Regardless if it's a clump, fetus or baby, is there anywhere where the left wing would draw a line against abortion?

[shish_kebab]

I'm not talking about an unhealthy organism inside the mother and I'm not talking about the mothers "health". I'm talking about that "my body my choice" thing.

Where would YOU personally draw the line? When do you feel it's no longer your choice?

When Trump asked Congress to pass a law against late term abortion when the baby could feel pain, not a single person on the left could be bothered to applaud or God forbid, stand. Of course everyone on the right gave a standing ovation, because they didn't want babies to feel pain.

Where do YOU draw the line, or do you even have a line?

[exitseven]

I would like to get some independent scientists and doctors to figure out for sure when the baby feels pain and then go back another month just for good luck.

[shish_kebab]

It would be a great idea.

[Rorroto]

My only disagreement with that would be regarding birth defects and genetic disorders which it may well take awhile to discover. Were I a woman, I'm pretty sure I'd get an abortion if my pregnancy had sickle cell anemia, for example, or certain forms of congenital heart defects often associated with Downe syndrome.

[shish_kebab]

@Rorroto

[TonyMetal___1986]

Your body your choice, your baby isn't only your choice & doesn't only belong to you!

[shish_kebab]

Thanks for that!

[TonyMetal___1986]

You're welcome 👍🏻

[TonyMetal___1986]

Tnx for the mho

[Rorroto]

In certain circumstances, I'd consider drawing the line after 25 weeks (because before that point at which the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists says fetuses can't feel pain). That's for completely babies though. If the fetus has Downe syndrome, you could argue that it would be morally wrong to create a child that would outlive you who'd depend on you for care. I do approve of abortions due to many quality-of-life reducing genetic disorders and birth defects very late into the pregnacy.

You mentioned one time how many people with Downe syndrome lead great lives... but my concern is, nonetheless, creating a human being who depends on you who will outlive you. Plus, I don't think we should expect parents to be willing to put forth the amount of effort to raise certain difficult forms of children (rather than getting an abortion) when abortion merely terminates the life of an animal.

Really, the most harm abortion can possibly cause is animal abuse (because fetuses are animals - they think like animals - they don't care about death and so death can't harm them in the way it does people) and if we're going to be concerned about animal abuse, we'd be best off focusing on the factory farming industry, which causes much more harm with much less benefit to humanity than abortion results in.

[shish_kebab]

What about the people who think you can abort right up until birth?

[Rorroto]

I think that's good, because there will always be some kind of unexpected circumstance in which that might need to happen, so, very late abortions need to be at least legal somewhere.

[shish_kebab]

Did you read the question?

[Rorroto]

Yes. You asked "What do you think about people who want it legal to abort up until birth." I'd not want that to be easy (I doubt it would be) but I want some place for people to go to get that, because much of the time later abortions are done due to discovered genetic disorders.

I would sympathize with people who'd want that illegal unless it was done for some serious birth defect or genetic disorder discovered late into the pregnancy, but my concern about that would be that forbidding any kind of abortion might make it illegal to engage in some unusual procedure resulting from complications of some kind I may not know about.

[shish_kebab]

I said in this question that there was nothing wrong with the organism inside the woman and there was nothing wrong with the woman. Now you're talking about complications. Why are you doing that?

[Rorroto]

You asked if I'd be okay with late term abortion. When you asked that you didn't specify that there would be no complications in said late term abortion.

I think it would be reasonable to want it illegal to have late term abortions if we're talking about healthy fetuses without any birth defects or genetic disorders and the woman's body was not endangered by the pregnancy any more than in typical pregnancies.

I'd need to know more about how abortions work to determine whether or not I, personally, would want it to be illegal past that point in those circumstances. I'd need to research more about pain likelihood of the fetus, for example.

[shish_kebab]

I wrongfully assumed you would read the description in my question.

[Staximus]

I’m ok with the morning after pill and maybe the first 2 months but that’s it. The good old compassionate baby murdering left, too bad there’s not a hell for them to burn in for eternity

[shish_kebab]

I agree with everything you said. And thanks for having the guts for defining your personal line in the sand.

[msc545]

Abortion is just simply murder.

[Rorroto]

Then eating at McDonalds is more murder because those animals have minds more similar to yours than fetuses do during most abortions