Do you agree that Trump's operation Midnight Hammer was a mistake?

[shish_kebab]

On June 21st 2025 Trump sent seven B-2 Spirit bombers to Iran's Fordow mountain. The mountain housed one of Iran's underground nuclear facilities.

In light of an ungrateful world that only seems to care about the price at the pump, I wish those bombers would have never left the Whitman Air Force Base in Missouri. We could blame it on the price of jet fuel.

I'm quite certain that if Iran had nukes, the first target on their list would not be the "Great Satan." Their first Target would be the Little Satan. And given the green light, I'm confident that the Little Satan could take out Iran on any given lazy Sunday afternoon and not break a sweat.

The world would be happy and the price at the pump would be low. We could worry about World War III later.

[Snakeyes7]

Nope that was justified. I remember when the media said it was a war. They also called kidnapping Maduro and blowing up Hugo Chávez's grave a war too.

This whole thing with Iran now I doubt I'd call a war, just Trump trying to make peace with people who will never honor it. If it were up to them, everyone will be sacrificed in a nuclear holocaust just so that these freaks can go to heaven and meet their 72 virgins.

[shish_kebab]

You just gave me an idea for my new question. I'll ask it in the morning when I wake up.

[Jersey2]

It was necessary. Iran is nutty. They will use it and they we will have to annihilate their entire country but they might take out NY first. The fuel prices aren’t that bad.

[Jersey2]

Then we will have to*

[shish_kebab]

I agree with you 100% about the fuel prices. I don't see them being any higher than they were under Joseph Biden.
I disagree about them hitting New York, though. They're going to make a beeline for Israel.
And I'm not worried about Israel taking care of themselves. I think Israel has been waiting for years for the US to give them the green light to take out Iran.
I'm just sick of an ungrateful World expecting the US to do all the heavy lifting and then bitching when we do.

[Jersey2]

I agree. South Korea didn’t support us and now their President is under pressure as the US will not participate in war games with them. Why should we fight for them when they don’t lock arms with us on other issues. Europe and Canada are learning as well but they are slow learners. Japan knows the deal.

[shish_kebab]

I didn't hear that about South korea. Maybe it's time to pull her 30,000 troops out of there.

[Jersey2]

Here is a summary:
South Korea’s refusal to join the U. S. war on Iran has put real pressure on President Lee Jae-myung — from Washington, from parts of his own political scene, and from the public. He has still drawn a hard line against combat involvement. theguardian. com

What happened
In 2026 Donald Trump asked Seoul to “give us a little hand” in the Iran conflict, including help around the Strait of Hormuz. Lee said no to sending troops or assets that would put South Korea into the war. On September 18 he stated there would be “no deployment that would involve or enter war.” He left the door open only to expanding the existing Cheonghae anti-piracy mission to protect Korean ships, oil, and citizens — not to fight Iran. scmp. com

Pressure from the United States

Trump publicly criticized Seoul for insufficient support and linked that refusal to alliance costs. In August he ordered a substantial cut in joint U. S.–South Korea drills (Ulchi Freedom Shield), which Seoul treats as a core deterrent against North Korea. He has also said he would “remember” the refusal. Talks on a large Korean investment package in the U. S. (reported around $350 billion), plus nuclear-submarine and related issues, have been described as slowed by the same friction. koreatimes. co. kr

Pressure at home

[Jersey2]

Lee is squeezed from both sides:
• A majority of South Koreans oppose sending forces to Hormuz (polls around 52–55% against, with even higher opposition in his own Democratic Party base). There have been protests.
• Conservatives accuse him of weakening the U. S. alliance.
• Iran warned that any Korean military presence in the Gulf would be treated as joining the war and would bring “serious consequences.” South Korea depends on Middle East oil, so both entanglement and a blocked strait are costly. responsiblestatecraft. org
How Lee has handled it
He is trying to split the difference: no combat role, no Korean troops under U. S. command in that war, but a possible limited navy role to escort Korean commercial shipping. That has not ended the pressure. The alliance relationship is strained, economic talks are harder, and he still has to manage public opposition, Iran’s threats, and conservative attacks that he is insufficiently loyal to Washington. newsable. asianetnews. com.

[shish_kebab]

I get that he's between a rock and a hard place but when in doubt I would side with Trump if I was him. And he better escort his own oil tankers because Trump's not going to do it.
I wonder how much longer it's going to take for the Iranian people to turn on their government.

[Jersey2]

Many of the Iranians were killed in January timeframe that would have fought the government. 30,000 of them so I wouldn’t count on the rest to rise. I also don’t want the US to send troops. Just bottle Iran up and let them die on the vine.

As for Korea, 52% or so don’t want to send troops so how does that sit with the US while we have sent troops to their country? Same with Europe and Canada. No one will do anything for anyone but all want the US to die for them.

[shish_kebab]

Yes now I remember those 30,000 people in Iran.
I believe that's when the pope lectured Trump about war, but never lectured Iran about slaughtering their own citizens.
I hope Trump pulls all of our troops out of South Korea. Why should we pay for that shit?
And I'm far from a military strategist, but I wish we'd bring our troops home from Europe, also.
And Canada is really starting to piss me off.
All these countries have used and abused America for too long. We have a new sheriff in town but he won't be around much longer. We may end up with another Joe Biden who does nothing.

[Laws-Of-Existence]

Is there a poll? I vote to nuke the jooze. ㅤ

[shish_kebab]

Exactly! Trump totally deprived Iran of being able to Nuke another country. That's not fair at all!

[FrodoSkywalker007]

The irony is that gas prices in the US are still lower than under the highs of the Biden administration. Even current diesel prices are mainly influenced by the Ukraine war.
At this moment, Saudi Arabia is pushing the same level of oil out of the hormuz then before the war. Only Iran is exporting nothing 🤷‍♂️.
It's all political theater. Politicians and news media care little about truth.

Source
www.cnbc.com/.../...it-hormuz-red-sea-houthis.html

Oil futures are also at $94 and dropping unlike what some doom sayers claim here 🤷‍♂️

[shish_kebab]

Those doomsayers are all about hating Trump because it's their main focus.

[lightbulb27]

have to decide if Iran can have nuclear weapons. We gave them reactor and then Islamists extreme took over the country.

I don't think Islam should have nuclear anything.

So if they were going for nuke, which it appears they were because they continue to fight... then necessary.

Unfortunately, it's looking like they will have to be pounded to rubble. how to do that without ruining the innocents.

I wonder what Jesus would do?

[shish_kebab]

Jesus would let Europe handle it so America wouldn't have to do all the heavy lifting and be the bad guy.

[Ariesman81Nshiiit]

Doing what needs to be done often goes without appreciation. That doesn't change the fact that it still needed to be done.

[shish_kebab]

I agree, but let's not forget that there are 195 countries in the world.
It's time for someone else to step up to the plate.
Then the US can have the luxury of criticizing them.

[Ariesman81Nshiiit]

Can't do it. I'd rather know who the bitches are than be one.

[shish_kebab]

😂
Funny you should say that because I posted this for the bitches. I was hoping for an explanation why the bitches don't take the bull by the horns and deal with Iran themselves.
I want the bitches to lead, follow or get out of the way. That's all I ask. If they're not going to deal with Iran then they need to just shut the fuck up and get out of the way.

[Ariesman81Nshiiit]

Nice👍🏻

[exitseven]

No, it was a success and it showed the world what the US military can accomplish.

[shish_kebab]

But but but the gas ⛽ prices!

[exitseven]

the gas prices did not go up until Trump decided to go back to Iran and force a regime change. He really has accomplished a lot and if he really did destroy the Iranian regime it would have been an amazing feat but things just did not work out. Still He has over two more years left in his term and I am sure the military action in Iran will end soon one way or the other.

[shish_kebab]

Then it will be like covid. Remember when Trump worked his ass off to fast track the vaccine? Operation Warp speed?
I've never once heard a Democrat give him credit for that. And when Trump tames Iran, the rest of the world won't give him a bit of credit for it. They will enjoy the fruits of his labor and be happy America paid for it all.

[exitseven]

Biden took all the credit for that. Biden totally botched the rollout and democrsts like Cuomo actually killed people.

[shish_kebab]

He only killed 15,000 people.

[strateguy632]

First? No they call us big satan! That is first then sunni neighbors second, for religion. and then gas prices won't be low. Israel is called small satan for a reason. Not priority.