone else’s money and force taxes to go up

[RingOfFire]

I'm with you on that concept. The government is nothing but a corrupt incompetent middleman that doesn't produce or innovate anything. We could structure the government to create incentives for the private sector that would further the good of the people. Unfortunately, instead we have a government that spends all its time working for the good of the government.

[strateguy632]

They put this in a kid movie the new Stitch Head. Circus staff complained "we want a PERCENT of profits". Boss reply: you did not PAY a percent of buying everything.

I was pleasantly surprised that they put in that dialog. Not an emphasis theme in film to indoctrinate like save trees themes!

just dialog. The word FAIR is just a costume to make them pay UNFAIR. But say the opposite words as costume.

i pay 10% so fair is for musk to pay SAME TEN but tax bracket pay 30%. Of bigger salary rich pay much more than fair.

So irrational complain: it is not 30% of every benefit they get. but even 30% is more than fair share. It is just tricky words to make everyone poor. "Classless" means everyone is poor.

[strateguy632]

In case people don't see the connection: the boss gets bigger salary than workers who he manages. But pays bigger tax and had to invest his personal money and responsibility to start the business. See now?

[RingOfFire]

In my opinion the "fairest" tax is a "head tax." That means the exact same tax payment is due for every person in the country. It is a very simple system and you know exactly what it will cost. Say the tax each year is $1,000 per person. A family of 4 will owe $4,000 each year.

Why is this fair? Because everyone receives the same services for their money. They use the same roads, they are protected by the same military, they receive the same financial protections, etc. So why should one person pay a cent more than another? You don't pay for a Big Mac based on how much you earn. Why should this be any different?

So then what happens if someone can't pay? There is an answer for that but it is longer than this post allows.

[strateguy632]

You @RingOfFire want equality but not see lower class.
We must be considerate At a $7.25 hourly wage working 40 hours a week, your gross annual salary is $15,080, which means you have $0 of taxable income at the federal level because your total earnings are completely covered by the standard deduction.
To make this parent pay 1000 a year each for him his wife and 1 or 2 kids leaves too little left for rent and basic needs.
This is why we use deductible and percent.

[RingOfFire]

There are ways to deal with this and exempt those people. However, the basic principle still needs to be established. Everyone has access to the same services from government and therefore it needs to be recognized that it is unfair to make them pay different amounts for it (also unconstitutional under the 14th Amendment "Equal treatment under the law" in the US Constitution)

[FreyaRed]

If this was true US could get rid of it's astronomical debt in 5 months. I tell just a word. 'Capital transfer taxation' and all billionaires start to stare with fear and anger.
They buy shares with their income, what is again considered as investment and reduces taxes. Then they ship from that wealth from one share account to another until they have parked their shekels in relative security with ZERO or just minimal tax.
I don't want even to start about subsides and selling governments scam prices products

[RingOfFire]

The problem isn't that taxes are too low, the problem is that government spending is out of control and filled with waste, fraud and corruption. It doesn't matter how much you raise taxes because no matter how much the government collects it will spend even more. The US government is collecting more taxes today than they ever did in the history of the country. Yet, they found a way to spend it all and then go into debt on top of that.

The narrative about "the rich" is complete garbage. I encourage you to look at the FACTS, not the political claptrap from Democrats who want to use you to promote their false propaganda.

The FACT is this. If you taxed the highest 1% of income earners at 100% taking every penny they earn from them, it would only be enough to run the federal government for about 7 months. Not to mention the entire economy would collapse because they use that money to INVEST in things that CREATE JOBS for everyone else. When was the last time a poor person offered you a job? Their money is busy creating the companies and innovations that improve the life of everyone else.

Be careful. You are falling for false propaganda from people who are not looking out for your interests but their own.

[OlderAndWiser]

People who make a career of whining about millionaires not paying their fair share do not want to listen to facts that would ruin their argument. Robbing from the rich to give to the poor is an ideology that has an old and well-cultivated base of emotional appeal.

[RingOfFire]

Yes, it's envy politics.

[BadApple69]

You are 100% correct. Let’s not forget in the U. S. there are 47% of the people who pay NO taxes.
I’m not sure about your head tax. I am more for a flat tax. EVERYONE pays (pick a number) 10%. Rich to poor everyone pays the same percentage.
But be honest…. You have to love Bernie. Bernie: “we must tax millionaires and billionaires”…. The people: “hey Bernie, are you a millionaire?”
Bernie: “we must tax billionaires”.

[RingOfFire]

Flat tax would be a vast improvement over what we have now. The ones who are fighting it the most are lawyers and CPAs because their industries make a fortune from having a completely unintelligible and hopelessly convoluted and vague tax code. The biggest mistake in the US Constitution was to not prevent lawyers from serving in Congress.

[BadApple69]

Just reminds me of a joke a lawyer once told me…..

What do you call a thousand lawyers on the bottom of the ocean?

A GOOD START!

[RingOfFire]

I've heard that one... it's a good one! 🤣🤣🤣

Couple more...
Q: How many lawyers does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: 50. Two to sue the lightbulb manufacturer, one to replace the bulb, and forty-seven to bill for the conference.

Q: What's the difference between a leech and a lawyer?

A: The leech drops off and stops sucking your blood after you die.

😁

[Anonymous]

They pay 75% of the taxes because 90% of taxpayers are making nothing because of lowered wages brought on by cheap immigrant labor, the export of us manufacturing jobs abroad and rising amounts of automation and AI eliminating jobs.

[RingOfFire]

I don't know about 90%, but there is some truth to your comment that there have been parts of the job market disrupted by these factors. On average nominal wages grew in 2025 and 2026 although after inflation they were basically flat.

[Opinion Owner]

In the 70s a guy could leave school with a high school diploma, take a factory job, get a mortgage on a home, afford two cars, get married , have kids, afford health insurance, send his kids to college all on a single wage. Or go to college paid for with a summer job.

[RingOfFire]

That is true. But there are a few factors involved.

When I grew up, most men went to work and women stayed home to take care of the house, meals and kids. One income was enough to have a house and a car in most cases. In the 60s and 70s when the "Womens' Liberation Movement" hit, things started changing. You now had two incomes coming in. And expectations for what was a middle class lifestyle started changing. Now you expected to have two cars, a fancier house, more amenities and basically a more expensive lifestyle than the middle class that came before you. And of course the technology revolution came along which also added to the expectation... (the definition of "poverty" today is having last year's iPhone model).

Add to that a lot of corruption in the education system that led to college costs increases that have exceeded inflation, higher expectations about what is expected in a middle class lifestyle and a number of other factors and you have what is probably a declining standard of living in the middle class for several decades. However, life is far more prosperous for the middle class than it was when I grew up. So everything is relative.

[RingOfFire]

correction...

"and you have what is probably a declining PER CAPITA standard of living in the middle class for several decades."

[Cidknee]

Yeah, i so wish they would all go to Mars on some of Elons ships.

[RingOfFire]

🤣🤣🤣

[exitseven]

Democrats are dumb enough to believe that the rich pay no taxes. I am not rich and pay plenty of taxes and the rich pay a lot more than I do.

[strateguy632]

And mamdani talks about taxing "millionaires" to define what he means rich. Around 30,000 people. Less than half percent. 0.004 or 0.4% but now is raising taxes for "top 10% richest" not just millionaires salary.

[strateguy632]

Only 2% earn enuf* to be upper clsss but taxing top ten % destroys middle class.

[MrChinaski]

It's complicated.

[RingOfFire]

I don't think the concept is all that complicated. When you are on a line to buy a Big Mac at McDonalds someone doesn't ask you to fill out paperwork about your finances to determine what you will pay for it. What you get from government is a package of services that everyone has the same access to. So why should anyone pay any more than anyone else for it? How is that fair?

[MrChinaski]

Why not just take everything? Buy yourself a bigger gun than your neighbour and rule the world.

Or better yet, build a cabin in the woods and live off only what your own hands can create.

There is nothing special about your idea of a 'fair share'. Everybody else in society has a different idea of 'fair share'.

Society brings benefits, so we almost all want to be part of it rather than the homicidal dictator or the hermit in the woods.

How society's resources should be divided is a negotiation, not a divine truth to be gleaned.

[RingOfFire]

The principle is the same either way. We are either equal citizens under the law or we are not. We aren't equal if we all have the same access to receiving services from the government yet some citizens have to pay a higher price for it than other citizens do. That is unfair and unequal treatment under the law and violates one of the foundational principles of the US Constitution (Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment) which requires equal treatment under the law for all citizens.

[Anonymous]

Nope.

They should be paying 100% of it.😆