How should we assess whether a prisoner is safe to release after a gun offense?

[lightbulb27]

In todays world a judge comes up with a magical amount of time to imprision someone based upon laws by magical politicians... in this case, for a gun offense. That has nothing to do with if the person is safe to release to society.

In this case, apparently right after release, this person got a gun and went back at it, shooting into a crowd in Baltimore MD. Multiple people shot, and a 12yr old girl was killed. That's kinda Baltimore MD and a few other US cities. Sick, like the old west.

In your world, what would you do with criminals that have an offense... how would you test them to be more confident they won't cause more problems?

I'm not putting any pics up.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/maryland-man-accused-girls-fatal-shooting-released-prison-days-before

[blackgaletiger]

It depends on how inmates spend their time in jail. If you throw them in to an already hostile environment they just manifest the same problems if not more. Now its not a 100% but if they dont have programs to rehabilitate people what is the person going to do or learn once they come out. There has to be some sort of program for people in jail to test and relearn once they are out. With 1% of the population in jail i dont see that happening. So you deal with the same problems coming out as they did with then coming in

[lightbulb27]

Yes, that's what the "Talib" and other congress people are trying to push with new law.
But again, how do you test them, even if you attempt to rehab them?

[blackgaletiger]

That the problem. You can't really test anyone. Its like testing someone during a driving test. They follow the rules and pass but what happens next is anyones guess. Unless the government wants to invest in therapy and understand the people at an individual level which they won't, there is no shortcut answer on testing ex convicts on how they will behave in society. That is on an individual base cases

[shish_kebab]

I worked for a prison work release and at least 90% of the prisoners reoffend and come back to prison. The work release offered counseling and everything under the sun, but all they wanted was suboxone. (Synthetic heroin, which they got)

And the prison work releases are like vacations at club med. They got treated and fed much better than the staff.

I can't tell you how many prisoners came to me and begged me to let them stay in prison when their release date came near.
They were honest about it and told me that freedom is just too scary for them.

But the law is the law and they have to be released. It was like releasing a hamster into the wild.

[exitseven]

My uncle was a cop. He was a Lieutenant and was in charge of one of the neighborhood precincts. Sometimes he would get a call from the parole board to let him know somebody was about to be let out of jail. They would come right out and say that he needs to be kept an eye on because he was still dangerous. My uncle would, always ask why are they letting him out in the first place.

[lightbulb27]

exactly. our system is as if it was designed by dumb people, or those that view it like wild kingdom where culling of the herd is important.

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO😎

[Abbycado]

Sounds more like addressing the market that they obtained a gun. Those should have background checks if via legal means.

[lightbulb27]

a valid point, but that's not my question... see if you can answer my question as this is just an example of a greater issue.
Trouble with those pesky criminals whom are probably banned from having firearms... they don't follow laws. Then there's enforcing the laws.
In my state, if he stole that gun and the gun was not properly secured, the owner would be at fault and held liable.

[Anonymous]

duh? that's what you kinda get if guns are legal in most states?

[lightbulb27]

can print a gun on a machine and get black market. won't stop some. In China and Singapore they have strong gun control. But USA isn't going to punish people as much as they do.

[Opinion Owner]

if you are going to make guns easy to get, shootings will happen.

[lightbulb27]

ok, but that's not the question.
quite a few stabbings lately in my area. do we ban knives?

[Opinion Owner]

@lightbulb27

stabbings occur everywhere.

but the resaon why china doesn't have a mass shooting problem is because they have terrible consequences for people having guns. same reason why china doesn't have a drug problem. people get executed for smuggling drugs in china. KILLED. Over here, they are way too lenient which is why our population is so terrible.

[lightbulb27]

yep, that's what I'm saying as well. consequences not enough and laws not enforced either in various domains. It won't stop all crime just reduce. In China not long ago an older man took his car to a running track and plowed over 30 people killing them. He was executed for that. They do not advertise these events like we do in usa.
He did that because he was distressed over divorce situation, possibly losing so much.

[lightbulb27]

People can go down the "negative" path in their heart/mind... revenge, greed... and that's without drugs. add drugs it's worse. It's work to be wronged by someone else and maintain ones composure.

There's ways to do that I'll refrain...

[Opinion Owner]

@lightbulb27

why do you think china is on the rise? it's because soft parenting/ consequences gets you nowhere. they should bring back the death penalty.

[lightbulb27]

whom is they you are referring to... usa? No chance unless it's applied to the right... liberals in charge in my area and soon the whole.

[shish_kebab]

Bulb, what pisses me off is when your daughter is lying dead and buried and someone tells you that the killer paid his or her debt to society. Really? The killer didn't kill society the killer killed your daughter. That that can never be repaid.
And Tlaib (yes that's how she spells it)
is all about appeasing the people who are paying her off to be an idiot and destroy America. Just like the rest of the squad.

[KostasKouvalis]

Ask Norway

[Pterodon]

Fuck Norway. Another America hater