I just think women aren't as interested in forming teams and competing, and prefer more casual gaming. Not to mention how horribly a lot of male gamers treat female gamers. Yeah yeah, internet culture, bullying is normal and everyone should be able to handle a bit of shit talk. But so many men lose their shit when they realize a woman is online or on their team. I've heard that many women just mute their mics because they don't want to deal with men shit talking about their skills or knowledge. I even read one female streamer's story on twitter where she explained that she was carrying an entire team for several rounds, and then when she finally said something on mic, some dude who was on the same team went apeshit on her and started shit talking her skills, despite her being obviously better than him and having helped their team loads. Surely enough, this incident has made her mute her mic entirely.
It's difficult to want to keep playing games when the culture surrounding plenty of them is toxic as shit and women are treated as shit because "women can't play games". I'm not surprised at all that so many women a) lose interest in playing and/or b) don't even want to try to play when people have such shitty attitudes.34 Reply- +1 y
@YHL6965 "Yeah yeah, internet culture, bullying is normal and everyone should be able to handle a bit of shit talk."
I think it's a poor excuse to undermine the extra amount of totally unnecessary shit women have to deal with, though. Like you can't treat women like that and then wonder why a majority of them don't have any interest in playing games, whether it's on a serious level with teams or on a more casual level for fun. The toxicity takes a lot of the fun out of it, especially when you're being attacked for no other reason than your gender. - +1 y
That's why I don't play popular games, because it's full of toxicity. Gender is just another reason, these toxic people are like bullies, they look for a random reason to spit their hate out. That's why I quit games like Overwatch, because the community is just crap and it ruined a pretty good game in my opinion. Meanwhile, there are games where you can find the most chill people in the world.
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Heeeey Games can be Exciting! Hmmm however, it's hard to tell the reason.
In my case, when I was at elementary school, I was excelling at on line games (starcraft, warcraft, etc) I could kick some Korean guys' asses.
However, then I became a middle school student and learned that not many girls plays the games and nobody sees girls playing the games are great. Then I lost my interest in games, (even though it still feels exciting when playing it) and since I didn't play it, my game skills were gone, and it made me don't want to play the game even more. Games are not interesting if you are not excelling at it.
So, I read books more instead of playing the games.03 Reply- +1 y
Jesus fucking hell you look younger than 23. By the time you are 50 you'll look 25
+1 yI would say that it is because not as many girls are as crazy devoted to game as some guys. Also, probably their reaction speed in game, and some have unpleasant personas which makes it hard for other females. Out of all the females I crossed paths with only 1 was a hardcore gamer, and 5 played video games casually, and the 400 some others said video games where either stupid, for guys, too time consuming, just not interesting, or meh. Also, it would help if esports became more normalized and popular, because then they would see it as a career opportunity, which is probably the main problem. See, my professor for my sociology class explained that females think more practically, and since professional esports isn't a common job or very practical then females may stay away from trying an esports career.
by the way, watch the anime The King's Avatar, or the live-action version on Netflix.01 Reply- +1 y
A career in e-sports is not as stable as in actual sports either. So they have to deal with taking risks, which girls don't seem to like. There's also that in the event of the job getting dismissed (game/team/person stops being profitable), they would have to learn things from scratch again for another one job, which amplifies the risk of not performing just as good on the new one and not being able to score a job with the effort they put in, all that turning into wasted unproductive time.
+1 yI think most women tend to like other things. Locally, there seems to be very few gamers at all, and few of those are women. Like all the LAN parties I go to, there might be three females at ALL - let's say I see them twice a year; one of them usually being a child of the host (and she kicks MY butt on many of the games). Any other women tend to be upstairs hanging out (wives and girlfriends). We'd welcome them wholeheartedly, if they wanted to play.
Semi jokingly, I say women have lives (or think they do), whereas, guys that much into gaming probably don't.
I would be curious to see what would happen in a dynamic of all female teams, vs co-ed teams.22 Reply- +1 y
@Boppy I'm into the Overwatch league. As far as I know (and I'm starting out), there's maybe one woman (Kim "Geguri" Se-yeon) on any of the teams I've seen... So I can only speak a little about the Overwatch League.
I get some of the reasons... if anyone, but let's say a girl specifically doesn't speak the same language as most of the team, then a vital element (communication) doesn't work. That's not sexism. This is why there were a few all Korean (or other ESL) teams first, as opposed to co-ed (which came about in other seasons).
There may be some teams that are anti woman, but I honestly think that it's not a conscious decision to have all male teams. I would think the league itself would be coed, but it's just that there are not enough women who could be considered pro to choose from, but maybe I'm just unaware.
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+1 yBecause while there are female gamers, not many are very hardcore compared to men... at least the ones that do esports. I would love to see more female gamers doing esports though because there are some out there are that good and can compete just as well as some of the guys.
I'm a gamer, but I don't have the time, motivation, or interest to do high end competitive games like some of the ones you see people playing there. I raid with my team about 6-8 hours a week, play casually the rest of the time, and I'm content.
Plus some of those guys literally devote their lives to playing and honing their classes, skills, abilities to be top... yeah, I don't have the patience for that nonsense, lol.20 ReplyBecause girls aren't into video games like guys are. It has nothing to do with "representing" them, it has to do with the fact that women are already a minority in the pool of gamers by their own predisposition, and are being "represented" accurately in the pros. I put "represent" in quotes because I think the base premise is stupid. No gamer represents anyone other than himself/herself and maybe sponsors when relevant. The idea that an individual competes in a video game as a representative of his/her sex is asinine.
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+1 yTehfeck is an esport? You mean women gamers? Because their Epeen brings all the boys to the yard. That's right, it's better than yours. One might teach you, but she'd have to charge.
Norlytho... I played wow for years- Came to realize over time there are a surprising number of female players- Wild guess- somewhere above 1/3 and likely below 1/2... They just don't broadcast the fact they're females because there's always at least a few douchebags who can't handle their sh*t and treat them like people.
Also, I've heard rumors that Gamer Girl Pee has interesting alchemical properties, fabled to give unfathomable power. But that's just hocus pocus legend. Pragmatically Xcore gamers just stick with an overabundance of amphetamines and Mountain Dew. Not to mention handy gismos like gaming catheters to eliminate the need for annoying bio breaks.
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+1 yI Think it's the same as any other sport, men tend to be better at it this become more successful.
Although it's not a physical sport, apparently men have faster reaction speed, which is what's key to eSports
Even when a woman is somewhat successful in the industry, she's usually transgender80 Reply
+1 yWhy aren't there more male nurses?
Why aren't there more female plumbers?
Why aren't there more male daycare workers?
Why aren't there more female HVAC techs?
Why aren't there more male 1sr grade teachers?
Why aren't there more female oil rig workers and space engineers?
People are interested in what they are interested in. Careers aren't 50/50 in life.51 Reply- +1 y
Preach!
+1 yHonestly, men are better than us when it comes to this field, we only play for fun and to enjoy our time, while they devote their life focusing on games all the time, they see it as a real job. We don't have much time to sit all day long playing video games, we tend to have different life style than them.
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Well, There's also a lot of strong women too! We're all equal, Both genders are just as good
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Gotta have that coincidence and mind-work. Females are just as good as males
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yI don't know what is wrong with people man, it's not about "representation!" Currently they don't have a "female" league, maybe they should and maybe they shouldn't since there's no real disparity between the capabilities of men and women when it comes to being skilled at a game. It's just hand eye coordination and decision making. Differences in physical strength and endurance do not come into play. So if there aren't as many competitive gamers that are female and they also aren't as good as the majority of male players, you won't see them competing.
It's not representation, it's whether or not they're good enough or not. It's that simple! If girls want to be in the top of the eSports scene, get good! That's what they tell men. It's not about gender. It's about skill. I've seen teams of male and female players, intermixed teams. They just don't make it to the top. It's not that they couldn't, they just don't!00 ReplyPart of it is because women weren't really getting into gaming hardcore until recent years. The main reason, though, is flat out bullying and not being welcome into the gaming world by men. Men are very sexist in gaming to the point where we don't even use mics anymore because the second they find out you're a girl, they just relentlessly bully you and make fun of everything you do. It's even worse when you're anything other than a white woman.
Factually, we just aren't welcome. There are plenty of women gamers who are just as good as men. However, men do not really want us there. I can't tell you how many times a guy has said he's going to find where I live and rape me just because I beat them on R6 or COD. I've had 3 marriage proposals. I've been voted out of lobbies because I should be 'making sandwiches instead of playing with the big boys'.
Guys don't want us in their gaming world. Plain and simple.00 Reply
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yWhy do women want to be represented in everything. I really dont care if we're not represented in that. Because I don't follow it... I don't understand the big deal. We don't have to be represented in EVERYTHING. I'm fine with that... Why do we have to be so extra?
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Yeah it is really annoying. I'm not good enough to be a pro gamer but I was decent when I was younger in HS. I had to play a lot to get to that level. It literally becomes their job 12 hours a day.
All these females complaining (about many male dominated fields) make it sound like they can't compete without men stepping aside and letting them win. It sounds really pathetic.
Women are less competitive and less likely to play competitive games.
Like the games i play are 99% male, girls will play some of the mainstream ones and they absolutely are all over things like MMORPG's. But among the top tier players most will be male since the large quantity of good male gamer.10 Reply
+1 yThere's really a lack of female representation in anything that's difficult.
Look at how they're all complaining about how girls aren't going into STEM fields. They say women need to be encouraged to go into STEM.
Well guys who go into STEM don't need to be encouraged, in fact they go into STEM despite quite serious discouragement, they are social outcasts, often the victims of bullying, and that doesn't stop them from pursuing their dreams. But girls need to be "encouraged."13 Reply- +1 y
Utterly agree! I recall reading that the top 10 best paying majors were STEM and that they are dominated by guys. While the bottom 10 worst paying majors were overwhelmingly dominated by girls. This is also the source of the Gender Pay Wage Gap.
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The bottom 10 were fields like elementary education and social work. Touchy-feely fields rather than logic driven ones.
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@Physics-Man A lot of factors go into the gender pay gap, in fact the only factor that doesn't affect it is gender.
This will change over time. And honeslty no clue.
Ethier way i know many female gamers.
And some who are high ranked in LoL.
But @ChronicThinker has a point males tend to bug girls online if they find out they are one so probably puts them off a lot.
Even this girl i know who is high ranked has to leave a couple days and not play just because of the abuse and harresment as a girl.00 Reply
+1 yThe ratio of Male to female gamers is about 60:40, so it isn't a lack of numbers but I think it is the community that females get when they stream and stuff, causing them to sucom to twitch thot way of streaming and those that dont lose their following and any limelight they should receive
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+1 yI gotta think that a lot of it comes down to how seriously women take eSports. Women don't really game all that much in general, and those who do are mostly doing it casually. So you take a comparatively small group of people, and then make it even smaller adding a high level of skill and a desire to professionally compete in the first place, and you just aren't going to end up with very many people.
10 ReplyA lack of female intrest in e-sports. It's the same reason why female athletes in most sports make less money than male athletes.
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+1 yI agree, they should forcibly put them in there when they don't qualify and watch them get beat.
Seriously though, it goes by qualifiers, not by gender for who is in there. That is why it is mostly young college age people that have tons of time to sit around playing a game enough to get good.00 Reply
+1 yWhy isn’t there a better male representation in knitting circles? Elementary school teachers? Lifetime Tv?
can't we just except males and females might like different stuff? I swear if a man likes it, better be equal women liking it, or you’ll be shamed.
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I agree with all of this. Besides if both of us liked the same stuff, how boring would that be?
Aren't eSports tournaments? meaning you have to play, compete, and hopefully win?
It's not like women show up to these things, then red lights start flashing and the alarms go off.
Vagina detected, lock down the building. Vagina detected, lock down the building.
Anybody that pays the entry fees or qualifies can take part. It's based off talent, not what you are or are not.00 Reply
+1 yBecause every time we log onto a game y'all lose your shit that there's a girl there.
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+1 yBecause girls just aren't that passionate about video games. Hardcore gamers, people who play more than 20 hours a week, are almost exclusively boys with a few rare exceptions. You aren't going to find a diamond in the rough when the rough is only tiny 3x3 garden.
00 ReplyBecause any old skool gamer knows there are no grrllzzs on the internet! It's all 50 year old balding men living in their parents basements eating Cheetos
10 ReplyFirst women are just not as good
Second there's less women who care about gaming
Third women can make more money from streaming than being a pro gamer and it's a easier job.10 Reply
+1 yBecause the guys are better at it, people want high skill gameplay. And the men tend to be more skilled, they play in higher skill brackets hense their higher pay.
You don't see the women represented because they aren't as talented. You don't advertise a silver medal in the Olympics, you advertise your best athletes going for gold.10 Reply
+1 yBecause the majority of games are still guys. Not only that but physiologically, guys in general are better suited for quick twitch, high reaction games.
10 ReplyUhhh I’m don’t know for sure but I remember reading a while ago that women biologically have a worse reaction time. I don’t know, just what I heard
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+1 yWomen and men have different interests hobbies and capacities
Why are there so many female beauticians? whya re there so many female nurses?
Why are there so many female mothers?20 ReplyBasically what most people have already said.. there are way more male representatives in this area... And.. the fact that its kinda harder to get a full female esports team as they are more likely to disband due to differences. Unlike guys, who are more basic life forms.. hahaha but yeah still true tho.
00 ReplyThe community's on the games they play, just aren't too supportive of the idea that a girl is better than them. In other words people are too damn toxic.
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+1 yProbably because women ruin video games by complaining about too much boobs.
10 ReplyBecause many girls think those kinds of games are made for boys. If we have eSports with games targeted for female demography, we will have more and more female athletes.
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+1 yBecause women are simply not as driven to be competitive. Same why there are more men playing soccer and such.
30 ReplyTo be honest, probably due to the lack of top tier female gaming talent.
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+1 yJust because, should there be a reason
It happens that generally guys games are more that girls and that's about it, end if story10 Reply
+1 yEsports games are less popular with women on average. Eomen tend to prefer casual and mobile games, on average.
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+1 yTo be honest I don't know ant guys who have even participated in esports. Whereas I know like 4 girls who do competitive gaming regularly. The one has made a fair wad of cash from it too.
00 ReplyE-sporters have an extremely high reaction time. These reaction times are rare genes for men, but especially for women. That's one of the biggest causes I think.
20 Reply1. many don't compete
2. many aren't good enough or even reach the finals and such
3. have you seen what games girls be playing? lol10 ReplyBecause eSports are still not popularized enough among the girls, which is too bad, cause I like eSports.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yPeople tend to watch the best of people in whatever sport there is. Men, in general, beat women in tennis, soccer, volleyball, swimming, etc. So being as men are the best in most sports, more people watch men in sports.
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+1 yBecause Team Siren proved skill is the most important factor in being pro. Your race or sex is irrelevant.
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+1 yI would think it is due to. most people who play esports titles are guys. Like over 80%
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yBecause girls have better things to do with their time than getting good at gaming.
Like being fucked whenever they like at the drop of a hat easier than you can get pizza.11 Reply- +1 y
Utterly agree!
It’s a competition. You have to be good to rise to the top. Thus, they obviously aren’t as good.
10 Replybecause women would have to compete with men, and just aren't as competitive
I think there was a girl in the sc2 esports scene but that was it10 ReplyThere are fewer girls interested in it, I have never met one tbh. I know a couple that play, but usually it's just to accompany their boyfriends in a little gaming session
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+1 yWe don't need them in eSports. We'd whip their asses.
10 ReplyWomen are worse than men at everything. Even things like chess and videogames.
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+1 ySadly most people don't care about female sports and only male sports unless it's outside the US.
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+1 yThat is like saying why is there a lack of male representation in the nursing industry.
00 ReplyGaming has always been a hobby that's dominated by men, so of course that trend will stay true when we're talking about world class gamers
10 ReplyProportionally, women seem to be much smarter to not waste precious time on video games in hopes of some remote chance of making a career out of it.
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yBecause sports are Bella boring to watch or talk about. They’re only fun to play and that’s only talking about 1/4 of them.
Men like boring stuff.10 Reply
+1 yBecause gaming is predominately a male hobby. More men enjoy doing it.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yOnly geeky girls and tomboy play video games that's why. Other than that female only care about their image and sex/gossip.
Most woman dont even support the female NBA20 Reply
+1 ybecause fewer girls play videogames. specially competetively.
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+1 yBecause the women who are 'big' in eSports are awful so it makes girls look bad who wanna get in the game. Although I can say there are three that are coolio but I kinda hate 'gamer girls'
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+1 yBecause when we started calling it "eSports" they broke up with us.
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+1 yBecause they're not good at them and/or aren't interested.
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+1 ySimple answer? They have better things to do with their time.
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You're exercising your brain. Albeit, you need to actually be using your brain for the game which weeds out most time waster games like mobile games or casual ones. If you're actively trying to improve and do better than yourself and others, you're making mental progress.
Many games that take a lot of coordination and have a high skill curve and skill ceiling require a lot of practice to build certain skills. Games like chess build strategy and memory while games like Tribes and Rocket League build spacial recognition and very quick decision making.
In the middle of this response I made a connection that might not be PC but I'll say it anyway jfk. Most girls play mobile games, time waster games which aim to grab your attention for short periods and hit you like a skinner box to get you to play (and to pay) more. These often have a low skill ceiling, rather opting to make everyone a winner such that you're more lulled into a false sense of enjoyment by the skinner box. Guys on the other hand play high skill ceiling games (though guys still play low skill games too, but that market is dominated by girls). Here, guys try to best each other in play, learning new strategies and [insert other mental benefit of game]. This competition drives people (esp guys) to be the best, ergo a greater ability within one's head (if you know what I mean). If you know where I'm going, I'll let you put 2 and 2 together as its not PC toward women but definitely something that should be considered if we care about science and reality. In short, men play more mentally challenging games while women play easier to grasp kill-15-min-of-my-time games. - +1 y
@Blightly While I don't "disagree" with your premise, it doesn't seem to translate into real life productivity. For example, we don't know how many super skilled fighter pilot video players ever become real, more effective pilots in either the military or commercially. But if I follow your theory, the simple answer is "because females aren't interested that sort of competition". Now if you want to delve into "why" they aren't, that's another question !!
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Well how many real life soccer athletes become professional, making millions of dollars type of athletes? To be a fighter pilot, you need to have the skill and physical strength (esp for G forces) so I understand that. However, the military is recruiting young people who have skills using flight sticks and controllers to control drones and other autonomous units. While these may not be fighter pilots, one can't deny that their experience in games hasn't helped them achieve their position in life.
But, what I'm saying is games (challenging ones) have a mental benefit while sports have a physical benefit. I attribute a lot of my understanding of the world, geometry, physics and math to the games I grew up on which had a high skill curve. I believe people who involve themselves with games at a younger age, esp when their brain is still plastic, allows them to more easily gain a greater understanding of how the world works through geometry / physics / math / etc. (depending on the type of games a child plays, though I haven't looked into studies and am speaking from my own and friends' experiences).
As for girls who don't compete as much as guys do, I believe that comes down to biology, where guys and our testosterone want to make us be the best. We want to surpass one another, our challenges, and come out on top. Girls compete differently, they compete socially which isn't the point of most games (esp the complex games). There is certainly more to girls' perceptions / thought processes / desires / etc. that drives them toward lackadaisical time waster games, but then we need to understand what one another's brain excels in (which also touches on heterosexual vs homosexual as well oddly enough, but I can't quite remember each aspect). - +1 y
@Blightly This right here : " what I'm saying is games (challenging ones) have a mental benefit while sports have a physical benefit", is only valid to a point and more particular to amateurs who engage simply for the effects of conditioning. Any professional will tell you that their particular sport is mentally challenging as well as physically demanding, and the percentages may vary with each sport. I also don't think testosterone explains the will to compete for men, all by itself. There's a lot of social conditioning and cultural acceptance that influences a woman's desires to partake in competitions, and it varies greatly around the world. Thanks for your points !!
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I disagree. Most sports, even at a professional level, are not mentally strenuous. Sports such as football, soccer, baseball, tennis / ping pong (arguable for these two), etc. would not feature mental strain as much as pool, golf, and other less physical sports. Esports / table top sports (chess) fall into the same category as the less physical sports, but are often played at a much faster pace (with the exception of un-timed chess and the like).
Women partake in competitions, but are not as competitive as men. We have an innate will to succeed and it is seen in every animal. The males of a species protect the females and children who are not as capable of fending off predators. Due to testosterone, males of a species often grow larger and stronger. A strong influx of testosterone and adrenaline helps one overcome trials and tribulations. All signs point to high testosterone, and while culture can help minimize the success of men and prop up the success of women, this does not change biology. - +1 y
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Because you're not a doctor your opinion on medicine is invalid. I love that argument. I disagree with you. I presented you with a simplified form of the fruits of decades of research on the human body, studies of girls' and guys' behavior when it comes to society and competition, and research into various sporting events physical and not. If all of that is invalid because "none of the doctors are professional athletes and only what the athletes say matters" then our whole society was just shot in the foot.
It doesn't take a top of the league professional athlete who is also a world class grand champion chess player to assess which sport requires more mental and physical strengths. Chess is vastly more mentally strenuous while the athletic event is vastly more physically strenuous. Arguing otherwise makes absolutely no sense. - +1 y
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I used the same argument you just used against me, but in the form of a doctor and anyone's ability to make judgement calls on something they're not a licensed professional in. That should have been obvious.
If your argument really boils down to "Some professional athlete said something and that's good enough for me, screw all our science and research because the athlete said what he said"... i don't know how to express how dumbfounded I am by that. You don't have to "pour through decades of research" because I already simplified it for you. You're literally arguing against the most fundamental parts of human biology which we've thoroughly studied and oddly enough arguing against yourself. This makes no sense. Sorry, but I can't do it anymore.
Compared to men, women have very little interest in sports.
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